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Philosoraptor · Nov 19, 2022

shmmeee said:
There’s bit I agree and bits I don’t from what I’ve read but I’m not trawling through that to find the bit you’re referring to, certainly the first part and the summary don’t back up your claim as they’re a critique of growth, which by definition makes people richer.

Millennials are due to be poorer than previous generations, but I’m not sure how that’s specifically Labours fault when it’s a global issue: Millennials poorer than previous generations, data show

Could New Labour have done more on housing costs and wages? Sure. No government has a perfect, but they did a lot better than the governments before and after.

The problem with the hard left isn’t necessarily their policy, it’s their distaste for actually getting elected so all the nice ideas in the world mean bugger all.

I see you are using the Peter Sutcliffe was a very good lorry driver defence.

The problem with the hard right is that they simply can't understand the biggest problem with getting their hands on power are in fact themselves.

Philosoraptor · Nov 19, 2022

I think the best thing we can do is to bring up this post when Labour losses the next general election and people are wondering why they have lost the vote. It is still so simple. The same shit that people rejected in the last few GE's still manifests itself in Labour, and hopefully, by then, someone will read the above article and point to those lost years when Labour was in opposition. Where they could have been making a better place for everyone to live, and point their fingers accusingly at all these wasted years when Labour was either chasing power, or trying to stop themselves winning GE's. Instead of cultivating and expanding their base and winning the argument which Labour was founded around.

Watch this one for a slowpoke

shmmeee · Nov 19, 2022

Philosorapter said:
I see you are using the Peter Sutcliffe was a very good lorry driver defence.

The problem with the hard right is that they simply can't understand the biggest problem with getting their hands on power are in fact themselves.

By hard right you mean “anyone other than me” I assume. Or do you seriously believe a belief in nationalised utilities, transport, education free for all, UBI, equalities legislation and strong unions are right wing? You are an absolute caricature.

I’ll be honest I find it pretty morally reprehensible, your attitude. You claim to be pure but actually just enjoy being on the outside criticising than changing peoples lives for the better. So I’ll take no lectures from you. In fact I’ve seen you criticise Labour politicians exponentially more than Tory so I suspect if any one is hard right on this forum, it’s you.

Philosoraptor · Nov 19, 2022

shmmeee said:
By hard right you mean “anyone other than me” I assume. Or do you seriously believe a belief in nationalised utilities, transport, education free for all, UBI, equalities legislation and strong unions are right wing? You are an absolute caricature.

I’ll be honest I find it pretty morally reprehensible, your attitude. You claim to be pure but actually just enjoy being on the outside criticising than changing peoples lives for the better. So I’ll take no lectures from you. In fact I’ve seen you criticise Labour politicians exponentially more than Tory so I suspect if any one is hard right on this forum, it’s you.

Well, I was just copying your idiosyncrasy of anyone who disagrees with you must be on the hard left. I was hoping for a reaction.

It is the same as saying anyone who wanted to join the Labour Party around the time of Corbyn are automatically of the same ilk.

It's a freakish thing to say, but it's a trope that you regularly see from the neoliberals, on the basis that they haven't got a fucking clue what they are doing.

Some of us actually went to a top of the range University later on in life to study shit.

Sky_Blue_Dreamer · Nov 20, 2022

Philosorapter said:
UBI isn't means tested.

It means everyone would get it. A bit like helping out a multi-millionaire with their electricity bill on those forthcoming cold nights to heat their stables.

I would think that there are certain advantages to it, though. Would certainly cut out the red tape on getting ahead in life, amongst the entrepreneurial.

That's if it truly gives more benefit than the present system gives.

Things have a way of being tapered back to be less decent than first thought.

The issue I have with UBI is that as everyone will get it, greedy businesses will know everyone's income has gone up by £x and will put up their prices accordingly, so you just end up in the same place as before but with a hike in inflation.

Housing especially would be the biggest problem. Both house prices and rents would increase massively because it would be known everyone has £x more money and due to demand they'd just force people to pay more or miss out to someone who will.

I'm more in favour of setting the tax allowance & NI threshold at the level of working full time on the minimum living wage, though that isn't a cure-all by any means. Even more so equivalence between corporation and personal tax.

napolimp · Nov 20, 2022

Philosorapter said:
Some of us actually went to a top of the range University later on in life to study shit.

Something smells funny.

Philosoraptor · Nov 20, 2022

napolimp said:
Something smells funny.

Have you checked your nappy?

napolimp · Nov 20, 2022

Philosorapter said:
Have you checked your nappy?

Did you study that at University?

Philosoraptor · Nov 21, 2022

napolimp said:
Did you study that at University?

napolimp · Nov 21, 2022

Philosorapter said:

You must have studied that at University.

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