Just like I am supposed to believe that those voting remain were supposed to know what they were voting for. Both sides were lied to. Some on both sides would have fallen for it.Except I never made that statement. This thread has numerous posts stating that those who voted leave knew exactly what brexit meant and exactly what they were and won't voting for.
Yes.....not going to war.Well as voting remain meant things staying the same it wasn't too hard to work out.
Voting remain was voting for things to stay the same. I think most people can cope with working out what that means.Just like I am supposed to believe that those voting remain were supposed to know what they were voting for.
When did Cameron actually say we would be going to war if we voted leave? I remember Junker making some weird comment about it and I remember Cameron giving a speech which had something about not being sure beyond any doubt that peace and stability wouldn't be affected by a leave vote. Not really the same thing as saying vote leave mean WWIII.Yes.....not going to war.
The stock market didn't crash. It went down for a small amount of time then went straight back up. It wasn't a crash at all.
Inflation isn't rising sharply. Some prices are going up. Others are going down. Just like they do these days.
Financial services leaving? Just a guess. No proof in the slightest. Just like car makers were supposed to pull out. But new models have recently been announced.
I agree with you on the Cameron lies though.
So everyone knew exactly what vote leave meant but two of the most high profile figures of the leave campaign, Farage and Johnson, had totally different views.
Has there ever been a more blatant lie than the official vote leave bus having £350m to the NHS plastered down the side of it. We don't even send £350m a week for a start, its less than £250m and then if you account for what the EU spends in the UK it comes down to around £136m a week. I'm struggling to think of a bigger outright lie that has been told in any campaign.
So what is gold and real estate?The reason the stock market has risen is that there is no other viable investment to be made. There is no institution paying interest so the stock market is the pretty much the only place to put your money.
According to the Treasury are gross contribution is £17.8bn (£342m a week).Bollocks. We pay £55 million a day so it's £375m a week actually. We get 21m back so net its £34m a day we pay which is 10 billion a year. Get your facts right before you tell others they are lying please.
If what most that is being said on here is true yesSo everyone on the leave side didnt know what they voted for and everyone on the remain side did. Right got it.
Again thats not what is being said but surely, as a generalisation, its easier for people to know what is meant but things staying exactly as they are versus taking a leap into the unknown.So everyone on the leave side didnt know what they voted for and everyone on the remain side did. Right got it.
What figures have you got then? Mine are from HM Treasury:Much better post and very informative but simply not the facts and figures I have front of me. We will just have to disagree unless your jean Claude juncker?
That gives you a net of £7.1bn or £136m a week.
So everyone on the leave side didnt know what they voted for and everyone on the remain side did. Right got it.
How many nurses would that pay for?
How many homeless people would it house?
How many pints of beer would it buy me?
I am genuinely interested in what people actually voted for because both sides conducting the debate at a national level were appalling.
From your point of view did you simply vote to leave as per the question on the paper? If that is the case then no negotiation is required. Serve article 50 and adopt World Trade Organisation rules. End of clear cut and out. This will be the default position if we cannot successfully negotiate.
Or did you vote for something that is between what we have today and and WTO rules? Something that will require negotiation. If that is the case what would that look like?
We are seriously in debt and the debt is growing. So it depends what you mean by affordable.Sorry but its not quite a simple as that. What mainly pays for all of our services is the Tax revenue that the treasury receives. That number dwarfs the contribution. You have to examine the impact of being outside , or having partial access to the single market and what that does to the money coming in to the treasury coffers. That will dictate what this country can and cannot afford to do.
The beer equation would be an interest experiment though.
Only Germany pays in more than us. And they sell a lot more to other EU countries than they buy.Interestingly the telegraph graph shows we pay more and get less than most other countries. Poland no wonder they love the EU they get a lot more out than they put in. Now that's a deal.
It says that we make 3 types of payments into the pot. How many did you count?What figures have you got then? Mine are from HM Treasury:
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploa...83344/EU_finances_2015_final_web_09122015.pdf
So everyone on the leave side didnt know what they voted for and everyone on the remain side did. Right got it.
When are you going to admit that mixed messages were coming from both sides. Both sides had the liars and those being more truthful. But it is the lies most remembered.Problem was that there were a lot of mixed messages coming out of the leave campaign. The biggest one being the single market. Boris and Gove were miles apart on this. Did people vote out based on what Gove was saying or on what Boris was saying?
They're the same figures but they've done some rounding up and also included the aid we give via the EU however if we weren't in the EU we'd still give that aid, just directly not via the EU so I'm not sure you can really include that in the calculation.
Coming tomorrow after election results are in.and the resulting war.
The answer to all three is lots! Problem is its not that straightforward. That figure is just what we pay in - what we take out. It doesn't account for any economic impact of being members of the EU. That's where the real debate should have been.How many nurses would that pay for?
How many homeless people would it house?
How many pints of beer would it buy me?
There was a thing on the radio today saying a poll in the US had shown 42% of people intending to vote for Trump believe he will start a nuclear war! Why the hell are they voting for him then???Coming tomorrow after election results are in.
When are you going to admit that mixed messages were coming from both sides. Both sides had the liars and those being more truthful. But it is the lies most remembered.
I am still waiting for the catastrophic result from the leave vote and the resulting war.
When you won't admit that people voted remain because of the scare tactics used by Cameron and Co?When are you going to realise that people voted out because they wanted change and people voted remain because they wanted no change.
This is one I found interesting. Was always fun to ask leave voters which particular EU laws they were opposed to and see what response you got.leaving the rules the EU imposes on us
When you won't admit that people voted remain because of the scare tactics used by Cameron and Co?
It is me that has said all along that lies were told by both sides and some would have voted in favour of what they heard. You have said that whatever was said those that were voting remain changed their minds but those voting leave were not scared into voting remain because they knew what remain meant.
One sided views or what.
Said it once then attacked those that voted differently to yourself countless times you mean?I said put the BS to one side from both sides. Is that not an admitting both sides bullshited?
This is one I found interesting. Was always fun to ask leave voters which particular EU laws they were opposed to and see what response you got.
And of course there's the Norway thing. Norway aren't part of the EU and were held up as a good way forward to us yet their countries law adopts pretty much every EU law as otherwise it would impact their ability to trade.
Said it once then attacked those that voted differently to yourself countless times you mean?
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