@richh87
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At the Scunthorpe game I vowed not to go again til the team got themselves top half and showed me they're not total shite, however the last 2 results have persuaded me to go back. Come on City - let's use this momentum!
Anyone on here who wasn't going up on Saturday now changed their minds?
We need a couple of thousand on the gate. These two wins must have stirred up some passion and pride surely?
We need stay away fans back! And back now!
Come on duffy,you know these kids are always right.
Actually, your comparison withe the country's financial position and ours is spot on, but not in the conclusions both you and the government draw. Evidence shows that the more a club pays in wages, the higher up the league they get, In the country's case, cutting spending results in the economy shrinking, more borrowing to pay for more unemployment, and the debt going up (see the latest figures). In the club's case, cutting costs leads to poorer results, lower gates, less revenue, debt going up.
In both cases, a modest injection of spending (building houses/buying McGoldrick) will almost certainly lead to a growing economy/bigger crowds, more revenue, and therefore less debt.
It's all about the economy, stupid (that's q quote from Bill Clinton, not a comment on your intellect)
Hate to question your political ideology but there are no cuts. Yesterday's figures showed that YOY borrowing has increased.
The reality is, the majority of boycotters don't go to either home or away games, where my point does apply, the boycotters who go to away games, fair play, but home is bread butter stuff.
The reality is? where do you get this 'fact' from ?
I had to buy my own ST this year, so I'm not exactly immune to it all and my head stuck in the clouds.
Who pays for where you live and who pays for your food? Season ticket is probably all you have to worry about
They may be infamous in the financial world, no one said that (or I don't know of anyone who said that) they were notorious and couldn't be trusted,
Taken from a newspaper article
Sisu keeps a determinedly low profile but was catapulted into the limelight two years ago when its chief executive Joy Seppala, a 46-year-old Finnish-American, was accused of lying in a High Court wrangle over bust electricity company TXU.
Seppala who is described by rivals as having "balls of steel", was criticised by the trial judge over her "distorted recollection of events" and for being "prone to exaggerate".
Not naive, .
I have no party affiliations, although I can certainly state that I could never be or condone socialism the way it is practiced in the UK.
The bottom line is; no-one should spend more than they "earn". If you can't pay for it, don't buy it. If you don't have the money, don't spend it. This goes for governments and companies and families and individuals. No-one should spend money they do not have.
And if they do spend money they do not have and get into debt, they need to do whatever it takes to get out of debt as quickly as they sensibly can and then make sure they never get into debt again. (Note: mortgages excluded from this if mortgage is sensible from earnings perspective - that is a different aspect, as is sensible borrowing to start a new business etc.). The argument should be "what constitutes sensible measures", and never about more spending. You cannot spend your way out of debt.
Trouble is people, companies and governments have come to accept debt as a proper and normal state of being, which it is NOT, even though banks and other financial institutions have pushed debt as a "good" thing for years to their own benefit and everyone else's downfall.
Football is a prime example of how not to conduct finances. Surely anyone would find it hard to disagree, and if you do, just look at Porstmaouth and their attempt to spend their way out of debt. Look at Coventry and Richardson's attempt to overspend us into Europe and the really big league. Football is (very) slowly but surely coming to its senses and imposing punishments on clubs that spend more than they earn and have introduced financial rules (years too late in my opinion, but better late that never).
Bottom line for everyone: don't spend what you haven't got, and if you do get into debt, do whatever is necessary - no matter how painful in the short term - to get out of debt and stay out of debt.
Not naive?...... hmmmmm
I have no party affiliations, although I can certainly state that I could never be or condone socialism the way it is practiced in the UK.
The bottom line is; no-one should spend more than they "earn". If you can't pay for it, don't buy it. If you don't have the money, don't spend it. This goes for governments and companies and families and individuals. No-one should spend money they do not have.
And if they do spend money they do not have and get into debt, they need to do whatever it takes to get out of debt as quickly as they sensibly can and then make sure they never get into debt again. (Note: mortgages excluded from this if mortgage is sensible from earnings perspective - that is a different aspect, as is sensible borrowing to start a new business etc.). The argument should be "what constitutes sensible measures", and never about more spending. You cannot spend your way out of debt.
Trouble is people, companies and governments have come to accept debt as a proper and normal state of being, which it is NOT, even though banks and other financial institutions have pushed debt as a "good" thing for years to their own benefit and everyone else's downfall.
Football is a prime example of how not to conduct finances. Surely anyone would find it hard to disagree, and if you do, just look at Porstmaouth and their attempt to spend their way out of debt. Look at Coventry and Richardson's attempt to overspend us into Europe and the really big league. Football is (very) slowly but surely coming to its senses and imposing punishments on clubs that spend more than they earn and have introduced financial rules (years too late in my opinion, but better late that never).
Bottom line for everyone: don't spend what you haven't got, and if you do get into debt, do whatever is necessary - no matter how painful in the short term - to get out of debt and stay out of debt.
Get to work and pay for his ST Valiant
Fair play to you taylor for getting off your backside and working,i respect you for that. Astute,I'm just about to leave to do a bit over friday evening overtime 6-11,ive got a fridge full of beer and I'm now regretting saying yes,grrr.
No probs,enjoy the game,
I think I am going to throw up.
Fair play to you taylor for getting off your backside and working,i respect you for that. Astute,I'm just about to leave to do a bit over friday evening overtime 6-11,ive got a fridge full of beer and I'm now regretting saying yes,grrr.
The 'fact' isin the attendances, home attendances are down (not just because of boycotters, economy and league were in ow plays a big part) and away attendances similar, not much change, I'm pretty sure slightly down, it is a fact the majority of the boycotters don't go to either home or awa games... Unless you can prove otherwise!?
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You obviously are privvy to the 'FACTS' as you claim, regarding boycotters, I look forward to reading your evidence and sources for this as you must be able to prove this
You've misunderstood, I never said, oh I'm feeling the heights of the recession, I have to buy my ST, I'm saying that I'm aware that times are tough for ordinary people who are cutting costs, like my mum, who said, you want ST? you're going to have to buy it youself this year. I don't see how your point was relevant.
You have said on other threads that your mates and their families aren't going this year because they can't afford it , but to you it's an excuse.
How about 20% increase on gas electric costs petrol price hikes and the ever increasing food prices. But these won't affect you as you only pay for your season ticket!!
WHY DO YOU THINK YOUR MUM COULDN'T AFFORD YOUR SEASON TICKET THIS YEAR?
I was saying before SISU came in, no one cared about how notorious they were in the financial world, I never seen that nor heard of it before or just after they brought us. And I know what people are referring to now is a newspaper article about SISU.
So a high court Judge publicly states Joy Seppala, a 46-year-old Finnish-American, was accused of lying in a High Court wrangle over bust electricity company TXU. and her "distorted recollection of events" and for being "prone to exaggerate" is just newspaper talk.
Do some research you will find those comments are factual
None of you points were really relevant Cloughie.[/QUOTE
It could be a long wait but we will see if the penny drops
The 'fact' isin the attendances, home attendances are down (not just because of boycotters, economy and league were in ow plays a big part) and away attendances similar, not much change, I'm pretty sure slightly down, it is a fact the majority of the boycotters don't go to either home or awa games... Unless you can prove otherwise!?
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You obviously are privvy to the 'FACTS' as you claim, regarding boycotters, I look forward to reading your evidence and sources for this as you must be able to prove this
You've misunderstood, I never said, oh I'm feeling the heights of the recession, I have to buy my ST, I'm saying that I'm aware that times are tough for ordinary people who are cutting costs, like my mum, who said, you want ST? you're going to have to buy it youself this year. I don't see how your point was relevant.
You have said on other threads that your mates and their families aren't going this year because they can't afford it , but to you it's an excuse.
How about 20% increase on gas electric costs petrol price hikes and the ever increasing food prices.
WHY DO YOU THINK YOUR MUM COULDN'T AFFORD YOUR SEASON TICKET THIS YEAR?
I was saying before SISU came in, no one cared about how notorious they were in the financial world, I never seen that nor heard of it before or just after they brought us. And I know what people are referring to now is a newspaper article about SISU.
So a high court Judge publicly states Joy Seppala, a 46-year-old Finnish-American, was accused of lying in a High Court wrangle over bust electricity company TXU. and her "distorted recollection of events" and for being "prone to exaggerate" is just newspaper talk.
Do some research you will find those comments are factual
None of you points were really relevant Cloughie.[/QUOTE
It could be a long wait but we will see if the penny drops
On the boycotters argument, find evidence to disprove me. My evidence, small sample, how many boycotters on SBT go to away games go to home games. It is a lazy excuse not to go to the games. I know people who went up, who are now 'boycotters' now we're in L1, they'd soon change their stance if we in the prem or got a really good cup draw (v Villa or big team)
I never questioned why I had to pay for my ST, I stated it. I'm well aware of gas and electric companies of hiking their prices (BBC 3 show 'The Revolution Will Be Televised' did a good piece on it and I've watched the news obviously)
I never said it was paper talk [on Joy] I said people were referring to a newspaper article of which it said the above about Joy.
On the boycotters argument, find evidence to disprove me. My evidence, small sample, how many boycotters on SBT go to away games go to home games. It is a lazy excuse not to go to the games. I know people who went up, who are now 'boycotters' now we're in L1, they'd soon change their stance if we in the prem or got a really good cup draw (v Villa or big team)
What evidence?
obviously some will not go as we drop down the leagues regardless but there are more worrying issues for many that would love to go
I never questioned why I had to pay for my ST, I stated it. I'm well aware of gas and electric companies of hiking their prices (BBC 3 show 'The Revolution Will Be Televised' did a good piece on it and I've watched the news obviously)
I really don't know why I bother,,,,,,,,, if your mum couldn't afford it don't you think there maybe lots of other people in the same position
I never said it was paper talk [on Joy] I said people were referring to a newspaper article of which it said the above about Joy.
I quote you previously
'They may be infamous in the financial world, no one said that (or I don't know of anyone who said that) they were notorious and couldn't be trusted',
I have shown you were it is said they can't be trusted
going to bed had enough :wave:
I quote you previously
'They may be infamous in the financial world, no one said that (or I don't know of anyone who said that) they were notorious and couldn't be trusted',
I have shown you were it is said they can't be trusted
going to bed had enough :wave:
Don't let the bed bugs bite.
That quote though, was when we first got took over by SISU. Not when the vast majority or discontented with the ownership and now, in League 1.
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