Evo1883
Well-Known Member
There's no sides ffs
There's no sides ffsBoth sides are guilty of double-standards.
The guys got a 50% win percentage since coming to the club and has taken us from just outside of the relegation to the brink of the playoffs.Both sides?!
I'd like to hear your working out on that.
I wasn’t the one who suggested there were.There's no sides ffs
Can we split those three periods into Collins - Dovin - Collins?Generally there were some very dramatic people on here saying we were in a relationship battle when we were 7 points off 6th and all the stats had us as one of the best teams in the division that couldn't take its chances .
Thats neither here nor there
Under lampard weve had 3 periods
His initial period where before the good run we took 12 points from 9 games which was fine for a new man , then we proceeded to win 10 from the next 12 which was amazing and we got ourselves into an amazing spot .
We were left with 11 games where we had some very very favourable fixtures and instead of making it easy weve gone back to early lampard form and have picked up 13 points from 10 games.
The purple patch is not the norm
This response is to the wrong person btw , was supposed to be for @Lamps
Why not?
Assume the Top 3 are the relegated teams, who is better placed than us to be in and around that Top 4?
The home form since he arrived is not a purple patch unless you consider November-April a short time. Things picked up results wise on the road, they’ve since tailed off and that’s what’s behind the overall drop in form.Generally there were some very dramatic people on here saying we were in a relationship battle when we were 7 points off 6th and all the stats had us as one of the best teams in the division that couldn't take its chances .
Thats neither here nor there
Under lampard weve had 3 periods
His initial period where before the good run we took 12 points from 9 games which was fine for a new man , then we proceeded to win 10 from the next 12 which was amazing and we got ourselves into an amazing spot .
We were left with 11 games where we had some very very favourable fixtures and instead of making it easy weve gone back to early lampard form and have picked up 13 points from 10 games.
The purple patch is not the norm
This response is to the wrong person btw , was supposed to be for @Lamps
Can we split those three periods into Collins - Dovin - Collins?
The home form since he arrived is not a purple patch unless you consider November-April a short time. Things picked up results wise on the road, they’ve since tailed off and that’s what’s behind the overall drop in form.
At home it’s held up.
And I was one of the most vocal in support of RobinsGenerally there were some very dramatic people on here saying we were in a relationship battle when we were 7 points off 6th and all the stats had us as one of the best teams in the division that couldn't take its chances .
Thats neither here nor there
Under lampard weve had 3 periods
His initial period where before the good run we took 12 points from 9 games which was fine for a new man , then we proceeded to win 10 from the next 12 which was amazing and we got ourselves into an amazing spot .
We were left with 11 games where we had some very very favourable fixtures and instead of making it easy weve gone back to early lampard form and have picked up 13 points from 10 games.
The purple patch is not the norm
This response is to the wrong person btw , was supposed to be for @Lamps
Why not?
Assume the Top 3 are the relegated teams, who is better placed than us to be in and around that Top 4?
That's why people like the Championship i suppose.Birmingham, Wrexham, Sunderland, one of the other 5-10th crew like Millwall or Boro has a decent season. Well be one of about 8-10 teams fighting over three spots.
And I was one of the most vocal in support of Robins
So it means nothing that we were 2 points out of the bottom 3 but are now in the top 6 with 1 game to go after losing our best players through injury?
The guys got a 50% win percentage since coming to the club and has taken us from just outside of the relegation to the brink of the playoffs.
I’m also pretty sure there was a post describing how Robins had done a good job at Stoke so far, despite them still being in a position where they could go down still.
That's why people like the Championship i suppose.
Yeh i completely agree, Kings ambition of regularly finishing in the play offs and i suppose eventually hoping to 'fluke' one is bang on imo. It's a good ambition to have and more than we've had for Christ knows how long.Definitely, but its also why any one outside the parachute payment mob shouldn't be getting too over excited about making top 4
Generally there were some very dramatic people on here saying we were in a relationship battle when we were 7 points off 6th and all the stats had us as one of the best teams in the division that couldn't take its chances .
Thats neither here nor there
Under lampard weve had 3 periods
His initial period where before the good run we took 12 points from 9 games which was fine for a new man , then we proceeded to win 10 from the next 12 which was amazing and we got ourselves into an amazing spot .
We were left with 11 games where we had some very very favourable fixtures and instead of making it easy weve gone back to early lampard form and have picked up 13 points from 10 games.
The purple patch is not the norm
Yeh i completely agree, Kings ambition of regularly finishing in the play offs and i suppose eventually hoping to 'fluke' one is bang on imo. It's a good ambition to have and more than we've had for Christ knows how long.
I agree. Anything beyond that, in mmy opinion, is unreasonable
How do you define favourable though?
A simple look at the league table doesn’t do it much justice. Looking at the form table, Derby, Luton and Plymouth are 6-9th and had stronger home records than their league position and we played Sunderland, Sheff U and Burnley.
For example, many people were anxious about playing Sunderland because they’re 4th. Looking at the form table, WBA and Sunderland were our ‘easiest’ games based on their overall (and away) form and our home form. Boro are level with us (and Hull) in the form table and behind Pompey, Derby, Plymouth, Stoke and Luton.
To demonstrate, Luton played Bristol, Boro, Blackburn and ourselves since March and only lost v Blackburn. Plymouth won their home games v Norwich, Sheff U and ourselves. It’s an odd time of the season.
Likewise, when we won 10 out of 12 games we were fortunate to be playing teams above us at home and teams generally on a downward trajectory of form. Momentum is particularly important in the championship because the games come quick and fast.
I haven't said I wouldn't see it as a failure. Lampard has made mistakes and I hope he has learned from them. I called him out for setting us up wrong against Plymouth before we even knew what team he was putting out. It was so obvious that I said exactly how they would play and named their two goalscorers.We have these issues every season mate , last season at Southampton we had to bring on Adrian dausch , we are a typical championship side .
If we miss out after being in the playoffs 11 games ago with favourable fixtures its a failure to me .. but we move on and he gets another season and if we miss out next year he goes
I think thats fair tbh
Sunderland comfortably in 4th this season. Who saw that coming??I just don’t see how you can look past 3rd and 4th pretty much every year TBH. To break into that requires either a heap of luck or a heap of cash. Even the gap between parachute and rest of Championship is widening as the gap from promoted to PL is.
Increasingly find myself telling myself I’d be fine with never getting promotion. It’s a fun league if you’re up the top of it.
You need a very wealthy owner who's basically willing to bend or flat out completely ignore the rules and hope to get away with it. I have a sneaky Birmingham will try this as this message of 'more revenue than anyone outside the parachute clubs' sounds like, firstly, complete bollocks, but secondly, we're gonna break the rules and go for it.I just don’t see how you can look past 3rd and 4th pretty much every year TBH. To break into that requires either a heap of luck or a heap of cash. Even the gap between parachute and rest of Championship is widening as the gap from promoted to PL is.
Increasingly find myself telling myself I’d be fine with never getting promotion. It’s a fun league if you’re up the top of it.
Thats all I'm doing , everybody is happy to praise the good run which featured lady luck on our side a couple times ..I haven't said I wouldn't see it as a failure. Lampard has made mistakes and u hope he has learned from them. I called him out for setting us up wrong against Plymouth before we even knew what team he was putting out. It was so obvious that I said exactly how they would play and named their two goalscorers.
He is still learning. I'm prepared to give him time. But I'm not going to keep quiet when I can see him getting it wrong.
The money from just one season there would transform the club as know it at the moment…if we spent wisely.I just don’t see how you can look past 3rd and 4th pretty much every year TBH. To break into that requires either a heap of luck or a heap of cash. Even the gap between parachute and rest of Championship is widening as the gap from promoted to PL is.
Increasingly find myself telling myself I’d be fine with never getting promotion. It’s a fun league if you’re up the top of it.
Birmingham, Wrexham, Sunderland, one of the other 5-10th crew like Millwall or Boro has a decent season. Well be one of about 8-10 teams fighting over three spots.
Luton were shit saturday even at 10v 10 , hull were shit at their place and we couldnt finish them.off , we were shit at derby who weren't very good ,we were fucking wank at Plymouth.. pompey beat us 4-1 when they had the worst home record in the league at the time we were awful
dropped 4 points against cardiff too under frank btw who are relegated
They never beat a good version of us , we practically handed them all points
I don’t buy the Birmingham or Wrexham hype. Both will stay up but look at Plymouth 2 seasons after getting 100+ points in L1.
Why Sunderland? They started the season exceptionally well and have tailed off massively. If they lost in the playoffs and they start the 25/26 season slowly, you can certainly see their manager getting sacked.
If we beat Boro at the weekend, Carrick will probably be done there. Their team is more unbalanced than ours and they’ve gone backwards from 22/23.
As a fan base, we have a lot to be optimistic about and we’re building on a top end Championship squad. The underlying data metrics before Lampard suggested were up there and the actual league table since Lampard has come in doesn’t lie.
The money from just one season there would transform the club as know it at the moment…if we spent wisely.
I don't think that's true regarding the personal wealth of owners, especially Wrexham.Birmingham and Wrexham are financially ahead off virtually every championship club - with the exception of any parachute payment teams. Both of them aiming for the Top 6 next season I’m sure
I don’t buy the Birmingham or Wrexham hype. Both will stay up but look at Plymouth 2 seasons after getting 100+ points in L1.
Why Sunderland? They started the season exceptionally well and have tailed off massively. If they lost in the playoffs and they start the 25/26 season slowly, you can certainly see their manager getting sacked.
If we beat Boro at the weekend, Carrick will probably be done there. Their team is more unbalanced than ours and they’ve gone backwards from 22/23.
As a fan base, we have a lot to be optimistic about and we’re building on a top end Championship squad. The underlying data metrics before Lampard suggested were up there and the actual league table since Lampard has come in doesn’t lie.
No sorry , the same squad pretty much hit 9th and a cup semi last year ..
Weve added players plus grimes too who is a top midfielder at this level , you only have to listen to managers like chris wilder talk about our squad
Our form since hitting the playoffs has been very average and it teetering on poor especially if we lose saturday .
There's no excuse for us to fall away and if we do its a failure
I kind of agree. But you never know the state of the clubs getting relegated from the Prem. This season it was the turn of Luton.I just don’t see how you can look past 3rd and 4th pretty much every year TBH. To break into that requires either a heap of luck or a heap of cash. Even the gap between parachute and rest of Championship is widening as the gap from promoted to PL is.
Increasingly find myself telling myself I’d be fine with never getting promotion. It’s a fun league if you’re up the top of it.
I already stated robins had plenty of credit in the bank , lampard has noneSo robins should have been sacked at the end of last season for the capitulation which meant we finished out the play offs last season?
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