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Fergusons_Beard · Mar 25, 2017

riyadhskyblue said:
Ok Ferguson's beard, let's play your game for a moment.
If the council never paid CCFC it was due then you are indeed correct.
Are you so involved with every step of this shit since 1999 and you have evidence that the council got money that was supposed to be passed on to CCFC?
Are you aware that all councils are audited for discrepancies in the public purse?
Are you aware that there has not been one substantiated claim to support what you are alleging?
Please, this is a game changer for me. Show me and I will wake up as you asked.

I want to help save Coventry City, says Bryan Richardson

“The stadium was my big vision but it was never my vision that the club wouldn’t own it,” said the former City chief who, remarkably, has never set foot in the Ricoh Arena.
“I have no idea what happened after I left. I can show you the document where I did the deal with the Tesco chairman directly.
"We bought 88 acres from British Gas.

"I sold 30 of the 88 acres where it is now for £66.5m which was the highest price Tesco had ever paid for an out of London site. And there were no fees so the club didn’t pay anyone because I did it direct with Tesco, and that saved the club £3m in fees.

“I don’t know what happened after that but before long the whole thing had gone to the Higgs Charity and the Council.
"So I don’t know, did Tesco pay the money direct to the council? I’ve no idea. I’d love to know and to be honest the supporters should know because it was a huge deal at the time.”

It is understood that Richardson bought an option to buy the Foleshill gas works site but when that option ran out and he couldn’t raise the money to pay British Gas, the council stepped in and bought the land for £20m - including £12m to decontaminate it – and then sold it to Tesco, using the £40m profit to part-fund the construction of the stadium.

Richardson admitted: “I had left when the final deal was done, but that was going to be the best asset ever for the club.
"That was going to be the bedrock of the future of Coventry City Football Club and for some extraordinary reason that all went by the by and I have never, to this day, understood – and neither have I asked to be honest – why that ever happened.

“But it was absolutely crucial to the future of the club that it had ownership of the stadium and all the revenue streams. It was the key to everything.”

The land cost and sale figures don't agree to what Council reports say actually happened, and although he says he did the deal and later admits he'd left by the time it was done, I'm sure he feels he has a complaint.

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Fergusons_Beard · Mar 25, 2017

Read this

http://democraticservices.coventry....08 - Arena Construction Completion Report.pdf

Numbers don't add up at all

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blueflint · Mar 25, 2017

SkyBlueZack said:
So the offer was more or less the same, just that the club wished to work on community projects together? Surely that's a win win for a children's charity? Children participating in the nations favourite sport meeting the local teams players. Ah, the Higgs stand offer, not many sit behind the goal in rugby do they? Nice thought, good PR. Shame the clubs conditions weren't seen as that.

and you would trust SISU not me bud

MusicDating · Mar 25, 2017

I'd love to see the back of SISU but I see no evidence that the council would behave any differently with new owners.

NortonSkyBlue · Mar 25, 2017

MusicDating said:
I'd love to see the back of SISU but I see no evidence that the council would behave any differently with new owners.

With all due respect music dating, there is evidence. Wasps.

MusicDating · Mar 25, 2017

riyadhskyblue said:
With all due respect music dating, there is evidence. Wasps.

I meant towards CCFC obviously.

Deleted member 5849 · Mar 25, 2017

Rusty Trombone said:
It was a one horse race in the end. Now if the club hadn't breached the terms of the option agreement, then there wouldn't have even been a race. Whoever made that decision really messed up.

I repeat again, that nobody, but nobody, wanted to buy any part of ACL as originally configured. It was only once what was on offer changed, that people became interested.

And what was on offer only changed because of SISU's actions. Without them, nobody would have been interested, and the cub would have been strangled/strangled itself to a slow death.

Anyway, aren't we all going round our entrenched positions that we've done countless times before? Can't we all just agree that it'd be nice if club/SISU and CCC actually had a chat to one another?

Captain Dart · Mar 25, 2017

Fergusons_Beard said:
I want to help save Coventry City, says Bryan Richardson

“The stadium was my big vision but it was never my vision that the club wouldn’t own it,” said the former City chief who, remarkably, has never set foot in the Ricoh Arena.
“I have no idea what happened after I left. I can show you the document where I did the deal with the Tesco chairman directly.
"We bought 88 acres from British Gas.

"I sold 30 of the 88 acres where it is now for £66.5m which was the highest price Tesco had ever paid for an out of London site. And there were no fees so the club didn’t pay anyone because I did it direct with Tesco, and that saved the club £3m in fees.

“I don’t know what happened after that but before long the whole thing had gone to the Higgs Charity and the Council.
"So I don’t know, did Tesco pay the money direct to the council? I’ve no idea. I’d love to know and to be honest the supporters should know because it was a huge deal at the time.”

It is understood that Richardson bought an option to buy the Foleshill gas works site but when that option ran out and he couldn’t raise the money to pay British Gas, the council stepped in and bought the land for £20m - including £12m to decontaminate it – and then sold it to Tesco, using the £40m profit to part-fund the construction of the stadium.

Richardson admitted: “I had left when the final deal was done, but that was going to be the best asset ever for the club.
"That was going to be the bedrock of the future of Coventry City Football Club and for some extraordinary reason that all went by the by and I have never, to this day, understood – and neither have I asked to be honest – why that ever happened.

“But it was absolutely crucial to the future of the club that it had ownership of the stadium and all the revenue streams. It was the key to everything.”

The land cost and sale figures don't agree to what Council reports say actually happened, and although he says he did the deal and later admits he'd left by the time it was done, I'm sure he feels he has a complaint.

In actual fact the Dutch Construction firm HGB engaged to do the work bought the land from British Gas for £2M when they found out that Richardson hadn't actually bought it and did not have the money to pay them for works they'd already done. They later sold it to the Council for £20M making £18M in the process, the Council sold part of the land to Tesco for a lot more and ploughed the difference into the Arena construction. Richardson may have negotiated a deal with Tesco but he was trying to do lots of things without the funds needed to get them done. Don't believe Richardson for heavens sake.

Astute · Mar 25, 2017

torchomatic said:
I'm deluded. As deluded as the councillor who said CCC could talk about CCFC ownership once bridges had been built.

Was he confused or lying?

So when did SISU ever try to build bridges?

I don't care if anyone wants to call me a CCC lover. I know the truth. I want a way out for my football club. And siding with SISU whilst they continue to wreck our club isn't an option to me. And I can't sit by and let others continue to rewrite history to blame one side for everything.

NortonSkyBlue · Mar 25, 2017

Fergusons_Beard said:
I want to help save Coventry City, says Bryan Richardson

“The stadium was my big vision but it was never my vision that the club wouldn’t own it,” said the former City chief who, remarkably, has never set foot in the Ricoh Arena.
“I have no idea what happened after I left. I can show you the document where I did the deal with the Tesco chairman directly.
"We bought 88 acres from British Gas.

"I sold 30 of the 88 acres where it is now for £66.5m which was the highest price Tesco had ever paid for an out of London site. And there were no fees so the club didn’t pay anyone because I did it direct with Tesco, and that saved the club £3m in fees.

“I don’t know what happened after that but before long the whole thing had gone to the Higgs Charity and the Council.
"So I don’t know, did Tesco pay the money direct to the council? I’ve no idea. I’d love to know and to be honest the supporters should know because it was a huge deal at the time.”

It is understood that Richardson bought an option to buy the Foleshill gas works site but when that option ran out and he couldn’t raise the money to pay British Gas, the council stepped in and bought the land for £20m - including £12m to decontaminate it – and then sold it to Tesco, using the £40m profit to part-fund the construction of the stadium.

Richardson admitted: “I had left when the final deal was done, but that was going to be the best asset ever for the club.
"That was going to be the bedrock of the future of Coventry City Football Club and for some extraordinary reason that all went by the by and I have never, to this day, understood – and neither have I asked to be honest – why that ever happened.

“But it was absolutely crucial to the future of the club that it had ownership of the stadium and all the revenue streams. It was the key to everything.”

The land cost and sale figures don't agree to what Council reports say actually happened, and although he says he did the deal and later admits he'd left by the time it was done, I'm sure he feels he has a complaint.

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Thank you, it was a good read, both your posts and the arena document.
Case not proven. I can see why you reach your conclusion but there is no evidence of council wrong doing and even Richardson says he doesn't know what occurred as he was no longer involved.

torchomatic · Mar 25, 2017

Astute said:
So when did SISU ever try to build bridges?

I don't care if anyone wants to call me a CCC lover. I know the truth. I want a way out for my football club. And siding with SISU whilst they continue to wreck our club isn't an option to me. And I can't sit by and let others continue to rewrite history to blame one side for everything.

So why did he say it then? Anyway, I lost interest after "I know the truth". Off to the match thread, so no more biting from me.

Astute · Mar 25, 2017

Fergusons_Beard said:
I want to help save Coventry City, says Bryan Richardson

“The stadium was my big vision but it was never my vision that the club wouldn’t own it,” said the former City chief who, remarkably, has never set foot in the Ricoh Arena.
“I have no idea what happened after I left. I can show you the document where I did the deal with the Tesco chairman directly.
"We bought 88 acres from British Gas.

"I sold 30 of the 88 acres where it is now for £66.5m which was the highest price Tesco had ever paid for an out of London site. And there were no fees so the club didn’t pay anyone because I did it direct with Tesco, and that saved the club £3m in fees.

“I don’t know what happened after that but before long the whole thing had gone to the Higgs Charity and the Council.
"So I don’t know, did Tesco pay the money direct to the council? I’ve no idea. I’d love to know and to be honest the supporters should know because it was a huge deal at the time.”

It is understood that Richardson bought an option to buy the Foleshill gas works site but when that option ran out and he couldn’t raise the money to pay British Gas, the council stepped in and bought the land for £20m - including £12m to decontaminate it – and then sold it to Tesco, using the £40m profit to part-fund the construction of the stadium.

Richardson admitted: “I had left when the final deal was done, but that was going to be the best asset ever for the club.
"That was going to be the bedrock of the future of Coventry City Football Club and for some extraordinary reason that all went by the by and I have never, to this day, understood – and neither have I asked to be honest – why that ever happened.

“But it was absolutely crucial to the future of the club that it had ownership of the stadium and all the revenue streams. It was the key to everything.”

The land cost and sale figures don't agree to what Council reports say actually happened, and although he says he did the deal and later admits he'd left by the time it was done, I'm sure he feels he has a complaint.

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One question for you if you believe what he said. How could he of sold land that didn't belong to him as he never bought it. The proof has been shown on here several times.

Astute · Mar 25, 2017

torchomatic said:
So why did he say it then? Anyway, I lost interest after "I know the truth". Off to the match thread, so no more biting from me.

So you are calling me a CCC lover and now saying that you are not going to make any more comments? Thought you was much better than that.

torchomatic · Mar 25, 2017

Astute said:
So you are calling me a CCC lover and now saying that you are not going to make any more comments? Thought you was much better than that.

You can think what the hell you want to be honest.

Deleted member 5849 · Mar 25, 2017

Astute said:
So when did SISU ever try to build bridges?

Sky Blue Trust Q&A said:

30: Are ACL willing to be bound by an agreement brokered by independent mediators or arbitrator?

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Sky Blue Trust Q&A said:
ACL: No. We have put our best and final offer on the table after months of negotiation with both SISU and CCFC. It was a reasonable and generous offer, as recognised by all 3 CCFC directors in attendance on 29 January 2013, as they verbally accepted it and shook hands in confirmation. We are not prepared to make further concessions, nor do we believe that any mediator could reasonably expect that we would. The ball is in CCFC’s court. Negotiations are now at an end, and the Board of CCFC have been duly notified.

CCFC: Yes. Any Arbitrator(s) would need to look at the lawfulness of the original licence, the financial viability of ACL, historic performance of ACL, past proposals, monies paid to ACL for utilities and the legal basis for these, the original deal for the sale of shares to Higgs Charity and monies paid by CCFC to ACL during the period of the dispute.

Now sure, you could very validly argue it's a yes-but' from CCFC, but it's a damned site more of a 'yes' than ACL offered then.

Now... we know what happened then, when mediation was refused...

I just find it crazy that people don't want to talk, and also that there isn't a push to talk. Let's be honest, it'd probably end up with a no result but... relations couldn't be worse than they are now after a chat, surely?

Thankfully, the trust agree. Surely the general principle is one we can all get behind... who said what when in the past is ultimately irrelevant to what they *will* say.

chiefdave · Mar 25, 2017

Captain Dart said:
In actual fact the Dutch Construction firm HGB engaged to do the work bought the land from British Gas for £2M when they found out that Richardson hadn't actually bought it and did not have the money to pay them for works they'd already done. They later sold it to the Council for £20M making £18M in the process, the Council sold part of the land to Tesco for a lot more and ploughed the difference into the Arena construction. Richardson may have negotiated a deal with Tesco but he was trying to do lots of things without the funds needed to get them done. Don't believe Richardson for heavens sake.

The key point you've missed there is the speed at which the council flipped it to Tesco. They hijacked the deal.

Astute · Mar 26, 2017

chiefdave said:
The key point you've missed there is the speed at which the council flipped it to Tesco. They hijacked the deal.

They hijacked a deal we couldn't afford to go forward with?

Yes we got a shit deal from CCC. But the funding had to come from somewhere. The Tesco deal only paid for the land and decontamination of it. CCC raised the rest through grants mainly. Another 60m was needed after the land deal with Tesco. We couldn't even afford to pay players wages by then.

Astute · Mar 26, 2017

Deleted member 5849 said:
Now sure, you could very validly argue it's a yes-but' from CCFC, but it's a damned site more of a 'yes' than ACL offered then.

Now... we know what happened then, when mediation was refused...

I just find it crazy that people don't want to talk, and also that there isn't a push to talk. Let's be honest, it'd probably end up with a no result but... relations couldn't be worse than they are now after a chat, surely?

Thankfully, the trust agree. Surely the general principle is one we can all get behind... who said what when in the past is ultimately irrelevant to what they *will* say.

I think just about everyone would like talks to happen. But just about everyone also thinks it wouldn't make any difference.

Astute · Mar 27, 2017

I have just watched the Fisher bit about the mediation on Sky Sports again. This time when sober. So what is the feeling from those having a go at those of us that were skeptical about it happening now?

clint van damme · Mar 27, 2017

Astute said:
I have just watched the Fisher bit about the mediation on Sky Sports again. This time when sober. So what is the feeling from those having a go at those of us that were skeptical about it happening now?

I heard at the weekend that the mediator has spoken to all parties involved individually already. It was supposed to stay confidential but for some reason known only to him, (and no doubt joy), he went public.
Don't know how true it is.

Astute · Mar 27, 2017

clint van damme said:
I heard at the weekend that the mediator has spoken to all parties involved individually already. It was supposed to stay confidential but for some reason known only to him, (and no doubt joy), he went public.
Don't know how true it is.

That is a problem with Fisher. He seems to think that confidentiality only works one way.

At least we know for sure that it isn't mediation he is after. He must think that we are all thick. He has given a list of what he wants and wants everyone else to mediate between themselves :banghead:

dongonzalos · Mar 27, 2017

I know some of you seems to dislike him, but this is a very good article from Simon Gilbert.
It captures my opinions perfectly

CCFC Butts Park ground share "It's time to put up or shut up"

oldskyblue58 · Mar 27, 2017

clint van damme said:
I heard at the weekend that the mediator has spoken to all parties involved individually already. It was supposed to stay confidential but for some reason known only to him, (and no doubt joy), he went public.
Don't know how true it is.

I was told something similar, CVD. Basically the MP has done a fact find from all parties, which is the sensible thing to do and would now move on to more detailed talks to find a solution.

I would think that the MP wanted it all kept quiet and low key because that creates the best circumstances for everyone to take part. It avoids all the public & media clamour we have seen created by certain parties. Not everyone wants to conduct this chance to talk in the glare of publicity.

Setting out the demands in the way Fisher has, reduces the room for compromise and sets up the possibility of the blame game. His statements are aimed more at people like the EFL to say look we are doing something and we are being brushed off - all pretty predictable

Just talk and then come back to us with a workable solution

Deleted member 5849 · Mar 27, 2017

dongonzalos said:
I know some of you seems to dislike him, but this is a very good article from Simon Gilbert.
It captures my opinions perfectly

CCFC Butts Park ground share "It's time to put up or shut up"

Well he agrees with most of what I've been saying, that they should talk, that it'd be easier with CCC behind them, that dropping legal action should not be a prerequisite to speaking... so on that basis it's a fine article

skybluetony176 · Mar 27, 2017

chiefdave said:
The key point you've missed there is the speed at which the council flipped it to Tesco. They hijacked the deal.

Hijacked? Are you suggesting it was illegal?

oldskyblue58 · Mar 27, 2017

dongonzalos said:
I know some of you seems to dislike him, but this is a very good article from Simon Gilbert.
It captures my opinions perfectly

CCFC Butts Park ground share "It's time to put up or shut up"

Reasonable enough opinion, what I think he should have added is that CCC should be saying to Fisher "show us the CCFC plans for a viable future and how that works at the BPA - what are CCFC committing to"

They could of course ask for CRFC to produce their plans but CRFC are not in a rush and are already working with the council. Apparently CCFC are only one of several options at BPA

Astute · Mar 27, 2017

Deleted member 5849 said:
Well he agrees with most of what I've been saying, that they should talk, that it'd be easier with CCC behind them, that dropping legal action should not be a prerequisite to speaking... so on that basis it's a fine article

We all agree that it would be good to talk. But look what happened the last time Fisher gave his demands then waited for everyone else to do as he says. More or less what many of us expected. Mediation without the main side involved. CCFC.

fernandopartridge · Mar 27, 2017

Deleted member 5849 said:
Well he agrees with most of what I've been saying, that they should talk, that it'd be easier with CCC behind them, that dropping legal action should not be a prerequisite to speaking... so on that basis it's a fine article

I reckon it might be plagiarism now you mention it

dongonzalos · Mar 27, 2017

Sorry if this is already on here

Coventry chairman eyes 'positive resolution'

Deleted member 5849 · Mar 27, 2017

fernandopartridge said:
I reckon it might be plagiarism now you mention it

:mask:

He (quite rightly) gets pulled up at times for his twatter and self-promotion, but when he says something I agree with, it'd be remiss not to praise him for seeing the light

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