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King Jong-Un eh
King Jong-Un ehWe all know how arrogant he is
He needs to get a grip, we shouldn’t be going into Sheffield and Burnley with carr still in charge, it just shows poor leadershipKing Jong-Un eh
He needs to get a grip, we shouldn’t be going into Sheffield and Burnley with carr still in charge, it just shows poor leadership
So absolutely no evidence then just vitriol.We all know how arrogant he is
It should have been done over the international break ready for tomorrow, it’s ridiculous
Why does it ?He needs to get a grip, we shouldn’t be going into Sheffield and Burnley with carr still in charge, it just shows poor leadership
He did help develop Mount, I said that. I said with the exception of Bogle he didn't really develop any of Derby's own players.Lampard’s Derby team was not stronger than Villa or Leeds. On what metrics was his time in the Championship ‘woeful?’
I don’t think you’re being fair to say Lampard didn’t develop Mount (or anyone else). He came to Derby as an Eredivisie player, became a top Championship player and the season after was a key player for a UCL side. Looking at Yasin Ayari this year, are Robins and Eustace bad managers because they couldn’t get him playing well last season? Of course not.
Tactically, he was found out a few times in the Prem. Which isn’t a blot on your career of 3-4 seasons as a new manager. We’re a Championship side.
You know what, there isn’t actually a better candidate than Lampard out there atm so for the sake of the team and our club, we should all be hoping Lampard will smash it here.
100%. My worry is that is the only truly good season he has had.To be fair though Frosty he got another level of performance from them again at Chelsea the year after
How were those metrics at Chelsea first time round ?He did help develop Mount, I said that. I said with the exception of Bogle he didn't really develop any of Derby's own players.
In terms of metrics for his year at Derby being woeful:
xPts 15th
xG 19th
xG/per shot 21st
xGA 15th
There's no shame losing to Villa or Leeds but those underlying numbers are very, very worrying & clearly unsustainable for a team to consistently challenge at the top end. As I said, they were dragged into the playoffs by individual superstars playing below their true level, not due to any tactical or managerial genius. One example being Harry Wilson top scoring with 15 goals but 7 of them being from outside the penalty area, this is not repeatable stuff.
They finished 6th the previous season under Rowett as well but Lampard's team got fewer points, scored fewer goals & conceded more than Rowett's. So again, yes he has helped improve individual players (mostly for Chelsea's gain) but did he really improve Derby?
The evidence is we have gone 15 days without a manager and are now playing 2 of the best teams in the leagueSo absolutely no evidence then just vitriol.
He needs to get a grip, we shouldn’t be going into Sheffield and Burnley with carr still in charge, it just shows poor leadership
Managers are capable of improving in the same way players are. If he has learned from his past jobs and become better from the setbacks then we’d be getting a better Lampard than the rookie he was at Derby.100%. My worry is that is the only truly good season he has had.
Least it’s not Cardiff, think the forum would explodeThe evidence is we have gone 15 days without a manager and are now playing 2 of the best teams in the league
FFS
When asked at the forum why people would trust him, King said that he'd done what he said he would. Hard to argue with that.
He was asked why no one was lined up. He explained he thought it would be sh*t to go behind MR's back. Don't see the issue.
He was asked what the plan was. He explained he wanted someone in before the Jan window opens. We're on track for that.
Poor leadership is not acting. He might end up getting it wrong, but he explained why he's made his decision really clearly.
He's shown leadership and fronted up when he's made mistakes (JSB stuff etc.). He took 'a grip' by deciding to fire Robins.
Be consistent. One minute he's too involved, next minute, he needs to get a grip. Internet outrage points scoring is a Yawn.
If he gets the appt. wrong, or over a long enough period the 'deck' is weaker than he and Austin think it is, he's f*cked it.
Until then, if people are gonna have a pop at what he does or doesn't do, FFS at least try and be coherent with what you're saying.
I saw a lot of Derby in their play-off season - the Mrs is a fan - and this is 100% correct. His weird team selection for the PO final - the eternally ineffectual Mason Bennett up front - still riles Derby fans, and sums up the argument that they largely did well despite him rather than because of him - and because Mount & Tomori were 8-9/10 every week. Nothing in his subsequent career suggests he’s a good manager. We could do so much better.He did help develop Mount, I said that. I said with the exception of Bogle he didn't really develop any of Derby's own players.
In terms of metrics for his year at Derby being woeful:
xPts 15th
xG 19th
xG/per shot 21st
xGA 15th
There's no shame losing to Villa or Leeds but those underlying numbers are very, very worrying & clearly unsustainable for a team to consistently challenge at the top end. As I said, they were dragged into the playoffs by individual superstars playing below their true level, not due to any tactical or managerial genius. One example being Harry Wilson top scoring with 15 goals but 7 of them being from outside the penalty area, this is not repeatable stuff.
They finished 6th the previous season under Rowett as well but Lampard's team got fewer points, scored fewer goals & conceded more than Rowett's. So again, yes he has helped improve individual players (mostly for Chelsea's gain) but did he really improve Derby?
It’s getting boring and fucking nauseating and there’s as much if not more whinging nowadays than there was when we didn’t know what stadium we’d be playing at the following season or when we were flogging our best defender to a divisional rival for about 20p and a jar of magic beansFFS
When asked at the forum why people would trust him, King said that he'd done what he said he would. Hard to argue with that.
He was asked why no one was lined up. He explained he thought it would be sh*t to go behind MR's back. Don't see the issue.
He was asked what the plan was. He explained he wanted someone in before the Jan window opens. We're on track for that.
Poor leadership is not acting. He might end up getting it wrong, but he explained why he's made his decision really clearly.
He's shown leadership and fronted up when he's made mistakes (JSB stuff etc.). He took 'a grip' by deciding to fire Robins.
Be consistent. One minute he's too involved, next minute, he needs to get a grip. Internet outrage points scoring is a Yawn.
If he gets the appt. wrong, or over a long enough period the 'deck' is weaker than he and Austin think it is, he's f*cked it.
Until then, if people are gonna have a pop at what he does or doesn't do, FFS at least try and be coherent with what you're saying.
Managers are capable of improving in the same way players are. If he has learned from his past jobs and become better from the setbacks then we’d be getting a better Lampard than the rookie he was at Derby.
Totally agree tbf & I've often said the same about Robins & other managers in the past. I just think it's a hell of a ridiculous gamble to take based on seemingly 'vibes'.Managers are capable of improving in the same way players are. If he has learned from his past jobs and become better from the setbacks then we’d be getting a better Lampard than the rookie he was at Derby.
If we lose both games that is 6 points lost, that could have had different outcomes due to a new manager bounce.The evidence is we have gone 15 days without a manager and are now playing 2 of the best teams in the league
He did help develop Mount, I said that. I said with the exception of Bogle he didn't really develop any of Derby's own players.
In terms of metrics for his year at Derby being woeful:
xPts 15th
xG 19th
xG/per shot 21st
xGA 15th
There's no shame losing to Villa or Leeds but those underlying numbers are very, very worrying & clearly unsustainable for a team to consistently challenge at the top end. As I said, they were dragged into the playoffs by individual superstars playing below their true level, not due to any tactical or managerial genius. One example being Harry Wilson top scoring with 15 goals but 7 of them being from outside the penalty area, this is not repeatable stuff.
They finished 6th the previous season under Rowett as well but Lampard's team got fewer points, scored fewer goals & conceded more than Rowett's. So again, yes he has helped improve individual players (mostly for Chelsea's gain) but did he really improve Derby?
If we win tomorrow will you come out and say the owner has been justified to take his time?The evidence is we have gone 15 days without a manager and are now playing 2 of the best teams in the league
Finally someone else talking sense, if it does turn out to be Lampard it should have been done within the first week of the breakIf we lose both games that is 6 points lost, that could have had different outcomes due to a new manager bounce.
Not guaranteed of course, but obviously you would expect an established manager to be able to come up with a better strategy and give a better team talk and work on changes within a game than Rhys Carr (no offence to him)
Give it a rest with the loving of Doug king, I support the team not him, it won’t be his doing if we winIf we win tomorrow will you come out and say the owner has been justified to take his time?
Answer the question before you start firing tropes at meGive it a rest with the loving of Doug king, I support the team not him, it won’t be his doing if we win
Despite him blurting out at the fans" forum, "yeah, it's gonna be Lampard".Or it shows taking the time to find the right one with a strict interview process. Getting the right guy to take us forward is crucial.
sorry, you are completely missing the point.FFS
When asked at the forum why people would trust him, King said that he'd done what he said he would. Hard to argue with that.
He was asked why no one was lined up. He explained he thought it would be sh*t to go behind MR's back. Don't see the issue.
He was asked what the plan was. He explained he wanted someone in before the Jan window opens. We're on track for that.
Poor leadership is not acting. He might end up getting it wrong, but he explained why he's made his decision really clearly.
He's shown leadership and fronted up when he's made mistakes (JSB stuff etc.). He took 'a grip' by deciding to fire Robins.
Be consistent. One minute he's too involved, next minute, he needs to get a grip. Internet outrage points scoring is a Yawn.
If he gets the appt. wrong, or over a long enough period the 'deck' is weaker than he and Austin think it is, he's f*cked it.
Until then, if people are gonna have a pop at what he does or doesn't do, FFS at least try and be coherent with what you're saying.
I have mixed feelings on him and he isn’t who I’d pick. But I think he has a decent chance still of succeeding here.Totally agree tbf & I've often said the same about Robins & other managers in the past. I just think it's a hell of a ridiculous gamble to take based on seemingly 'vibes'.
Thing is even if we had an announcement it would give the place a buzz in which is going to be a challenging game for many reasonsPeople need the match to hurry up tomorrow so they have something else to talk about
Managers are capable of improving in the same way players are. If he has learned from his past jobs and become better from the setbacks then we’d be getting a better Lampard than the rookie he was at Derby.
Think Fernado said today. I’m keeping out of it after yesterdaySo who's saying there's an announcement today?
I think it'll take alot of Evatt for you to do so mateThink Fernado said today. I’m keeping out of it after yesterday
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