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For the players we have, a 4-3-3 would make more sense
We will see over time if this is the case I suppose. Still seems to me he is trying to Southgate his way through away games.
For the players we have, a 4-3-3 would make more senseDon’t really disagree with that in regards to wide. But from the match Bristol dominated the match from just breaking out high press due to the low line the defence held.
One of my big points of advocacy for the 4-4-2 is how compact it’ll make our team in defence where as a 4-2-3-1 is always a bit too heavy.
Also the beauty of modern football is how fluid it can be. So playing a 4-4-2 with inverted wingers doesn’t mean that if we’re struggling through the middle we can’t push out wide when needed.
I actually think how we attack at the moment is a big problem because we’re so predictable. We either passed it out wide and looked for the overlapped or tried to use the Channels for simms. We’ve got to be able to mix it up to disrupt teams defence gameplay.
We will see over time if this is the case I suppose. Still seems to me he is trying to Southgate his way through away games.He has said consistently that the players are not being brave on the ball and doing what's asked of them
I think he wants to play attacking football now
We will get there
I think it's a but disingenuous to tag on games from the end of last season, especially as I'm convinced the cup run had a huge affect on league form.
However, there are clearly issues from the 3 league games so far this season that need ironing out.
not really sure I agree when the vast majority of the starting 11 were here last season.
This is not a new team anymore
Has anyone worked out what this new style is? Because I'm not seeing anything different.Robins clearly wants to play a new brand of football, as shown by the Oxford game and also pre-season and an interview with Eccles where he literally says we are implementing a new style and when the fans see it they’re gonna be buzzing or something like that.
It takes time to adapt, we dont just have the new signings to gel in but the eest of the squad to gel as well as changing systems takes time, we saw what it can do at home, but it seems away from home we’re not implementing it properly yet.
Give the boys time we know what they can do
It’s our weakest part of the pitch with Eccles and Torp at the moment, which causes problems at both ends.I mean, either way, we've got stuff that needs sorting.
We've got a soft underbelly, particularly in midfield, and that's my biggest concern.
We haven’t really shown any signs of a new style in either away game so far. If we’re trying to do that they either the players aren’t listening to Robins or Robins is struggling to get his idea across.Robins clearly wants to play a new brand of football, as shown by the Oxford game and also pre-season and an interview with Eccles where he literally says we are implementing a new style and when the fans see it they’re gonna be buzzing or something like that.
It takes time to adapt, we dont just have the new signings to gel in but the eest of the squad to gel as well as changing systems takes time, we saw what it can do at home, but it seems away from home we’re not implementing it properly yet.
Give the boys time we know what they can do
This isn't a disastrous start. Sheaf is out. Rudoni didn't play last season and Sakamoto isn't going to be firing yet. There have been under par performances without question, but this isn't as bad a start as some are making it out to be. We don't have an automatic right to be top six and it isn't about being up there now it's about being there after 46 matches. It's the same for all clubs in that division. We're not favourites to go up and why should we be ?9 of the 10 starting outfield players were with us last season
the gelling excuse is rubbish
We’ve won 2 of our last 11 league games
It seems to be quicker attacks with wingbacks advancing, and diagonal balls out, I noticed a few times at Oxford where instead of passing 1 by 1 in the defence at the halfway line we seemed to sometimes skip that and just ping a pass out wide. There are elements of the old style as well such as the control of possession, but we seem to want to get forward more. In easier terms transition from a control possession wing play into a vertical Robins TakaHas anyone worked out what this new style is? Because I'm not seeing anything different.
I remember Robins saying in preseason that he wanted to get more players forward and more goals from midfield, but the double pivot is still miles away from the attack.It seems to be quicker attacks with wingbacks advancing, and diagonal balls out, I noticed a few times at Oxford where instead of passing 1 by 1 in the defence at the halfway line we seemed to sometimes skip that and just ping a pass out wide. There are elements of the old style as well such as the control of possession, but we seem to want to get forward more. In easier terms transition from a control possession wing play into a vertical Robins Taka
He always does and then finds a wayJust stating a fact Pete. MR is adopting safety first tactics yet we concede in essentially every game.
Wouldn’t mind a 4-3-3 and to be fair that’s what I thought we’d start after the Everton match. Don’t really understand why we’ve gone back to a 4-2-3-1 which doesn’t look like it’s working for us but it’s early days, easy for fans to say what we think but hard for coaches as they have to do the work.For the players we have, a 4-3-3 would make more sense
We will see over time if this is the case I suppose. Still seems to me he is trying to Southgate his way through away games.
Course it is and all the other teams are new toonot really sure I agree when the vast majority of the starting 11 were here last season.
This is not a new team anymore
He always does and then finds a way
If you want a different manager then fine but he’s done pretty well so far for us
Doug won’t need to much of an excuse to say he’s had investment and needs to be doing better let’s at least look at 10 games in
Course it is and all the other teams are new too
New competition
New season
We go again
Obsession!!!!! Lolwhat is your obsession with assuming people want robins gone for criticism?
I haven’t said anywhere that I want the manager gone. If anything it’s because I really don’t want to see his time here culminate as Southgate’s did with EnglandHe always does and then finds a way
If you want a different manager then fine but he’s done pretty well so far for us
Doug won’t need to much of an excuse to say he’s had investment and needs to be doing better let’s at least look at 10 games in
Agreed, I think thats why we are looking for another CM one more dynamic, Sheaf albeit very slow actually gets up and down a lot, so we miss him so much.I remember Robins saying in preseason that he wanted to get more players forward and more goals from midfield, but the double pivot is still miles away from the attack.
Lolapart from rudoni and dovin all the players who started yesterday were with us last season so how is it a new team? the gelling excuse cant be used anymore
Wouldn’t mind a 4-3-3 and to be fair that’s what I thought we’d start after the Everton match. Don’t really understand why we’ve gone back to a 4-2-3-1 which doesn’t look like it’s working for us but it’s early days, easy for fans to say what we think but hard for coaches as they have to do the work.
Think for context most fans love Robins and would never want him gone in a million years. But it’s frustrating that he never starts right and takes sometime to work it out from his squad.He always does and then finds a way
If you want a different manager then fine but he’s done pretty well so far for us
Doug won’t need to much of an excuse to say he’s had investment and needs to be doing better let’s at least look at 10 games in
He didn’t do badI haven’t said anywhere that I want the manager gone. If anything it’s because I really don’t want to see his time here culminate as Southgate’s did
I love that about himThink for context most fans love Robins and would never want him gone in a million years. But it’s frustrating that he never starts right and takes sometime to work it out from his squad.
Last year we started with a 5-3-2 till we dropped it for a 4-2-3-1. League one we started a bit average until we moved to the 5-2-2-1. League two we struggle until we moved to the 4-2-4.
Didn’t break through the glass ceiling eitherHe didn’t do bad
We to be fair don’t have the same amount of coaches as other championship teams even with the four. I think robins just struggles initially to move on from an idea when it’s not working. When we do move shape I think we’ll start to click and be the attacking team we were all talking about pre season.is too many coaches a factor in this?
Love that he finds a way. Just wish we could go from pre season.I love that about him
He works out a way as it doesn’t come easy
I wonder if other teams are looking at how to counter us and so that’s part of what needs a response
Don’t really disagree with that in regards to wide. But from the match Bristol dominated the match from just breaking out high press due to the low line the defence held.
One of my big points of advocacy for the 4-4-2 is how compact it’ll make our team in defence where as a 4-2-3-1 is always a bit too heavy.
Also the beauty of modern football is how fluid it can be. So playing a 4-4-2 with inverted wingers doesn’t mean that if we’re struggling through the middle we can’t push out wide when needed.
I actually think how we attack at the moment is a big problem because we’re so predictable. We either passed it out wide and looked for the overlapped or tried to use the Channels for simms. We’ve got to be able to mix it up to disrupt teams defence gameplay.
The thing is with this is that we’d probably only need to work on a 1 out then 1 in basis, (other than if it doesnt happen a RB and CM) so it wouldnt be a huge rebuild we’re in control as the players are tied down on deals, we sell when we want not when another club or the player wantsMy main concern is that if we don’t go up this season, the following one will be yet another rebuild job.
I don't know why we abandoned the new midfield shape so quick - maybe when Sheaf is back it will return.Also the fact we’ve reverted back to the 4231 means to me Palmer should be starting in the CAM spot, he is the most creative and flair-style player we have, and he showed it in his cameo.
We didnt play a double pivot in pre-season which is how we implemented the style as we has 2 players right up there allowing options for Simms to layoff to or recieve from (Same for those out wide).
Just a little patience is all thats is needee, the performances have been shite and we still have started the season better than the last 2, we’re notoriously slow starters. Its not starts that win you leagues or promotion its the middle and end. Look at Burnley’s last title win, look at Man City in the PL, at the end of the day I trust in MR to get us ticking PUSB
“It’s not that out there a suggestion”it’s not that out there a suggestion, particularly given we have players who could play that second striker role, but still drop into a 10 or even wide if necessary to change tactics / formation mid game, eg EMC, BTA, Wright…
and playing Sheaf and Rudoni in midfield should be fairly balanced, shouldn’t it?
I don’t think there’s a one size fits all though, and that’s the biggest query I have over the last half season or so, we don’t generally seem to change anything to counteract who we are playing, it’s the same formation, same players and nothing even changes early enough mid game if it’s not going right. We need to be flexible, and given the players we now have that shouldn’t be a problem
I think he’s realising Allen torp and maybe Eccles are just not good enoughI don't know why we abandoned the new midfield shape so quick - maybe when Sheaf is back it will return.
That is my hope, and I think people underestimate how much Sheaf helps the organisation, he’s a natural leader and we will see it when he’s back. We take his qualities for granted, I even thought if we let him go fir a lot of money its fine as we have Eccles but boy how much my opinion has changed nowI don't know why we abandoned the new midfield shape so quick - maybe when Sheaf is back it will return.
Made me really want an understudy for him as another singing. If he is the only player Robins thinks can play that role that we have to change tactical shape, we need a new player to cover him.That is my hope, and I think people underestimate how much Sheaf helps the organisation, he’s a natural leader and we will see it when he’s back. We take his qualities for granted, I even thought if we let him go fir a lot of money its fine as we have Eccles but boy how much my opinion has changed now
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