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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Aug 10, 2022
  • #1,856
I bloody well hope people with more influence than me are speaking to both parties to get them talking about a solution!!

Come In Andy Street!
 
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djr8369

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 10, 2022
  • #1,857
Nick said:
How can we take ownership of the pitch?

What happens if they want a concert on?

It's like saying you own a carpet in a house
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I said best case, not most likely!
 
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KenilworthSkyBlue

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 10, 2022
  • #1,858
Sky Blue Pete said:
I bloody well hope people with more influence than me are speaking to both parties to get them talking about a solution!!

Come In Andy Street!
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Does he re-lay pitches in his spare time free of charge?
 
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Sky Blue Pete

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 10, 2022
  • #1,859
KenilworthSkyBlue said:
Does he re-lay pitches in his spare time free of charge?
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How is a new pitch a solution for the next couple of months????? He is independent of both parties and may have some influence

Talk me through the options?
CCfc say pitch promised
Wasps respond we told them it wouldn’t be changed and also expect by some bloody miracle the pitch to be ok in a week and to be fine for the season

Silly bloody games when a discussion is the only way to identify potential solutions to move forward. So so frustrating
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Aug 10, 2022
  • #1,860
djr8369 said:
I said best case, not most likely!
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That would be a shite deal for us.
 
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KenilworthSkyBlue

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  • Aug 10, 2022
  • #1,861
Sky Blue Pete said:
How is a new pitch a solution for the next couple of months????? He is independent of both parties and may have some influence
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He'll have zero influence. I still think it was laughable that he was hailed as some kind of vital mediator at the time of the Ricoh return between Wasps and the Club.

The two parties came together because there was no choice. Not because of Andy Street.
 
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Sky Blue Pete

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 10, 2022
  • #1,862
KenilworthSkyBlue said:
He'll have zero influence. I still think it was laughable that he was hailed as some kind of vital mitigator at the time of the Ricoh return between Wasps and the Club.

The two parties came together because there was no choice. Not because of Andy Street.
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And you can stick to that story if you like
 
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Nick

Administrator
  • Aug 10, 2022
  • #1,863
Andy Street is out for Andy Street. The fact they have gone to him for a bail out says lot
 
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djr8369

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  • Aug 10, 2022
  • #1,864
Sick Boy said:
That would be a shite deal for us.
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I can’t see a better outcome really? Ideally you’d want wasps to fulfil their obligations and have a harmonious relationship but based on what SBB said that isn’t going to happen.
 

Grendel

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  • Aug 10, 2022
  • #1,865
Sky Blue Pete said:
I bloody well hope people with more influence than me are speaking to both parties to get them talking about a solution!!

Come In Andy Street!
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He’s a self publicist really. He’s been living with Michael Fabricant too long

It’s all beyond mediation
 
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wingy

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  • Aug 10, 2022
  • #1,866
Don't see how this will result in them becoming solvent going forward.
 

Saddlebrains

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 10, 2022
  • #1,867
Off the back of believers comments

Im preparing for us to be leaving the CBS again in the very near future
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Aug 10, 2022
  • #1,868
Nothing is beyond discussion it’s the only way anything gets resolved
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Aug 10, 2022
  • #1,869
Talk
Saddlebrains said:
Off the back of believers comments

Im preparing for us to be leaving the CBS again in the very near future
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Talk us through how that works?
 

Saddlebrains

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 10, 2022
  • #1,870
Someone on the bond site has said wasps have applied for a CVA? No idea
 

Grendel

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  • Aug 10, 2022
  • #1,871
Sky Blue Pete said:
Nothing is beyond discussion it’s the only way anything gets resolved
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If they really are raising a CVA they are at least attempting some restructure - they are not paying for anything
 

Saddlebrains

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 10, 2022
  • #1,872
Sky Blue Pete said:
Talk

Talk us through how that works?
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They dont have a pot to piss in to repair the pitch

Without a pitch we cant play
 
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KenilworthSkyBlue

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  • Aug 10, 2022
  • #1,873
djr8369 said:
I can’t see a better outcome really? Ideally you’d want wasps to fulfil their obligations and have a harmonious relationship but based on what SBB said that isn’t going to happen.
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The club shouldn't bear sole responsibility or cost of pitch maintenance when that's not what was initially agreed when the sub-lease was signed. It sets a pretty poor precedent as well.

I think if the situation can't be resolved soon then it's likely we'll be moving away from the CBS again. Especially, if Gyokeres is sold in the coming weeks as you'd think that would certainly provide the club with the means to facilitate a move away, at least for the short term.
 

Telfer85

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  • Aug 10, 2022
  • #1,874
I think wasps will get the pitch playable but it won’t be a great surface that Robins wants. They won’t want us to leave due to loss of income and the efl won’t let us leave again whilst there is a playable pitch at the cbs. Is Andy Carroll still available?? Hooooooof
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Aug 10, 2022
  • #1,875
Anyone have any idea of a solution
 

Grendel

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  • Aug 10, 2022
  • #1,876
Saddlebrains said:
They dont have a pot to piss in to repair the pitch

Without a pitch we cant play
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Also id guess other duties regarding basic maintenance
 
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Nick

Administrator
  • Aug 10, 2022
  • #1,877
Sky Blue Pete said:
Anyone have any idea of a solution
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Yes. All the councillors who said it was amazing move should stand in broadgatr to explain
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Aug 10, 2022
  • #1,878
Could we pay for a pitch? Possibly
Would efl allow us to? They’ve been very accommodating so maybe but not certain
Can we move to another ground this season? Unlikely surely these things take time
Will the pitch be playable by next Tuesday? Unlikely
 
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rexo87

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  • Aug 10, 2022
  • #1,879
Sky Blue Pete said:
Could we pay for a pitch? Possibly
Would efl allow us to? They’ve been very accommodating so maybe but not certain
Can we move to another ground this season? Unlikely surely these things take time
Will the pitch be playable by next Tuesday? Unlikely
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Could we pay for a pitch - no
Would efl allow - yes
Can we move mid season - yes
Will the pitch be fit next week - yes

Sent from my SM-G991B using Tapatalk
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Aug 10, 2022
  • #1,880
rexo87 said:
Could we pay for a pitch - no
Would efl allow - yes
Can we move mid season - yes
Will the pitch be fit next week - yes

Sent from my SM-G991B using Tapatalk
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Liking the optimism is it based on facts . How does one comprehend the upheaval of 13200 season ticket holders being accommodated or refunded?
 

David O'Day

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  • Aug 10, 2022
  • #1,881
Sky Blue Pete said:
Liking the optimism is it based on facts . How does one comprehend the upheaval of 13200 season ticket holders being accommodated or refunded?
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pitch likely to be playable, shit but not dangerouse
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Aug 10, 2022
  • #1,882
David O'Day said:
pitch likely to be playable, shit but not dangerouse
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Well then no need to move and we just need to get an agreement on pitch maintenance
 
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rexo87

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  • Aug 10, 2022
  • #1,883
Sky Blue Pete said:
Liking the optimism is it based on facts . How does one comprehend the upheaval of 13200 season ticket holders being accommodated or refunded?
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Just predictions really. Can't see the pitch being deemed unplayable by the EFL next Tuesday. Robins may not be happy but surely it'll be on

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Colin Steins Smile

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  • Aug 10, 2022
  • #1,884
Grendel said:
If they really are raising a CVA they are at least attempting some restructure - they are not paying for anything
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I think they'll find it difficult as my understanding of a CVA is they'll need 75% of bond holders to agree. If one of the major bond holders decide they are more likely to reduce their loses by putting Wasps into liquidation and regaining some value from the sale of the stadium.
Currently, their business model has spectacularly failed and there doesn't seem to be a plan B being promoted or looking credible.
 
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Grendel

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  • Aug 10, 2022
  • #1,885
Sky Blue Pete said:
Well then no need to move and we just need to get an agreement on pitch maintenance
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They won’t maintain it
 

Flying Fokker

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 10, 2022
  • #1,886
MalcSB said:
From bondholders forum

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coley88

10 Aug '22 - 14:05 - 791 of 792
0 0 0
We should all get together and foreclose - Anyone have the contact details of the Bond Trustee
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bigfish1
10 Aug '22 - 16:05 - 792 of 792
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Laurence Griffiths
laurence.griffiths@usbank.com
cc. CDRM@usbank.com
cc. chris.hobbs@usbank.com

US Bank Trustees Limited (in its capacity as Issuer Security Trustee) 125 Old Broad Street London EC2N 1AR

Actually as it turns out, we may all need to go through our brokers as most of us are actually 'beneficial owners' and not legal owners. Our bonds are held for us in trust by the broker.

Just to be clear, Wasps Finance and Wasps Hodings are insolvent, we know this because they have defaulted on the bond. The consent solicitation is a CVA (Company voluntary arrangements) whereby an insolvent company seeks to reach an agreement with its creditors to prevent itslef having to go into liquidation. As we know, it requires 75% of bondholders to agree to any arrangement. We all need to get in contact with our brokers and make sure they keep us informed and know our wishes. Personally, unless they come up with a very convincing plan for repayment in a fairly short space of time, I am for selling the arena/liquidation. The amount of money they have lost, since well before the pandemic is astonishing. They also have added a further 20 million loan from Derek Richardson and sold a stake (what stake?) to CVC for 12.5 million. It's all vanished, there's nothing left. Except the stadium, whatever that's worth.

Wasp Bondholders Facebook Group: https://www.-1358371174688144
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Ha ha ha ha ha..,,fucking ha
 
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Colin Steins Smile

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  • Aug 10, 2022
  • #1,887
Flying Fokker said:
Ha ha ha ha ha..,,fucking ha
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Exactly - this could lead to contagion of holders looking to cut their loses by seeking liquidation
 

Sky Blue Pete

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 10, 2022
  • #1,888
Grendel said:
They won’t maintain it
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And …
 

NortonSkyBlue

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 10, 2022
  • #1,889
Saddlebrains said:
Off the back of believers comments

Im preparing for us to be leaving the CBS again in the very near future
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Where are we going?
 
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thekidfromstrettoncamp

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  • Aug 10, 2022
  • #1,890
Sky Blue Pete said:
Liking the optimism is it based on facts . How does one comprehend the upheaval of 13200 season ticket holders being accommodated or refunded?
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How many do you think will ask for refunding out of that 13200 .I would be 1 and think I would be in the majority group .No way is that an option due to our "financial postion".
 
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