Breakeven (14 Viewers)

dongonzalos · Oct 15, 2016

clint van damme said:
really? can you explain that comment?

They wooed the council and have delivered on their promises to the council and continue to do so.
SISU battled the council and expected the same outcome

Sky Blue Kid · Oct 15, 2016

clint van damme said:
worse than another out of town hedge fund getting their hands on it with a 250 year lease?

Hypothetical scenario now... SISU bought the Ricoh and charge CCFC £1.3m p.a. rent! Would that be ok in everybodies mind? If not How the fuck do CCFC go on rent strike..... Take your time guys, I've got all night!

SkyBlueZack · Oct 15, 2016

dongonzalos said:
You are a smart bloke. You don't need me to keep drip feeding.

Thanks. I'd happily take CCC on in a debate. I've debated with Ainsworth. I think IMO I make good points and they are reasoned and thought out. So if anyone from CCC is reading this and wants to debate, let me know.

Terry Gibson's perm · Oct 15, 2016

With the crowds getting smaller surely we will get further away from break even and there isn't much to sell now player wise.

stupot07 · Oct 15, 2016

Terry Gibson's perm said:
With the crowds getting smaller surely we will get further away from break even and there isn't much to sell now player wise.

And the wage bill will be further reduced.

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dongonzalos · Oct 15, 2016

stupot07 said:
And the wage bill will be further reduced.

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And the league position will fall further
Breakeven will always be one step away

Terry Gibson's perm · Oct 15, 2016

stupot07 said:
And the wage bill will be further reduced.

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But there is a point where even that becomes difficult, but then we are still carrying people like Finch,Lawton and others

clint van damme · Oct 15, 2016

Sky Blue Kid said:
Hypothetical scenario now... SISU bought the Ricoh and charge CCFC £1.3m p.a. rent! Would that be ok in everybodies mind? If not How the fuck do CCFC go on rent strike..... Take your time guys, I've got all night!

but sisu would then have access to all of the associated benefits of the stadium, it wouldn't make sense to hamstring the club as the bigger attendances would be worth far more them in terms of F&B, car parking, hospitality etc.

stupot07 · Oct 15, 2016

dongonzalos said:
And the league position will fall further
Breakeven will always be one step away

In theory yes, but I dont believe our wage bill at the minute is anywhere near the lowest in the league and we're punching well below our weight at the minute. A lot of that is down to poor recruitment and poor tactics.

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Kingokings204 · Oct 15, 2016

Seems we have made national news btw http://news.sky.com/story/plastic-pigs-stop-football-match-between-charlton-and-coventry-10618500

clint van damme · Oct 15, 2016

dongonzalos said:
They wooed the council and have delivered on their promises to the council and continue to do so.
SISU battled the council and expected the same outcome

think it was probably something other than charm mate.

stupot07 · Oct 15, 2016

Terry Gibson's perm said:
But there is a point where even that becomes difficult, but then we are still carrying people like Finch,Lawton and others

It all depends on how low the crowds go. Like I said earlier thr majority of league one and two clubs have attendance's less of 5k, and a significant portion less than 4k and 3k. Sisu could still run a club on those kinds of attendance's.

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clint van damme · Oct 15, 2016

stupot07 said:
It all depends on how low the crowds go. Like I said earlier thr majority of league one and two clubs have attendance's less of 5k, and a significant portion less than 4k and 3k. Sisu could still run a club on those kinds of attendance's.

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they did do. For over a season.

Sky Blue Kid · Oct 15, 2016

clint van damme said:
they did do. For over a season.

But they even admitted it killed them.

Terry Gibson's perm · Oct 15, 2016

stupot07 said:
It all depends on how low the crowds go. Like I said earlier thr majority of league one and two clubs have attendance's less of 5k, and a significant portion less than 4k and 3k. Sisu could still run a club on those kinds of attendance's.

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They couldn't run a club with ten times those figures they are clueless, if/when we go down I would expect a few redundancies behind the scenes which is a shame for some but good riddance to others

Kingokings204 · Oct 15, 2016

stupot07 said:
In theory yes, but I dont believe our wage bill at the minute is anywhere near the lowest in the league and we're punching well below our weight at the minute. A lot of that is down to poor recruitment and poor tactics.

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Sisu will just keep falling further and further behind also whilst the club falls so does sisu and their investment in us. Basically I'm saying it hurts everyone. It's in everyone's interest for ccfc to be successful.

It's just what I said before. If you cut the budget then you get shitter players which means you will lose more games which means less fans turn up which then sisu will cut the budget again which means shitter players and lose more games.

To break this cycle you have to invest and pump some money in. So whilst break even is commendable it's also not particularly realistic.

Kingokings204 · Oct 15, 2016

clint van damme said:
they did do. For over a season.

And came back because it wasn't sustainable.

Nick · Oct 15, 2016

Do people want SISU to pump more money in and be in debt to them?

Will people be OK with SISU wanting every penny back?

I don't really want to be in any more debt to them.

SkyBlueZack · Oct 15, 2016

Sky Blue Kid said:
But they even admitted it killed them.

Not if there using the club to offset losses?

wingy · Oct 15, 2016

Luckily for them our club had the luck to unearth a Callum Wilson
Instead of it going into investment for the club it offset the loss that JS quoted would be covered by her and her wealthy backers.

Kingokings204 · Oct 15, 2016

Nick said:
Do people want SISU to pump more money in and be in debt to them?

Will people be OK with SISU wanting every penny back?

I don't really want to be in any more debt to them.

The problem is Nick, they spunked their own money wasting it and mis managing a football club. That's not our fault.

Point 2 they aren't putting any more money in. It's over. League 2 is inevitable. If it isn't this season it's next. Until it happens.

Kingokings204 · Oct 15, 2016

SkyBlueZack said:
Not if there using the club to offset losses?

Who knows. But no evidence of it. Heard the rumour quite a lot though.

dongonzalos · Oct 15, 2016

stupot07 said:
In theory yes, but I dont believe our wage bill at the minute is anywhere near the lowest in the league and we're punching well below our weight at the minute. A lot of that is down to poor recruitment and poor tactics.

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Agree but this wage bill comes on the back of the sales of Wilson and Maddison......
Next season?

stupot07 · Oct 15, 2016

Nick said:
Do people want SISU to pump more money in and be in debt to them?

Will people be OK with SISU wanting every penny back?

I don't really want to be in any more debt to them.

Thats how I feel. I also think someone would prefer to take us over at breakeven then be able to invest and add value to the squad straight away, instead of having to stump up £6-7m to fund losses and keep the status quo before being able to strengthen.

If people expect £m's invested they won't like fan ownership much.

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dongonzalos · Oct 15, 2016

Nick said:
Do people want SISU to pump more money in and be in debt to them?

Will people be OK with SISU wanting every penny back?

I don't really want to be in any more debt to them.

No I would prefer it if they accepted that the club itself will only produce loses for them under the current plan. That the legal action can carry on without owning the club and they walk away.

ceetee · Oct 15, 2016

Sky Blue Kid said:
But they even admitted it killed them.

Because the wage bill wasn't reduced to compensate for the lower gate receipts

Terry Gibson's perm · Oct 15, 2016

ceetee said:
Because the wage bill wasn't reduced to compensate for the lower gate receipts

Another time they got the sums wrong

wingy · Oct 15, 2016

Sky Blue Kid said:
But they even admitted it killed them.

I think it killed the club.

wingy · Oct 15, 2016

ceetee said:
Because the wage bill wasn't reduced to compensate for the lower gate receipts

Seppalla is on record vowing that she and her backers would cover the losses incurred via the move
To date I've only seen an injection of £600K in black and white, although one esteemed poster on here who has happened to hold a different view of things on here believes it was £1m
I'm not going to trawl for accuracy but the loss must be akin to £4m +
When the owner makes that kind of pledge I expect them to honour it
Not use Club generated income (Wilson transfer fee) to offset it.

chinamans view · Oct 16, 2016

These owners have said they are at break even or nearly at it for years, Orange Ken told us we were there and what a wonderful job he had done so we, could start to invest next season LOL, then Waggot said we would break even at gates of 11,000 then said oh sorry 15,000 when we reach 11,000 gates

Deleted member 5849 · Oct 16, 2016

Sky Blue Kid said:
Hypothetical scenario now... SISU bought the Ricoh and charge CCFC £1.3m p.a. rent! Would that be ok in everybodies mind? If not How the fuck do CCFC go on rent strike..... Take your time guys, I've got all night!

Given the club couldn't sustain itself on that, why would SISU bankrupt its own company to leave itself with an empty stadium?

stupot07 · Oct 16, 2016

Deleted member 5849 said:
Given the club couldn't sustain itself on that, why would SISU bankrupt its own company to leave itself with an empty stadium?

Come on NW, you know common sense isn't allowed on this forum!

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Sky Blue Kid · Oct 16, 2016

Deleted member 5849 said:
Given the club couldn't sustain itself on that, why would SISU bankrupt its own company to leave itself with an empty stadium?

Ok. How much do you think they would rent the stadium to CCFC for?

Deleted member 5849 · Oct 16, 2016

Sky Blue Kid said:
Ok. How much do you think they would rent the stadium to CCFC for?

Do you like answerig a question with a question?

Sky Blue Kid · Oct 16, 2016

Deleted member 5849 said:
Do you like answerig a question with a question?

Well it seems to be the norm(Pardon the pun) on here when Nick is around

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