Carsley signs up for CCFC (1 Viewer)

TheRoyalScam · Jul 22, 2011

Excellent news: http://www.ccfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10269~2399502,00.html?

I've always liked Lee Carsley.

gouldberg · Jul 22, 2011

At least if we have an injury crisis we can have him dust off his boots.

Good to see he's staying on. I would have loved to see Marcus Hall get a role like this.

The Reverend Skyblue · Jul 22, 2011

Great appointment, and the big word on the appointment description is "respect".Wether you liked him as a player or not, the young lads will have nothing but respect for him and what he has achieved as a player.
I really like this appointment and i'm sure Carsley will do a good job and work his way up to other levels within the club,if and when he wanted too. :claping hands:

The Rev

Disorganised1 · Jul 22, 2011

~Totally agree - sort of figure the kids can look up, and he can talk to them having done it.

The CableGuy · Jul 22, 2011

That's the best CCFC-related news I've read in a good while. :claping hands:

Pigeon · Jul 22, 2011

That's brilliant news. We've got a good bunch of youngsters so I'm happy to see they've got a great role model showing them how its done.

skybluelee · Jul 22, 2011

Very shrewd appointment, excellent news. Amazed we managed to do this actually.

Lets all sing together · Jul 22, 2011

I'd like to throw my thoughts into the mix if I may....

We are one of the only countrys in the world were under 14s' play on a full size pitch
Anyone watch the under 21s' earlier in the summer ? awfull - and Stuart Pearces' style - his tactics and the way he sets the team out is not the way to play.

So what I'm trying to say is that youth development in this country is wrong - and explains why England are crap.

Lee Carsley might be a decent bloke and command respect - but guys - Do we want him in coaching our future prospects ? He's a tough tackling midfielder - I'd rather have seen someone known for his skill.

Hope I make sense what i'm getting at.

ccfctommy · Jul 22, 2011

I agree with the last post, and that complete muppet 'Sir' Trevor Brooking likes Pearce and dosen't do enough about it IMO. It all goes down to grass roots, all the parents shouting at the kids from the touchline...watching england in the U21 tounament depressed me.

Although, Carsley is a tough tackling midfielder, I agree with his appointment, it doesent necessarily mean he will encourage our kids to play hoofball. Remember, Thorn has said he wants the first team al the way down to the academy to play the same way

CovScott88 · Jul 22, 2011

I actually think that he will turn out to be a very shrewd appointment. Though FYI, he has said that it's solely a coaching capacity and that he's hung up his boots.
AT may ask him to sign up in case we are really stretched though I guess. It's a possibility.

Cov City Daytrader 87 · Jul 22, 2011

Welcome Lee (in a coaching capacity, that is).:claping hands:

sw88 · Jul 22, 2011

Really good appointment (as apposed to 'signing'). Isnt his lad in our academy??

musicmanskyblue · Jul 22, 2011

I agree something needs to change with regard to the type of young English players and how they are coached in this country. I think we put far too much emphasis on athleticism and strength and not enough on skill.

I guess time will tell if Lee Carsley will prove to be a good coach or not. i think he will do well. I have heard say that he is a "players player" He was more often praised and noticed for being a good player by fellow professionals, rather than being a crowd pleaser. I think that type of acclaim bodes well for a role in bringing on young players.

rob9872 · Jul 22, 2011

Understands the club and commands respect. Leads his life the right way and will be good around the training ground. No idea of his coaching capabilities, but a terrific role model and a very positive appointment.

Nonleagueherewecome · Jul 22, 2011

Great news, welcome back Lee! A big off-the-pitch influence and a great role model.

I'll be honest though, if he doesn't get his boots on at some stage I'll be amazed. Decent backup at the very least and an old head given our squad, even though I understand why he doesn't want to do that.

Kuklinski · Jul 22, 2011

Prepare for a load of very average youngsters who say the right things in an effort to have a career at the game if Carsley is their example. An average player at best. Most passes went sideways or backwards, but at least he clenched his fist and kissed the shirt from time to time. Oh how easily people are pleased. 

ccfc_Tom · Jul 23, 2011

Good appointment bags of experience and an emergency back up player if needs be

procdoc · Jul 23, 2011

Kuklinski said:
Prepare for a load of very average youngsters who say the right things in an effort to have a career at the game if Carsley is their example. An average player at best. Most passes went sideways or backwards, but at least he clenched his fist and kissed the shirt from time to time. Oh how easily people are pleased. 

you are a clueless twat

Kuklinski · Jul 23, 2011

procdoc said:
you are a clueless twat

A wonderfully thought out response. We mustn't have a different opinion to the rest of the sheep, baa.

procdoc · Jul 23, 2011

Kuklinski said:
A wonderfully thought out response. We mustn't have a different opinion to the rest of the sheep, baa.

I've never seen such a rubbish opinion though

Covstu · Jul 23, 2011

FFS give him a chance before shooting him down!!!!

fanta80 · Jul 23, 2011

Kuklinski said:
Prepare for a load of very average youngsters who say the right things in an effort to have a career at the game if Carsley is their example. An average player at best. Most passes went sideways or backwards, but at least he clenched his fist and kissed the shirt from time to time. Oh how easily people are pleased. 

Do Everto always pay millions for players with no ability? He was a hardworking, good tackler, good leader and in my opinion a good player also. Clearly you wear some special brand of glasses that distort whats actually happening on a football and instead opt for your own clueless opinion.

The Reverend Skyblue · Jul 23, 2011

We must let kuklinski have his opinion ,if we agree or not ,i don't in this case,but we should'nt slam him with expletives just for voicing how he feels.This is a forum and like Kuklinski says it would get awfully boring if we always agreed with each other.What we should do though is stick together.

The Rev

Kuklinski · Jul 23, 2011

procdoc said:
I've never seen such a rubbish opinion though

That's slightly better. You are entitled to disagree my friend, as I do on this occasion with you.

My opinion is based on the fact he played 71 games for us, the majority were in the season we went down, whereby he somehow won many plaudits for being at best - average. Last season he continued as I expected - average, until injury. I struggle to see how he is so hero worshipped based on his time at CCFC? But the fact a player of his limited ability is so well regarded, perhaps this could explain the reason the club is now in the position it finds itself.

Kuklinski · Jul 23, 2011

fanta80 said:
Do Everto always pay millions for players with no ability? He was a hardworking, good tackler, good leader and in my opinion a good player also. Clearly you wear some special brand of glasses that distort whats actually happening on a football and instead opt for your own clueless opinion.

So because I refuse to sheeplike follow the majority opinion I am clueless? I'd rather be frowned upon by those not brave enough to walk against the crowd. There's safety in the herd but never enlightenment or individualism. Baa.

Nonleagueherewecome · Jul 23, 2011

Kuklinski said:
That's slightly better. You are entitled to disagree my friend, as I do on this occasion with you.

My opinion is based on the fact he played 71 games for us, the majority were in the season we went down, whereby he somehow won many plaudits for being at best - average. Last season he continued as I expected - average, until injury. I struggle to see how he is so hero worshipped based on his time at CCFC? But the fact a player of his limited ability is so well regarded, perhaps this could explain the reason the club is now in the position it finds itself.

I don't think he's hero worshipped, TBF. He's respected for being an incredibly hardworking midfielder who always went in for tackles he had no right to win and in his prime covered as many miles in a game as any Prem CM. A good old-fasioned "Dogs of War" type player. Like Doyle, only about 50 times better.

He also came back to the club with "unfinished business", and when we were on song last season he was rightly cited as a principle reason for that. Our form soon went when he was injured. Early-season it ws him mopping up every loose ball going that threatened our defence.Sure he was over the hill, but having a leader around them for a change was getting an extra 25% out of some players. Ask Ben Turner what Lee Carsley did for his game.

His best spell for us was actually after relegation, when we had our strongest squad since relegation and went the closest we ever had to getting back. Lee Carsley was one of the best players in that side (alongside the likes of David Thompson), an absolute class above. I remember him fondly for that spell. And he was then sold by the club as he was too good for us to be able to keep.

As for blaming the fact that a few people welcome a role-model and proven leader as a coach for "the reason the club is now in the position it finds itself"....what?!? Now that's a poor opinion!

Kuklinski · Jul 23, 2011

That's part of the problem, and another reason we find ourselves in this slow and painful decline; our supporters continually rating players who "work hard" and "cover the miles". Maybe that's where Arsenal are getting it so wrong? 

As for his "unfinished business" remark, he obviously wouldn't be saying things the fans want to hear would he? If he felt so strongly about his "unfinished business" maybe he could gave stayed here in the 1st place??

It's all opinion on regard to him being one of our best players after relegation, however, if he was, is it any surprise we are in the position we find ourselves now?

I wouldn't expect your average CCFC fan to understand where I'm coming from when I apportion a fair bit of blame at them for where the club now finds itself, because nobody likes to think they are wrong. But if players like Carsley are so enthusiastically welcomed back, what does it say for the standard of player we have had this past decade or so?

Nonleagueherewecome · Jul 23, 2011

Well Carlton Palmer was crap, but so was Gary McAllister for us until he had Carlton to do all his dirty work for him! I assume you subscribe to the Ossie Ardiles school of management. And he did so well!

It's pretty insulting to be patronised in this way, and with some very immature observations on your part as central planks to your "argument"; but I'll take solace from the fact that you're also indirectly mocking David Moyes and pretty much every other decent manager in the past 30 years. Y'see, they understand that a team needs ballance. A team full of Ginolas and Hadjis might look great, but they'd lose most weeks. And who would you want teaching youngsters the game (say a young Kevin Thornton)-a model pro like Carsley, or a skilled idiot like Gazza or Ronaldo?

Nonleagueherewecome · Jul 23, 2011

And you might want to ask Roy Keane how many medals he has.

im-confused · Jul 23, 2011

Purdoc, everyone is entitled to an opinion, and no one's opinion can be branded as wrong unless stated as fact. Just because someone's opinion is different from yours doesn't mean they're a clueless twat but actually emplies that you're a self centred, ego maniac c**t.

The Reverend Skyblue · Jul 23, 2011

I would just like to say that everyone who supports Cov, like all of us on here,and who spends his hard earned money on going to see them,that we must respect there opinions, as in the end we all want the same, and resorting to gutter language helps no-one.We must not put pressure on people who want to say something negative about the skyblues not coming forward expessing themselves.
I have some negative thoughts about Cov that i have in the past posted,like most of us,i think i'm much more positive than negative,but in the end Cov is such a major part of all our lives that we must be honest with each other, knowing deep down that we are all in this boat together.
We must allow free speech without being put down as anti-skyblue if our opinions differ.

The Rev

Johnnythespider · Jul 23, 2011

For what it's worth Pep Guardiola was a defensive midfielder in his playing days.

Lets all sing together said:
I'd like to throw my thoughts into the mix if I may....

We are one of the only countrys in the world were under 14s' play on a full size pitch
Anyone watch the under 21s' earlier in the summer ? awfull - and Stuart Pearces' style - his tactics and the way he sets the team out is not the way to play.

So what I'm trying to say is that youth development in this country is wrong - and explains why England are crap.

Lee Carsley might be a decent bloke and command respect - but guys - Do we want him in coaching our future prospects ? He's a tough tackling midfielder - I'd rather have seen someone known for his skill.

Hope I make sense what i'm getting at.

Lets all sing together · Jul 23, 2011

How much is the game changing ? Kick into row z , take him out, brake his legs ....

those days are finished...

we are asking someone from those days - to coach our future.

Kuklinski · Jul 24, 2011

Nonleagueherewecome said:
Well Carlton Palmer was crap, but so was Gary McAllister for us until he had Carlton to do all his dirty work for him! I assume you subscribe to the Ossie Ardiles school of management. And he did so well!

Carlton Palmer was not crap, and neither was McAllister. To say Palmer was crap actually highlights your lack of football knowledge. McAllister suffered from being surrounded by a poor standard of player. Typical City fans mind, they couldn't accept the reality of the players alongside McAllister, no, they boo McAllister instead.:thinking about:

As for Ardiles, please don't assume anything for me because you are way off the mark. Great player, but not a very good manager

Nonleagueherewecome said:
It's pretty insulting to be patronised in this way, and with some very immature observations on your part as central planks to your "argument"; but I'll take solace from the fact that you're also indirectly mocking David Moyes and pretty much every other decent manager in the past 30 years.

I'm not indirectly mocking David Moyes, that will be you assuming again, just as you arrogantly assume I'm mocking "pretty much every other decent manager in the past 30 years". I'd love you to explain to me how because I don't rate a "yes man" like Carsley, that translates into my not rating these decent managers?? Who are these managers I supposedly don't rate? You're assumptions don't do you any favours, in fact they weaken whatever point it is you're trying to make because they have no validity whatsoever. You are using your assumptions to bolster a point, nothing patronising about that though eh?

Nonleagueherewecome said:
Y'see, they understand that a team needs ballance. A team full of Ginolas and Hadjis might look great, but they'd lose most weeks. And who would you want teaching youngsters the game (say a young Kevin Thornton)-a model pro like Carsley, or a skilled idiot like Gazza or Ronaldo?

The fact that Gazza is an idiot, doesn't make Carsley a good coach, anymore than Gazza being a great footballer doesn't make the players he coaches great footballers. I will judge Carsley on what I see, as a footballer I thought he was average, I believe he achieved way more than his ability warranted, and our supporters make the mistake of hero worshipping him on the basis of him saying the right things in the media and "putting the miles in" on a football field. Am I right? Am I wrong? Neither, it's just my opinion.

Nonleagueherewecome said:
And you might want to ask Roy Keane how many medals he has.

And your point is??

hamil99 · Jul 24, 2011

Nonleagueherewecome said:
Well Carlton Palmer was crap, but so was Gary McAllister for us until he had Carlton to do all his dirty work for him! I assume you subscribe to the Ossie Ardiles school of management. And he did so well!

It's pretty insulting to be patronised in this way, and with some very immature observations on your part as central planks to your "argument"; but I'll take solace from the fact that you're also indirectly mocking David Moyes and pretty much every other decent manager in the past 30 years. Y'see, they understand that a team needs ballance. A team full of Ginolas and Hadjis might look great, but they'd lose most weeks. And who would you want teaching youngsters the game (say a young Kevin Thornton)-a model pro like Carsley, or a skilled idiot like Gazza or Ronaldo?

Fully agree, mentality is key! In fact, except for Mo Konjic I can't think of a player I wud want back at the club coaching more than carsley!

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