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clint van damme

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  • Mar 24, 2017
  • #141

anyone calling for the club to be liquidated for a start.
 
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hutch1972

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  • Mar 24, 2017
  • #142
Grendel said:
If I rented a property at an extortionate rate that left me bankrupt twice and the landlord refused to listen to a reduction But told me I could buy it for 40 years and then gave it to some bloke from London for half the price for 250 years I'd feel like suing.

Fook me I do worry about some people on here.
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Could not of put it better myself. Maybe some might even comprehend what they have done.
 
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dongonzalos

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  • Mar 24, 2017
  • #143
clint van damme said:
that's not actually true and I deal daily with a company that we are going to court against.
That dispute is in the hands of the respective legal teams and the rest of us carry on with business as usual. It's a quite different situation to be honest but it just shows that companies in dispute still do business.
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Maybe you have to and you or they need the business.
CCC don't. SISU do.
So CCC are wiser doing the minimum that have to.
 
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sky blue john

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  • Mar 24, 2017
  • #144
hutch1972 said:
Could not of put it better myself. Maybe some might even comprehend what they have done.
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Lol,
You and Gendall must be extremely gullable and stupid to believe that a championship club who had an average gate of 20,000 fans could go bust twice just because of a £1.2million annual rent.
 
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clint van damme

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  • Mar 24, 2017
  • #145
dongonzalos said:
Maybe you have to and you or they need the business.
CCC don't. SISU do.
So CCC are wiser doing the minimum that have to.
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My point was that companies in dispute do carry on doing business although they don't have to.

As Tony pointed out in another thread, he think sisu are shooting in the dark trying to find a way out which saves face and I think he's correct.
So I'd rather get round the table with them and see if there's anything can be done to help them on their way.

It doesn't mean CCC have to offer them anything or agree to anything.
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 24, 2017
  • #146
clint van damme said:
that's not actually true and I deal daily with a company that we are going to court against.
That dispute is in the hands of the respective legal teams and the rest of us carry on with business as usual. It's a quite different situation to be honest but it just shows that companies in dispute still do business.
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You probably have a mutually beneficial reason to keep dealing with each over though. That's clearly not a place that anyone in control is at in our case. Beneficial to the club? Yes. Beneficial to SISU? doubtful. Beneficial to Wasps? Doubtful. Beneficial to CCC? Doubtful. Problem is the club isn't in control of this.
 
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dongonzalos

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  • Mar 24, 2017
  • #147
What I find amazing. Is all these people who have wanted any other organisation to bend over backwards as long as it's for the good of CCFC.
They actively wanted a children's charity to be put under financial pressure.
They wanted a business half owned by CCC half owned by a charity to go bust.
They currently want Wasps to go bust and their fans to suffer.
All because it would be good for CCFC.
They supported CCFC breaking a legally binding contract.
Some even were ok with the club been held at ransom in another town!!

All these people want mediation and a solution to the problem.

Wasps and the Council apparently can help do this. They are both asking for legal action to be dropped that affects them both so they can start helping.

Yet the jokers on here who want the best at all costs for CCFC above all else. What do they say.....

Oh no you can't affect SISU's right to taken legal action!!!

Unbelievable
Screwing over a children's charty, yep as long as it helps CCFC.
Break legally binding contracts, yep all good if it helps CCFC.
Move out club away yep all good as long as it helps CCFC.

Yet ask SISU to drop legal action they won't win against the people they are asking to help them.

Suddenly these jokers find their moral bloody compass.
Oh no you can't do that, that is a step too far. The people getting sued should turn the other cheek and help out regardless.

Bunch of jokers the solution is simple SISU drop the legal action.
Every Cov fan should be asking for that. Why support something that is harming the club and if won wouldn't benefit the club anyway.
 
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MusicDating

Euro 2016 Prediction League Champion!!
  • Mar 24, 2017
  • #148
It's funny how Jon Sharp is able to make a distinction between CCFC and SISU but some on here cannot...
 
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dongonzalos

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  • Mar 24, 2017
  • #149
clint van damme said:
My point was that companies in dispute do carry on doing business although they don't have to.

As Tony pointed out in another thread, he think sisu are shooting in the dark trying to find a way out which saves face and I think he's correct.
So I'd rather get round the table with them and see if there's anything can be done to help them on their way.

It doesn't mean CCC have to offer them anything or agree to anything.
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Yes the advice in the articles say unless you absolutely have to don't communicate with the person suing you.
Sometimes you have to as in if you need each other's business. (Examples Dave gave earlier)
Or in the case of CCC they would have a legal duty to communicate about certain things such as planning permission. Anything else they will have been advised that the best course of action is dont communicate.
 
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dongonzalos

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  • Mar 24, 2017
  • #150
MusicDating said:
It's funny how Jon Sharp is able to make a distinction between CCFC and SISU but some on here cannot...
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Anyone can make a distinction about anything if it suits their view point or it will suit them business wise.
 
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Nick

Administrator
  • Mar 24, 2017
  • #151
dongonzalos said:
Anyone can make a distinction about anything if it suits their view point or it will suit them business wise.
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Or if it's fact? It's nothing to do with suiting a point of view.
 
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dongonzalos

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  • Mar 24, 2017
  • #152
Nick said:
Or if it's fact? It's nothing to do with suiting a point of view.
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Is it a fact that CCFC are ultimately ran by the owner of SISU. Could Ben Stevenson be sold in the summer without the authorisation of the owner of SISU?
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Mar 24, 2017
  • #153
dongonzalos said:
Is it a fact that CCFC are ultimately ran by the owner of SISU. Could Ben Stevenson be sold in the summer without the authorisation of the owner of SISU?
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Yep, he could.

Unless of course you go to games to support SISU?

The same way that Cov Rugby, Ticketmaster and Just Sport have agreements with CCFC and not SISU.
 
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Skybluesince82

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  • Mar 24, 2017
  • #154
"CCC have a duty to 360 000 rate payers whom 5500 are season ticket holders. Err now that leaves 354 500 tax payers with no vested interest in CCFC. They couldnt give a fook about what happens but turn up at Wembley when it suits."

Actually this is a load of bollocks. Just my opinion....

A little late to the party in this thread, but with 40k supporters going to Wembley, that is over 10% of the population of the city (which is 344,000, not 360,000). The figure you gave doesn't take in to account the number of students living in the city, which is 30k at Coventry uni alone. So those attending (although admittedly they won't wall be from Coventry) make up loosely 13% of the population.

Worth noting that there was a 27.5% turnout for the local elections in 2016, so the council don't really represent the majority in their actions anyway, just as those 5.5k season ticket holders don't represent all CCFC fans.

Just because people aren't season ticket holders, it doesn't mean they aren't affected by CCFC and don't want a successful club in the city.

A successful football team without doubt is more beneficial to the economy than a rugby team. More games, potentially more fans and certainly more away supporters. A city centre stadium would also undoubtedly benefit local shops, pubs etc. More than a stadium on the outskirts of the city. I bet many local businesses and pubs closed or struggled after CCFC left Highfield Road.

Forget the daft analogies about taking my neighbour to court... not even on the same page. Surely the council have a duty to get involved in mediation considering the potential economic benefits to the city and considering the number of people that actually are demonstrating support of the club through the Wembley visit?

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skybluetony176

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  • Mar 24, 2017
  • #155
Nick said:
Yep, he could.
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Do you really think Tim is brave enough to sanction the sale of one of our better players with out consulting Joy first? I mean she's hurting now. Imagine what she would be like if a player who would arguably be instrumental in a quick return to league one was sold. She'd probably join the Trust, get a ticket to the next forum with TF and stand at the back of the room shouting abuse at him like others who are hurting.
 
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Nick

Administrator
  • Mar 24, 2017
  • #156
skybluetony176 said:
Do you really think Tim is brave enough to sanction the sale of one of our better players with out consulting Joy first? I mean she's hurting now. Imagine what she would be like if a player who would arguably be instrumental in a quick return to league one was sold. She'd probably join the Trust, get a ticket to the next forum with TF and stand at the back of the room shouting abuse at him like others who are hurting.
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In which case fair play to Joy for keeping hold of him and turning down the offers in January!



Doubt she even knows who Stevenson is.
 
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dongonzalos

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  • Mar 24, 2017
  • #157
Nick said:
Yep, he could.

Unless of course you go to games to support SISU?

The same way that Cov Rugby, Ticketmaster and Just Sport have agreements with CCFC and not SISU.
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He can't actually as stated by Tim Fisher.
He is an asset on SISU's books so they ultimately have to say yes or no to any player sales.
 
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dongonzalos

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  • Mar 24, 2017
  • #158
Nick said:
In which case fair play to Joy for keeping hold of him and turning down the offers in January!



Doubt she even knows who Stevenson is.
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You may want to read my last post. As you are starting to look a bit silly.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Mar 24, 2017
  • #159
dongonzalos said:
He can't actually as stated by Tim Fisher.
He is an asset on SISU's books so they ultimately have to say yes or no.
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Do SISU own Stevenson now and have him on their books? Might want to let the FA know about third party ownership.

Did Joy sell Vincelot too?
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Mar 24, 2017
  • #160
dongonzalos said:
You may want to read my last post. As you are starting to look a bit silly.
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Really? So surely if she gives the nod to say yes, she gave the nod to say no to the offers?

Do you go to games to support CCFC or do you go there to support SISU?
 

letsallsingtogether

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  • Mar 24, 2017
  • #161
OffenhamSkyBlue said:
Can I ask a possibly naïve question? What subjects are they hoping to mediate on? That is, why is there suddenly a need to mediate?

The fact that CCC sold their share in ACL at a knockdown price to Wasps (accepting a lower offer for that part of the business than CCFC had proposed)?
The fact that AEH Trust (let's not they are devoid of any blame in this) sold their share in ACL to Wasps, even though CCFC had offered to buy it?
The fact that CCC have granted permission to develop the AEH Trust's facilities for a training ground for Wasps, thereby making the CCFC Academy homeless?
The fact that CCC have allegedly made numerous attempts to impose planning conditions on development of the BPA that would prevent CCFC from playing there?
The fact that SISU have taken repeated and ongoing legal action against CCC and Wasps to seek recompense for financial losses they perceive they have incurred as a result of illegal use of public funds to support a private enterprise, etc.?

Please enlighten me.
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Well you obviously need enlightening.
It is ok offering to buy something.
You actually need to be serious about it and go out and aquire it.
There's the problem Sisu were never happy with the amount they were willing to offer, so kept holding out for what ever reason and boom they moved away fell out woth everyone and allowed another company to get in.
Not ticket science really
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Mar 24, 2017
  • #162
Nick said:
In which case fair play to Joy for keeping hold of him and turning down the offers in January!



Doubt she even knows who Stevenson is.
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Indeed. But as has been pointed out is this so he can be sold in the summer transfer window when the income is needed most as there's no other income or was it because she's hurting at the prospect of relegation and want's to give us every chance of survival? You could say fair play either way. But let's not make out that she's not aware and sanctioning decisions at the club. Especially financial ones.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Mar 24, 2017
  • #163
skybluetony176 said:
Indeed. But as has been pointed out is this so he can be sold in the summer transfer window when the income is needed most as there's no other income or was it because she's hurting at the prospect of relegation and want's to give us every chance of survival? You could say fair play either way. But let's not make out that she's not aware and sanctioning decisions at the club. Especially financial ones.
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I was clearly joking, rather than actually saying fair play to her

Who has Jon Sharpe dealt with to get the current agreement at the Butts if he won't deal with SISU?
 

olderskyblue

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  • Mar 24, 2017
  • #164
letsallsingtogether said:
Not ticket science really
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Nope, it's definitely not ticket science...
 
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olderskyblue

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  • Mar 24, 2017
  • #165
dongonzalos said:
Bunch of jokers the solution is simple SISU drop the legal action.
Every Cov fan should be asking for that. Why support something that is harming the club and if won wouldn't benefit the club anyway.
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Agree with this bit.

Imagine if they did drop the legals. Wouldn't that then give much more optimism for a successful future for CCFC? and, in a much shorter timescale?

It may not need mediation in that case, and perhaps you might then see an active CCC helping CCFC where they can.

Nick keeps on about blackmail, but wouldn't it be better for CCFC if they did drop it? Much better? Shouldn't he, and others, be backing that?

It would be much better doing it that way rather than call for a mediation that might, or might not, happen or achieve anything

But no, we see a lot of arguments simply ignoring that as an option, and it all has to be about CCC

It does seem at times that some people only care about the future of CCFC if it means that CCC has to do something.
 
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Nick

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  • Mar 24, 2017
  • #166
olderskyblue said:
Agree with this bit.

Imagine if they did drop the legals. Wouldn't that then give much more optimism for a successful future for CCFC? and, in a much shorter timescale?

It may not need mediation in that case, and perhaps you might then see an active CCC helping CCFC where they can.

Nick keeps on about blackmail, but wouldn't it be better for CCFC if they did drop it? Much better? Shouldn't he, and others, be backing that?

It would be much better doing it that way rather than call for a mediation that might, or might not, happen or achieve anything

But no, we see a lot of arguments simply ignoring that as an option, and it all has to be about CCC

It does seem at times that some people only care about the future of CCFC if it means that CCC has to do something.
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My point is that it could lead to it being dropped if they all get around a table couldn't it and they all stop acting like pricks.

It probably wouldn't, but I would bet there's more chance of things getting sorted that way.
 

shmmeee

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  • Mar 24, 2017
  • #167
So, can't be arsed to read the whole thread.

Has anyone worked out what is being mediated yet or are we all still busy frothing at the mouth?
 

Astute

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  • Mar 24, 2017
  • #168
Nick said:
Really? 2 games into the season they suddenly realised nobody was going after a full season and came back?
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Two games into the season Wasps had taken over the Ricoh and there was no chance of SISU getting it. But you know that. You just happened to ignore or not notice that part.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Mar 24, 2017
  • #169
Astute said:
Two games into the season Wasps had taken over the Ricoh and there was no chance of SISU getting it. But you know that. You just happened to ignore or not notice that part.
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I haven't ignored it, you said that they came back because nobody was going? Nobody went in the first season.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Mar 24, 2017
  • #170
olderskyblue said:
Agree with this bit.

Imagine if they did drop the legals. Wouldn't that then give much more optimism for a successful future for CCFC? and, in a much shorter timescale?

It may not need mediation in that case, and perhaps you might then see an active CCC helping CCFC where they can.

Nick keeps on about blackmail, but wouldn't it be better for CCFC if they did drop it? Much better? Shouldn't he, and others, be backing that?

It would be much better doing it that way rather than call for a mediation that might, or might not, happen or achieve anything

But no, we see a lot of arguments simply ignoring that as an option, and it all has to be about CCC

It does seem at times that some people only care about the future of CCFC if it means that CCC has to do something.
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My problem is as much when we went back to the likes of Robinson, Richardson, Elliott, McGinnity, Higgs etc. Confidentiality agreements when Richardson left meant we never knew why our club had been run into the ground, and nothing was tested objectively... so all we were left with was rumour and innuendo.

Now I'm not saying that this particular legal action will provide all (any?) of the answers, but I do think things should be tested if needs be. Something, in all this... doesn't sit right (and yes, I appreciate this particular legal action will probably not get to that - if only we had journalists who actually investigated, rather than just throwing FOI requests in) so I'd like all areas to be tested if needs be. I appreciate that might, in the short term, hurt the club as collateral damage (from all sides) but in the long term, I think it's necessary. Somewhere, from all sides, we need this swept apart so we can start seeing the club as a club, with benefits that can't be measured on a balance sheet, or even in a general strategy of the council (and no, by sayng this, this doesn't mean that we don't need the same from owners either... just to cover the tedious responses )

And yes, I will repeat the blackmail We'll end up in circles and probably have to agree to differ, but I don't understand why any agreement reached by talking can't then be contingent on legal action being dropped anyway. If a deal were good enough for the club/owners, I bet the legal action'd go away...
 
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Captain Dart

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  • Mar 24, 2017
  • #171
Nick said:
CRFC are already dealing with us, there is already a partnership there.
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LOL. a partnership with a company that "will not deal with SISU".
 
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Nick

Administrator
  • Mar 24, 2017
  • #172
Deleted member 5849 said:
And yes, I will repeat the blackmail We'll end up in circles and probably have to agree to differ, but I don't understand why any agreement reached by talking can't then be contingent on legal action being dropped anyway. If a deal were good enough for the club/owners, I bet the legal action'd go away...
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That's the thing, I don't think anybody is saying the council should go to the table and offer millions of tax payers money to build CCFC a stadium and academy. Just go with independents there to see what happens.

It would be a start.
 

Nick

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  • Mar 24, 2017
  • #173
Captain Dart said:
LOL. a partnership with a company that "will not deal with SISU".
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There is though, isn't there?
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 24, 2017
  • #174
Nick said:
I was clearly joking, rather than actually saying fair play to her

Who has Jon Sharpe dealt with to get the current agreement at the Butts if he won't deal with SISU?
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Tim Fisher I would assume. But we're talking about a desk in an office here. I'm sure Tim is allowed to sanction the purchase of paper clips without Joy's say so also. Both are a million miles away from selling an asset or not selling an asset that could be worth tens, hundreds or maybe even millions of pounds. Do you thing Tim has made her aware about redeveloping Ryton yet? Or is he waiting to for her to stop hurting some? Waiting for the opportune moment so to speak. Or maybe, just maybe she's already all too aware of the unfolding situation at Ryton and is in fact the driving force behind it?

You have to remember who has a charge over ALL of our assets. ARVO. Then you have to remember who signs of everything for ARVO. Joy. If you don't think she sanctions player sales one way or another than frankly you are being very naive.
 
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Grendel

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  • Mar 24, 2017
  • #175
sky blue john said:
Lol,
You and Gendall must be extremely gullable and stupid to believe that a championship club who had an average gate of 20,000 fans could go bust twice just because of a £1.2million annual rent.
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The 20,000 fans were paying an average of £10 per head to attend. With no revenues really from other sources the percentage was ridiculously high. Keep kissing the councils backside though.
 
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