Ok. How much do you think they would rent the stadium to CCFC for?
How about new owner buys Wasps and then buys CCFC? CCFC play for free and get all revenues, Wasps get charged £1.3pa rent and have to pay the bonds.Hypothetical scenario now... SISU bought the Ricoh and charge CCFC £1.3m p.a. rent! Would that be ok in everybodies mind? If not How the fuck do CCFC go on rent strike..... Take your time guys, I've got all night!
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How about new owner buys Wasps and then buys CCFC? CCFC play for free and get all revenues, Wasps get charged £1.3pa rent and have to pay the bonds.
Don't think you'd find anyone argue with that!
How about SISU just fuck off on the same boat as Wasps!
Do people want SISU to pump more money in and be in debt to them?
Will people be OK with SISU wanting every penny back?
I don't really want to be in any more debt to them.
And your point is ? Yes tenants instead of landlords of which the club could have been , You know the intelligence of people who think their big and clever on here does leave a lot tobe desired .so we'd have been tenants to a dodgy landlord who didn't give two fucks about the club, whereas now............
To break this cycle you have to invest and pump some money in. So whilst break even is commendable it's also not particularly realistic.
They came back because their plan to get the Ricoh went badly wrong.And came back because it wasn't sustainable.
Do you ever do it yourself?Do you like answerig a question with a question?
And your point is ? Yes tenants instead of landlords of which the club could have been , You know the intelligence of people who think their big and clever on here does leave a lot tobe desired .
What the fuck are you on about now you utter cretin?
And if you're going to question peoples intelligence, make sure the post you're doing it in isn't littered with appalling punctuation and grammar.
I applaud Sisu for getting the club on an even keel with its day to day running costs and feel that if other owners had done the same thing then maybe we would never have built up such a huge debt, however what this self sufficiency doesn't take in to account is that we potentially don't have a ground to play on, an academy to groom players and no assets to speak of unless we unearth a Lionel Messi in the next few months.
Breaking even at this time is a red herring, just like if we had won some games on the pitch like last year. It does not change the picture at all, nothing does.
So why didn't they do it when they had the chance ?but sisu would then have access to all of the associated benefits of the stadium, it wouldn't make sense to hamstring the club as the bigger attendances would be worth far more them in terms of F&B, car parking, hospitality etc.
So why didn't they do it when they had the chance ?
Nobody wanted the stadium at the price or terms available when SISU were sniffing around.because they wanted it for next to nothing? I've given up trying to fathom out the reasoning behind anything they do to be honest.
Has anyone actually gone through the accounts of all the league one clubs? With the FFP rules I refuse to believe we have anywhere near the lowest wage bill or that the majority of clubs are massively investing and making huge losses.
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Even the FFP rules are a red herring. Aside from the fact that it only tells you what you can spend not what is being spent there is also ways around it. Fleetwood for example have an owner I believe who injects equity to get around it. MV also made a point of saying that they don't know where we fall in the budget league this season. That's the opposite to last season where they were falling over themselves to tell us we had a top six budget. That tells me that we have fallen down some places this season, maybe even bottom half. Otherwise they'd be falling over themselves to tell us again.
Sorry but last season was our last chance to constructively get out of this league. If it happens now under SISU's business model it will be luck rather than ambition. League one mediocrity or worse is all we have to look forward to, the odd good cup run aside.
With all due respect you have no idea whether it is 1st or 24th, what is a fact is that we are 24th and last place on the pitch so it is irrelevant where we sit in the budget table, just like it was when Burton and Yeovil were promoted.Looms like Fleetwood's chairman has had enough..
http://www.insidermedia.com/insider/northwest/143408-fleetwood-fc-set-break-even-goal/
Also a few people banging on about Rochdale..
http://www.rochdale.vitalfootball.co.uk/article.asp?a=385919
Yes there is ways around FFP, but IMO the majority of clubs will be starting ro utilitise them to get costs under control and limit the amount of money an owner has to 'invest'. Its win:win for owners.
Our wage bill has probably fallen down, I would be very surprised if its much lower than 12th, it certainly isn't 24th.
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I never said I did know, I just said I find it hard to believe its the worse in the league. It isn't irrelevant, people are saying we're bottom because of lack of investment, but yet there are teams with lower wage bills than us, higher in the league or have been promoted. For me this seasons position is largely down to TMs recruitment and tactics.With all due respect you have no idea whether it is 1st or 24th, what is a fact is that we are 24th and last place on the pitch so it is irrelevant where we sit in the budget table, just like it was when Burton and Yeovil were promoted.
I never said I did know, I just said I find it hard to believe its the worse in the league. It isn't irrelevant, people are saying we're bottom because of lack of investment, but yet there are teams with lower wage bills than us, higher in the league or have been promoted. For me this seasons position is largely down to TMs recruitment and tactics.
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They over played there hand, raised the odds and lost.Nobody wanted the stadium at the price or terms available when SISU were sniffing around.
They over played there hand, raised the odds and lost.
At its worst they could have paid £13M for ACL and took on £14M loan .... total £27M.
What capacity stadium do you get for £27M ? ........ 15,000 ?
At the startWhen was that?
Disprove it. :finger:Prove it
We have been making money for the last few years, !!!!! No overheads only ground rent, thats cheaper than owning your own ground and running it, Plus wages but because we get bigger crowds than most in this league we should have the best budget by far. think about it, it makes sense, if you believe Sisu that we are not making money, they will keep laughing at you, that's why they stay.
That's the issue, people don't really understand.Why should we have the best budget by far in the league?
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