SlowerThanPlatt
Well-Known Member
Judging from yesterdays selection, I think it’s clear Robins doesn’t rate/trust O’Brien as much and Burge is firmly the number one goalkeeper as many expected him to be dropped for his mistake last week
Judging from yesterdays selection, I think it’s clear Robins doesn’t rate/trust O’Brien as much and Burge is firmly the number one goalkeeper as many expected him to be dropped for his mistake last week
What about the kick he took for our goal.My old Nan would do a better job. Get Willis to take the kicks job done.
Shane she croaked it in 1982!
Yet he trusted him enough to face a premier league side?
I think MR was happy with the reaction in training this week from a Burge to continue with a settled back 5 and believe his confidence was back tho this wasn't evident early in the first half.
Plenty of if buts and maybes between Burge and O'Brien.
Yes he played because he’s getting no game time in the league, he hasn’t played since. He’s also played the majority of games in the cup competitions. Burge was straight in after
Burge has played 26 games this season (23 in the league)
O’Brien has played 8 games this season (4 in the league)
I’m not sure how can anyone can question that Robins doesn’t rate Burge higher as a goalkeeper. Neither keeper has been injured, they have been available for selection every week
Burge has played 26 games this season (23 in the league)
O’Brien has played 8 games this season (4 in the league)
I’m not sure how can anyone can question that Robins doesn’t rate Burge higher as a goalkeeper. Neither keeper has been injured, they have been available for selection every week
I do think we can question that Robins rates Burge higher.Yes he played because he’s getting no game time in the league, he hasn’t played since. He’s also played the majority of games in the cup competitions so this was Robins just being fair IMO. Burge was straight in after
Burge has played 26 games this season (23 in the league)
O’Brien has played 8 games this season (4 in the league)
I’m not sure how can anyone can question that Robins doesn’t rate Burge higher as a goalkeeper. Neither keeper has been injured, they have been available for selection every week
Two points I'd like to make, 1 you suggest Robins doesn't rate/trust him as high as Lee Burge.... yet he's trusted against a premier league opposition. So I'd beg to differ your thoughts there if Robins lacked faith tho I'm not disputing who should be No1
2nd the thread was set up to see people's thought on who should start yesterday's game as it was Lee Burges confidence I brought into question not his ability or who's the better No1.
O'Brien started the season due to Burges injury, started well but made two quick fire errors. Burge came in and did a good job to rightfully keep the shirt after keeping 3 clean sheets and being value for the No1 spot. It's from this point he's retained No1 status and generally been safe hands this year in L2.
I'd like to reiterate it's his confidence that was questioned this last week after a huge costly error and further disappointing decisions in the game.
I do think we can question that Robins rates Burge higher.
O'Brien came in, started off well, but then made two howlers in a row that cost us major points and was rightly dropped. Burge has since kept his place.
I dare say if Burge made two dreadful howlers in a row then Burge would be dropped and O'Brien would be back in.
I do think what you have said is just assumption and there is no proof at all that Robins rates Burge higher.
He started that game because he’s played the majority of games in the cup competitions so Robins was just being fair and using his two goalkeepers. He hasn’t played since the Stoke game which backs up my point
Tis an assumption though.I disagree here Otis
It’s not an assumption. It’s a fact - Robins has chosen to select Burge over O’Brien 25 times this season in the league. Robins’ remit is to get the club promoted and in doing so will select the side he feels is the strongest and gives us the best chance of that
Tis an assumption though.
Is Willis or Davies better than McDonald? This is the way football works. You get your chance in the team and if you do well you keep your place. You do badly you are dropped.
O'Brien was dropped for two consecutive clangers. Burge made one last week. This week he didn't.
If Burge was making howlers then surely O'Brien would be back in.
I would say McDonald is our best defender, but he is being kept out because the other two are playing so well, not because they are better players.
That's how football works. You get the chance, you do well, you stay in.
Robins might well rate both keepers on an even keel.
He hasn't made howlers that have cost us games lately past that one last week.The general consensus on here though is that Burge hasn’t been playing well and that’s hes terrible and flaps at every high ball?
So why is he staying in the team? Is he playing well then?
He hasn't made howlers that have cost us games lately past that one last week.
O'Brien made two complete howlers in a row. That is the difference.
O'Brien cost us two games in a row. Burge cost us the game last week. Had he cost us the game yesterday too he would undoubtedly have been dropped.
The general consensus on here though is that Burge hasn’t been playing well and that’s hes terrible and flaps at every high ball?
So why is he staying in the team? Is he playing well then?
I'm really sorry and not being argumentative but your point is flawed.
Burge played in the first 2 fa cup games not O'Brien, like Burge played in the 1st checkatrade trophy game when O'Brien had the shirt. Robins rotates when the time is right and trusts both.
Burge clearly has No1 status currently due to the run he put together keeping clean sheets, but to suggest he's don't rate or trust O'Brien is crazy.
Robins then looked to keep some consistency prior to the 1st and 2nd fa cup rounds with team selections keeping Burge in after the sides indifferent form which paid off in December.
As Otis said two back to back costly errors I'm sure O'Brien would be in.
No, cos it just doesn't work like that. I think it was the two howlers in a row that both cost us the games that resulted in O'Brien being dropped.Okay. So if O’Brien cost us two games in a row and has made 2 costly mistakes in 4 games whilst Burge has made 2 costly mistakes in 23 games would you not agree Robins would trust Burge more as his goalkeeper to gain promotion based on their performances this season?
I was sat right by the goal.. there was about 4 attempts on goal, a right old scramble, Willis blocked one of them but two of them were blocked by good saves by Burge & then there was just a mass of feet swinging.
you dislike burge, thats fair enough, but unfair too try and twist it & say he didnt make those saves today. In fact he made a good few saves today... maybe why he got man of the match.. just a thought
Okay. So if O’Brien cost us two games in a row and has made 2 costly mistakes in 4 games whilst Burge has made 2 costly mistakes in 23 games would you not agree Robins would trust Burge more as his goalkeeper to gain promotion based on their performances this season?
And can I just flip this on its head a minute.
When O'Brien came in, if he had not made the dreadful mistakes and had continued to have played reasonably well do you honestly think MR would have dropped him?
He would have surely kept his place. Would that then mean O'Brien is better than Burge?
But I am saying he was only dropped because he made two mistakes back to back.He did make the mistakes though? You can’t say *if he didn’t* to defend him. He has made them and will probably spend the rest of the league campaign on the bench barring injury
*If* Biamou could add 20 goals to his game he’d be playing in the Championship.
Lots of ifs and buts. To answer the question though, yes it would make him a better goalkeeper in the managers eyes as the manager picks his strongest team.
But I am saying he was only dropped because he made two mistakes back to back.
If he was going to be making those sorts of mistakes regularly we wouldn't have brought him in, in the first place. Robins obviously rated him enough to bring him in.
If he was that bad of a keeper we wouldn't have touched him with a barge pole.
He made two bad errors in a row and was rightly dropped. If Burge had made two bad errors in a row he would have been dropped too.
Burge has the number one jersey for now. Willis and Davies have the CB places nailed for now.
That doesn't mean that Burge is more highly rather than O'Brien or that Davies and Willis are both better than McDonald.
We seem to be going round in circles, so we will have to agree to disagree.
Robins has given no indication that he rates Burge higher than O'Brien and it was the same last season with Burge and RCC.
If we manage to get out of this wretched league, both will have to be out of the door in the summer. Remember Burge last season? Totally out of his depth and wasn’t alone.
Him, a few others, the owners, pigs and whistles too!RCC was much worse last season, hence why Burge took the shirt and kept it.
Whether he is or isn't good enough for L1 I'm not sure, but he certainly wasn't the reason we were relegated.
RCC was much worse last season, hence why Burge took the shirt and kept it.
Whether he is or isn't good enough for L1 I'm not sure, but he certainly wasn't the reason we were relegated.
Anyone seen McNulty's tweet earlier regarding Lee Burge? My son showed me earlier.
Seems even the players have some banter with him
...I’m guessing all the players have banter with eachother?
He is without doubt not good enough for league 1 unless we are planning to be relegated again.
It’s not that big an issue now as we have a defence that are good enough for league 1. We need a real goalkeeper next season and that’s neither of the two we have.
You over look one fact, he is part of that defence.
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