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Ashdown · Aug 7, 2022

SISU will have this in the bag I’m sure. If it hasn’t already happened a team of accountants and lawyers will be drawing up the potential financial damages to CCFC for missed revenue and breach of contract etc
Wasps have royally fucked up here…..but I have a feeling that our owners have known they would for a while and will now go all out to press them for compensation they clearly can’t afford to pay……and so we go again.
This would all be fine by me if it got rid of Wasps and CCFC gained exclusivity to the Arena built for them but this is SISU we are talking about and after protracted legal action for months/ years only they will benefit surely.

Tommo1993 · Aug 7, 2022

slowpoke said:
Not an expert but how long does it take to lay a pitch working day and night.

I’m waiting on a text back from Alan Titchmarsh. But I would guess reversing fixtures for now would be just as likely as having an adequate pitch before the Huddersfield game.

Grendel · Aug 7, 2022

Ashdown said:
SISU will have this in the bag I’m sure. If it hasn’t already happened a team of accountants and lawyers will be drawing up the potential financial damages to CCFC for missed revenue and breach of contract etc
Wasps have royally fucked up here…..but I have a feeling that our owners have known they would for a while and will now go all out to press them for compensation they clearly can’t afford to pay……and so we go again.
This would all be fine by me if it got rid of Wasps and CCFC gained exclusivity to the Arena built for them but this is SISU we are talking about and after protracted legal action for months/ years only they will benefit surely.

Do you honestly think we can make the stadium work when everyone else has failed?

Also I don’t see the rugby club being liquidated and they have a 50 year sun lease on the stadium

GaryJones · Aug 7, 2022

lifeskyblue said:
So today off. But realistically how quickly can an unsafe pitch be transformed into a safe one? Are we going to have a month of cancelled home fixtures? The club and efl need to get a joint statement out asap informing fans of an expected timeline.

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I’ve pulled this off the official FA Guide to Professional Football Pitches.
Depending on which way you read it I think it looks like 9 weeks for a new pitch to be playable or 4 days for repairs of existing pitch to be playable.

Renovation
There was a time when the renovation of a pitch was confined to the close season. With many clubs now running various forms of youth set ups and staging other events grounds staff are now finding pitches are required most of the year. This has created problems when scheduling close season works.
Most pitches need at least nine weeks to recover and for new swards to mature ready for play.
Clubs that have youth set ups really need to have a minimum of eight pitches to allow the groundsmen to rotate the pitches. This rotation system can allow pitches to be taken out of use during the close season and be renovated.
With todays equipment renovation time can be shortened to 3 to 4 days and the choice of equipment, that is available to the groundsmen has never been so good.

Ashdown · Aug 7, 2022

Grendel said:
Do you honestly think we can make the stadium work when everyone else has failed?

Also I don’t see the rugby club being liquidated and they have a 50 year sun lease on the stadium

Most upgrading of facilities has been carried out recently ? One club all revenue ? New owners required though to maximise all potential? Owners who are investors and not looking to turn a vast profit could succeed?

Grendel · Aug 7, 2022

Ashdown said:
Most upgrading of facilities has been carried out recently ? One club all revenue ? New owners required though to maximise all potential? Owners who are investors and not looking to turn a vast profit could succeed?

I’ve always said the stadium is a white elephant - it’s a loss making disaster in a rubbish location with no parking availability

pusbccfc · Aug 7, 2022

marcusp said:
There is a photo of the pitch a few days before the cwg games started and it looks maculate. Fast forward a few weeks to the shit show we have now

It looks good but doesn't mean it's great.

Often last season the pitch looked amazing from the pictures before the game but the ball couldn't roll properly on it.

It also proves that the pitch would have deteriorated within a month or so of football.

pusbccfc · Aug 7, 2022

Grendel said:
I’ve always said the stadium is a white elephant - it’s a loss making disaster in a rubbish location with no parking availability

We'd need to rely on a new train/team line. If that was ever sorted, it could compete with other large concert halls.

You say it's a white elephant, but within 15 years it's been an Olympic, Commonwealth and soon Rugby League World Cup venue. It's also been a go to for stadium sized gigs in the Midlands ahead of the likes of Birmingham, Wolverhampton, Nottingham and Leicester.

Greggs · Aug 7, 2022

Grendel said:
I’ve always said the stadium is a white elephant - it’s a loss making disaster in a rubbish location with no parking availability

How many football matches have you been to where parking is easy? Also, what are those huge tarmac areas opposite the stadium?

Grendel · Aug 7, 2022

pusbccfc said:
We'd need to rely on a new train/team line. If that was ever sorted, it could compete with other large concert halls.

You say it's a white elephant, but within 15 years it's been an Olympic, Commonwealth and soon Rugby League World Cup venue. It's also been a go to for stadium sized gigs in the Midlands ahead of the likes of Birmingham, Wolverhampton, Nottingham and Leicester.

Those are loss leaders - sports clubs don’t run hotels casinos concert halls

Concerts make hardly any money, the exhibition hall is small time versus the NEC - the last place you’d locate a complex like this is 15 minutes from the biggest and better rival

slowpoke · Aug 7, 2022

Although I basically agree with you there is potential for it to atleast break even, I often drive by and the car parks can be chocker but as you say it was never going to be the goldmine Bryan Richardson was boasting.

Otis · Aug 7, 2022

Grendel said:
It was only seeded after the concert so it was always going to be in a poor condition

I think quite a few got seeded after that concert to be honest. It was a wild night.

Grendel · Aug 7, 2022

Greggs said:
How many football matches have you been to where parking is easy? Also, what are those huge tarmac areas opposite the stadium?

Those huge tarmac areas are £230 a go - grounds near city centres are easy as you park in the centre and walk.

there is a huge radius around it that is restricted parking - if the club were allowed to extend the original ground it’s a 15 minute walk to the car parks in the City

oldfiver · Aug 7, 2022

Grendel said:
Do you honestly think we can make the stadium work when everyone else has failed?

Also I don’t see the rugby club being liquidated and they have a 50 year sun lease on the stadium

The "rugby club" is Wasps Holdings?

oldfiver · Aug 7, 2022

Otis said:
I think quite a few got seeded after that concert to be honest. It was a wild night.

It needs more than just seeding. When did that pitch last see water?

Sick Boy · Aug 7, 2022

Grendel said:
Those huge tarmac areas are £230 a go - grounds near city centres are easy as you park in the centre and walk.

there is a huge radius around it that is restricted parking - if the club were allowed to extend the original ground it’s a 15 minute walk to the car parks in the City

It wouldn’t be such an issue if there was a proper train service with a train every 10 minutes to the arena.

Grendel · Aug 7, 2022

oldfiver said:
The "rugby club" is Wasps Holdings?

OSB says there is a separate 50 year sub lease?

Deleted member 2477 · Aug 7, 2022

£230 for 23 games enabling you to park right next to the stadium is pretty good value At £10 per game.
The only parking in the town Ctr is now pay and display with most car parks in the town charging £2 an hour or more

Grendel · Aug 7, 2022

marcusp said:
£230 for 23 games enabling you to park right next to the stadium is pretty good value At £10 per game.
The only parking in the town Ctr is now pay and display with most car parks in the town charging £2 an hour or more

there is one other problem - they are all sold out as they have very limited availability and other then C block you in for over an hour

Tommo1993 · Aug 7, 2022

Car parks weren’t sold out as quickly as the website suggested - like a few other things to do with this club, the system is dog shit.

Brylowes · Aug 7, 2022

Ashdown said:
SISU will have this in the bag I’m sure. If it hasn’t already happened a team of accountants and lawyers will be drawing up the potential financial damages to CCFC for missed revenue and breach of contract etc
Wasps have royally fucked up here…..but I have a feeling that our owners have known they would for a while and will now go all out to press them for compensation they clearly can’t afford to pay……and so we go again.
This would all be fine by me if it got rid of Wasps and CCFC gained exclusivity to the Arena built for them but this is SISU we are talking about and after protracted legal action for months/ years only they will benefit surely.

I agree with most of that, but i think this situation could well get rid of MR before wasps.

oldfiver · Aug 7, 2022

Grendel said:
OSB says there is a separate 50 year sub lease?

To Holdings? I don't think the "Rugby Club" as a single entity exists - but dunno

oldfiver · Aug 7, 2022

Who Owns Wasps Rugby? (Explained) – Rugby Dome

rugbydome.com

Bit out of date but seems to imply the ",Rugby Club" is owned by Wasps Holdings

COVKIDSNEVERQUIT · Aug 7, 2022

Grendel said:
I guess once the new ground is built - I think planning permission was 3 years away when it was announced - so guess it’s being finalised soon - we will be in charge of our own destiny

it’s happening isn’t it?

Yeah if you believe in fairies.

MalcSB · Aug 7, 2022

oldfiver said:
Who Owns Wasps Rugby? (Explained) – Rugby Dome

rugbydome.com

Bit out of date but seems to imply the ",Rugby Club" is owned by Wasps Holdings

It is

jeycov · Aug 7, 2022

Sick Boy said:
It wouldn’t be such an issue if there was a proper train service with a train every 10 minutes to the arena.

Or official shuttle buses organised from different sites around the city
Other clubs seem to organise these , ( it used to happen a while back. )
A small charge for fans to park and ride, some income for the sites involved
Eg NAC at Stoneleigh, industrial sites with spaces, Bayton road?, other smaller locations not in use at weekends

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Nick · Aug 7, 2022

Just coincidence the Sky Blue Trust have started tweeting?

HuckerbyDublinWhelan · Aug 7, 2022

Nick said:
Just coincidence the Sky Blue Trust have started tweeting?

Weirdly on the clubs side…. I’m surprised they haven’t somehow blamed the club for this one

fernandopartridge · Aug 7, 2022

pusbccfc said:
We'd need to rely on a new train/team line. If that was ever sorted, it could compete with other large concert halls.

You say it's a white elephant, but within 15 years it's been an Olympic, Commonwealth and soon Rugby League World Cup venue. It's also been a go to for stadium sized gigs in the Midlands ahead of the likes of Birmingham, Wolverhampton, Nottingham and Leicester.

Yet despite all that it has never made sustainable profit, you could argue that it has never been unecumbered with debt but then again it's not been invested in either

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Nick · Aug 7, 2022

60 tonnes of sand on it. Hardly going to be safe.

Not even good enough for League 2.

Vaughn promised a pitch was going to be laid, it wasn't.

Will be seeking compensation.

Deleted member 5849 · Aug 7, 2022

Grendel said:
Do you honestly think we can make the stadium work when everyone else has failed?

Also I don’t see the rugby club being liquidated and they have a 50 year sun lease on the stadium

At some point somebody will indeed get it either unencumbered or close to. In that respect, Seppala's demands from back in the day do seem to have been right.

no_loyalty · Aug 7, 2022

Sick Boy said:
It wouldn’t be such an issue if there was a proper train service with a train every 10 minutes to the arena.

If they did the same they do at Brighton with the free train within a 10 mile radius for season/match ticket holders, that would be ideal.

procdoc · Aug 7, 2022

I am still fuming today. It’s a complete shit show. The Arena could be a success if it weren’t being run by complete and utter imbeciles.

SlowerThanPlatt · Aug 7, 2022

Nick said:
60 tonnes of sand on it. Hardly going to be safe.

Not even good enough for League 2.

Vaughn promised a pitch was going to be laid, it wasn't.

Will be seeking compensation.

And already written the Bristol City game off.

fernandopartridge · Aug 7, 2022

Deleted member 5849 said:
At some point somebody will indeed get it either unencumbered or close to. In that respect, Seppala's demands from back in the day do seem to have been right.

The problem is now that it won't be encumbered with financial debt but delapidation debt

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