skybluetony176
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Because they chose not to use the EU protocols like we did. Hungary used the same protocols we did to buy the Sputnik vaccine from Russia.
Because they chose not to use the EU protocols like we did. Hungary used the same protocols we did to buy the Sputnik vaccine from Russia.I wonder why the EU wanted to steal our vaccines then.
Hoorah, no longer will Europe force us to eat hormone infused beef,UK halts trade negotiations with Canada over hormones in beef ban
Talks aimed at extending an EU-era deal broke down over Britain's ban on hormone-treated meat.www.bbc.co.uk
8 years since 2016.How many years has it been now since the vote ?
What a massive cock up , would never vote leave if I could vote again
How many years has it been now since the vote ?
What a massive cock up , would never vote leave if I could vote again
The Tories have never been for the man on the street. The problem is millions benefitted from rising house prices making them think they were rich so thought that the Tories benefitted them. Reality has hit home.If the government spent as much time trying to sort out our issues as they do infighting and trying to tell us how brexit was great and what a wonderful job they're doing we wouldn't be in half this mess .
They have no interest in serving the people which is what they were elected to do. In or out, this party shouldn't be anywhere near government for another 20 years.
If only there were people telling you it would be a massive cock up heyWhat a massive cock up , would never vote leave if I could vote again
I just wish people could see both sides of the story. But most never will. They are so entrenched in their thoughts that they will never look at or consider the other side.If only there were people telling you it would be a massive cock up hey
TV program?Just watch out the Americans!
I’ve been saying this for years, they spend all their time working out how best to fool and mislead the people with absolutely no effort spent on how best to help them.If the government spent as much time trying to sort out our issues as they do infighting and trying to tell us how brexit was great and what a wonderful job they're doing we wouldn't be in half this mess .
They have no interest in serving the people which is what they were elected to do. In or out, this party shouldn't be anywhere near government for another 20 years.
No I think you’re absolutely right on not seeing both sides of the story, it’s a huge problem with the world today especially for example in the US, but UK too. It doesn’t matter what anyone does it’s either “that’s my team so he’s right and that’s your team so he’s wrong”.I just wish people could see both sides of the story. But most never will. They are so entrenched in their thoughts that they will never look at or consider the other side.
The world is run by idiots who are only interested in what benefits themselves. The vast majority of people in the world suffer the consequences of their actions.
I'm now at my happiest ever. Where we live is like 40 years or more ago in the UK where everyone helps everyone. We never lock our doors. No need to. Everyone's against the government but know there's nothing better on the other sides. Most people grow their own food and just leave bags of what they don't need to neighbours without announcing it. Got a problem? The community are there to help whatever. We as outsiders couldn't have been made more welcome. It's community spirit that makes life so much better. Those with plenty are seen the same as those without. No class wars. But all with the same view of all politicians are untrustworthy.No I think you’re absolutely right on not seeing both sides of the story, it’s a huge problem with the world today especially for example in the US, but UK too. It doesn’t matter what anyone does it’s either “that’s my team so he’s right and that’s your team so he’s wrong”.
That ultimately massively undermines democracy because the real key issues need to be solved across the aisle, but there’s no bi-partisanship at all and we just have this weird political tribalism which stops any progress on key issues.
Democracy thrives on debate, discussion and compromise
I think it’s a personal thing for a lot of people too though - just take a look at some of the recent threads on here where there’s a mere suggestion people might have been in the wrong or biased at some point. Literally can’t even handle the possibility. How are people like they going to agree with anything that a political party they haven’t historically voted for suggests, or even people in the middle?
But it’s not a mistake. Historically when class divides get a bit spicey, it’s either time to unite against a common enemy, or time to divide and conquer
Pretty sure if I left my apartment unlocked we'd be robbed within the hour - can still get a cauliflower for less than €2 though.Of course not everyone in France has found a mini slice of heaven like @Astute
The French, as a people, are currently even more divided & polarised than the Brits......
£0.90 for one in Aldi last night TBFPretty sure if I left my apartment unlocked we'd be robbed within the hour - can still get a cauliflower for less than €2 though.
tbf they thought you were a Brexiteer because you said:Remember when most thought I was a brexiteer for trying to look at both sides and stating the lies from both sides?
The main reason I am voting leave is for my younger children. I have seen the difference on what it was like for my eldest and what sort of future it looks like for my youngest. The elder ones had no problem buying their own places. The younger ones have more problems finding somewhere to rent than the older ones did buying somewhere. Then I hear that we should blame those for the lack of housing being built that want our vote to stay in the EU.
I would most probably be no worse off staying in the EU personally. But there are times where you do the right things for others. And it is easy as I am doing it for my kids.
I want out of the EU. And there are many reasons why. The economists say we will be in trouble if we leave. Would anyone be surprised if they got it wrong again? After all they are more interested in their own interests than ours.
If only there were people telling you it would be a massive cock up hey
Same last week. Problem was it was all cauli and no flower and it’s been like that for months. By the time we took all the leaves off there was fuck all there, barely 2 portions. We have to buy 2 as a family of four. In the good old days we used to be able to use half on a Saturday in an aloo gobi and have plenty left over for the Sunday roast. Shrinkflation. Even if you get the larger more expensive ones from Sainsbury’s or Tescos they ain’t a lot bigger. I guarantee when you buy a cauliflower on the continent pound for pound it will be cheaper than a cauliflower in the UK.£0.90 for one in Aldi last night TBF
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Same last week. Problem was it was all cauli and no flower and it’s been like that for months. By the time we took all the leaves off there was fuck all there, barely 2 portions. We have to buy 2 as a family of four. In the good old days we used to be able to use half on a Saturday in an aloo gobi and have plenty left over for the Sunday roast. Shrinkflation. Even if you get the larger more expensive ones from Sainsbury’s or Tescos they ain’t a lot bigger. I guarantee when you buy a cauliflower on the continent pound for pound it will be cheaper than a cauliflower in the UK.
why’s that then, because JLR made a buck or two?Id still vote leave if I was asked again
The French cities are on a par with cities in the UK.Of course not everyone in France has found a mini slice of heaven like @Astute
The French, as a people, are currently even more divided & polarised than the Brits......
I kept swinging both ways. But you won't look at the ones afterwards because they don't say what you want them to.tbf they thought you were a Brexiteer because you said:
The Tories have never been for the man on the street. The problem is millions benefitted from rising house prices making them think they were rich so thought that the Tories benefitted them. Reality has hit home.
Remember when most thought I was a brexiteer for trying to look at both sides and stating the lies from both sides? This was even though I shipped my wife and youngest 3 kids out to France to beat Brexit.
The part I said about our contributions were desperately needed has certainly been shown to be true. It has hardly made the headlines in the UK though which has surprised me. The whole of France and most of Europe has become badly affected by the farmers protesting. It only really reached the UK in the news when Paris was brought to a standstill. But it has been going on for a bit. We have a motorway 20 minutes away. It's closed because the farmers lit fires that wrecked the road surface. It's the same right through France. It's happening right through Europe now.
Food prices are getting stupid. The cheapest I've seen a cauliflower for ages is €4.50. They go up to €10 each at times. But thel farmers get €0.70 each. Meat? Lucky to get anything for less than €10 a kilo. And now their subsidies are being taken away. Now having to pay full price for their diesel. Subsidies lost that helped the farmers sell so cheaply. And that's right through Europe.
It isn't rosy right through the EU. Both sides pumped out their chests saying 'you need me more than I need you.' It's become a shitfest on both sides.
The EU? Constantly held to ransom by Hungary. Nothing gets through because they use their veto on everything. High unemployment and low wages. Even the price of used cars are now extortionate. Bought the wife one last summer. 2k max in the UK. I had to pay €7,500 for a 17 year old car. Can't remember the last time we went to a supermarket and the bill was less than €200.
But wine and beer very cheap stillThe better weather means lower heating bills. Our equivalent of council tax €550 on a house that would be thousands in the UK. Bought a lovely home with over an acre of land plus 2 parcels of woodland for less than a parking space in London. My daughter and her partner have found a nice 4 bed home for €55,000 but know they can do better so the search continues. Not being saddled with a massive debt that takes most of your working life to pay off for somewhere to live pays for the other high costs.
You show me someone who says it's only been a shitfest for one side and I'll show you a liar.
Swings and roundabouts. I said both sides would come to their senses eventually. Hopefully I was right.
You said "Remember when most thought I was a brexiteer". Well, that's why, when you give unequivocal answers about 'I am voting leave' 'I want out of the EU'. That's why! Don't try and spin it as people have somehow unfairly tarnished you, just own it! You're not alone in changing your mind, but others don't need the arrogance suggesting you can look objectively while others can't.I kept swinging both ways. But you won't look at the ones afterwards because they don't say what you want them to.
With the amount of shite you have just come out with you have shown that you should be part of the remain side. You would blend in nicely.
Where did you get that from?
I always planned on living in France when I retired. Why would I have stopped what I wanted to do since I was 17?
The problem that you and several others have with me is I always look at all options/opinions even when my mind is made up 100%. You're not supposed to try and have a debate on here because the same old people show up and do a tag team attack.
Put into pockets?You said "Remember when most thought I was a brexiteer". Well, that's why, when you give unequivocal answers about 'I am voting leave' 'I want out of the EU'. That's why! Don't try and spin it as people have somehow unfairly tarnished you, just own it! You're not alone in changing your mind, but others don't need the arrogance suggesting you can look objectively while others can't.
You also come up with black and white yourself, such as this:
You're putting others in pockets.
Changed your mind, but if it suits to deny, deny!
Italy’s main problem is corruption which has long been a problem since the EU and has nothing to do with the EU. There’s also large numbers of refugees, of course, which has nothing to do with the EU.Put into pockets?
For my children and the way things were going being out of the EU would have benefitted them. This is true still. Work all your life to pay for a house. And that's if you can get a mortgage. Neither Labour or the Tories saw enough houses being built. Both saw council house sales go through the roof. I feel sorry for the younger generations.
The lies that come from both sides made it impossible to work out what was best. Concentrate on one side and you knew which side you would vote. But when you started looking at the details if you could ignore the housing shortages and the underfunded schools, hospitals crowded roads and much more then remain was the best bet.
It's like you will never consider the damage Hungary is now doing to the EU. The 1 vote veto was supposed to be a good thing. That was another problem I got shouted down for. All the countries shouldn't be held to ransom but there again working out a better formula would be impossible.
Remain edged it for me but my younger children's future? They were better off out of the UK whichever way the vote went. Those with their own home are better off with remain. Those coming up to the age of purchasing a home better off out for affordability.
There should have been a halfway agreement for FOM. Move if you have a job to go to or funds to keep yourself. But it's become a shitfest here. Ask our Italian resident. Strangely enough he never mentions it. Freedom of movement is creating major problems but we love to ignore it.
With the possible exception of Ireland.The truth is that outside of the UK no one gives a shit about Brexit these days.
True but from a wider EU perspective it’s in the past now.With the possible exception of Ireland.
why’s that then, because JLR made a buck or two?
or was it one of the other countless incredible benefits we’ve seen?
So the problems being caused by the large amount of refugees is nothing to do with the EU?Italy’s main problem is corruption which has long been a problem since the EU and has nothing to do with the EU. There’s also large numbers of refugees, of course, which has nothing to do with the EU.
After Brexit, even the most eurosceptic politicians have abandoned calls to leave the Euro
As I’ve said before, as an EU citizen to get residency and access healthcare here you need to have a job that pays over a certain amount. This option was available to the UK but it didn’t bother to implement it.
The truth is that outside of the UK no one gives a shit about Brexit these days.
And then fucked off to France to beat Brexittbf they thought you were a Brexiteer because you said:
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