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torchomatic

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  • Jun 15, 2016
  • #1
A Coventry City Football Club move into an expanded Butts Park Arena home of Coventry rugby club appears to have hit the buffers after objections from the Butts’ head lease holder, we can exclusively reveal.

The Coventry Observer exclusively revealed in November the groundshare proposal, and that it would first need Coventry Rugby Football Club chairman Jon Sharp to acquire the head lease to the site where Coventry City Council is the freeholder.

The head lease is held by former Coventry rugby player Chris Millerchip, who lives in New York.

Negotiations have taken place for months between Mr Millerchip and Mr Sharp, who insists acquiring the lease is essential if there is to be an expansion of up to 25,000 capacity and the groundshare.

We revealed last month a Coventry City Council email in January, following our exclusive about the groundshare, proposed to block the transfer of the lease unless it included a Coventry preventing any professional football or associated training activities for the full term of the 125-year lease at the Butts, where Cov rugby club currently holds the sub-lease.

Earlier today, a Coventry Observer investigation highlighted how Mr Millerchip is a funder of the ‘Coventry, a City of Rugby’ scheme, backed by the council and sports authorities.

The Coventry Observer has learned from sources that Mr Millerchip has informed Coventry rugby club and other parties he is not currently prepared to transfer the lease with the Sky Blues’ involvement.

It is understood he is also calling for ‘peace talks’ between Coventry City Football Club, rugby club Wasps and the Coventry Sports Foundation, which operates the Alan Higgs Centre, where Wasps are set to move in and dispace the Sky Blues crucial youth academy next June.

The Butts groundshare proposal aims to see both the city’s struggling historic sporting clubs accessing more crucial commercial revenues from matchday and non-matchday commercial activities – in the hope of investing in their teams and a push towards League promotions.

Unelected council officer Nigel Clews has since claimed the leaked email was simply a ‘fishing expedition’ to try and flush out the Butts groundshare plan, as it had been revealed by the Coventry Observer last November.

It is not clear what legal power, if any, Coventry council as freeholder would actually have to prevent Mr Sharp obtaining the head lease.

After the leak created a furore, the new council leader George Duggins told us in an interview last month the council would not insist on such conditions, but would await any planning application for the Butts.

Mr Sharp stated publicly last December that the transfer of the head lease was necessary for him to press on with his redevelopment plans.

The redevelopment is in turn necessary to enable the Cov rugby/Sky Blues groundshare proposal.

While a Sky Blues move to the Butts Park Arena remains a proposal, the football club believes it needs revenue from a stadium’s 24/7 commercial activities to survive, while Mr Sharp believes a groundshare would help fulfill his ambitions for more commercial activity for the rugby club as a priority.

Premiership rugby club Wasps obtain revenues from the Ricoh Arena where Coventry City Football Club is a mere tenant.

Previous Arena Coventry Limited (ACL) owners the council and Alan Edward Higgs Charity in 2014 sold the Ricoh’s operating company ACL to Wasps on a massively extended 250-year lease not offered to the Sky Blues.

Council leaders have sought to protect the Ricoh project as what they claim is a regenerative scheme for the disadvantaged north of Coventry, although the project always partly depended on the football club’s money.

More to come.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Jun 15, 2016
  • #2
Think it was obvious that Millerchip wouldn't be helping...
 

the rumpo kid

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 15, 2016
  • #3
breaking news
 
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Otis

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  • Jun 15, 2016
  • #4
torchomatic said:
A Coventry City Football Club move into an expanded Butts Park Arena home of Coventry rugby club appears to have hit the buffers after objections from the Butts’ head lease holder, we can exclusively reveal.

The Coventry Observer exclusively revealed in November the groundshare proposal, and that it would first need Coventry Rugby Football Club chairman Jon Sharp to acquire the head lease to the site where Coventry City Council is the freeholder.

The head lease is held by former Coventry rugby player Chris Millerchip, who lives in New York.

Negotiations have taken place for months between Mr Millerchip and Mr Sharp, who insists acquiring the lease is essential if there is to be an expansion of up to 25,000 capacity and the groundshare.

We revealed last month a Coventry City Council email in January, following our exclusive about the groundshare, proposed to block the transfer of the lease unless it included a Coventry preventing any professional football or associated training activities for the full term of the 125-year lease at the Butts, where Cov rugby club currently holds the sub-lease.

Earlier today, a Coventry Observer investigation highlighted how Mr Millerchip is a funder of the ‘Coventry, a City of Rugby’ scheme, backed by the council and sports authorities.

The Coventry Observer has learned from sources that Mr Millerchip has informed Coventry rugby club and other parties he is not currently prepared to transfer the lease with the Sky Blues’ involvement.

It is understood he is also calling for ‘peace talks’ between Coventry City Football Club, rugby club Wasps and the Coventry Sports Foundation, which operates the Alan Higgs Centre, where Wasps are set to move in and dispace the Sky Blues crucial youth academy next June.
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Good!
 
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torchomatic

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  • Jun 15, 2016
  • #5
Otis said:
Good!
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Matter of opinion, I guess.
 
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armybike

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  • Jun 15, 2016
  • #6
An out of town a stadium with a combined first team/academy facility it is then...........
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Jun 15, 2016
  • #7
Peace talks in what way though?

Do as your told bitch type ones?
 
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Otis

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  • Jun 15, 2016
  • #8
torchomatic said:
Matter of opinion, I guess.
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You think peace talks are bad?

Seriously?
 

eastwoodsdustman

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  • Jun 15, 2016
  • #9
Otis said:
You think peace talks are bad?

Seriously?
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I think so now. I think that bridges have been burned and people shafted in such a major way that there can't be a way back whilst ccc/wasps/csf have any dealings with anything to do with the club. They've made their position clear and cannot be trusted on anything to do with the football club. Personally I could see them letting us invest in the BPA and then putting a block on it further down the line and I'm sure that the club think this too.
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Jun 15, 2016
  • #10
Peace talks = a one way negotiation to protect CCC and their pet rugby team.
 
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skyblueinBaku

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  • Jun 15, 2016
  • #11
It seems to me that we now have only 2 options: continue at the Ricoh or build a new stadium. I can't see that Sisu would finance a new stadium, so all we realistically have left is the Ricoh. However, staying at the Ricoh is only viable after concessions from Wasps who want the legals dropped before any further talks. I assume that 'dropping the legals' means no further appeals for JR1 and abandoning JR2. Maybe CCC think that one of the JRs will succeed. Are they pulling strings in the background out of fear?
 
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Otis

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  • Jun 15, 2016
  • #12
I don't see how peace talks are a bad thing. The more they talk this through and people are allowed to air their grievances and concerns the better.

I would like to see all parties sit round a table, CCC included and try and see if there is a way forwards.
 
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torchomatic

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  • Jun 15, 2016
  • #13
Otis said:
You think peace talks are bad?

Seriously?
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With what has happened in the last few weeks with the Academy, etc I don't there is appetite for talks. And I don't just mean from SISU.
 
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Otis

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  • Jun 15, 2016
  • #14
torchomatic said:
With what has happened in the last few weeks with the Academy, etc I don't there is appetite for talks. And I don't just mean from SISU.
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Just think we need to try anything and everything. At least have the sides all talking to each other properly.
 

chiefdave

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  • Jun 15, 2016
  • #15
So someone connected to the council is doing all they can to ensure we have little in the way of options.

Didn't Kieran tweet the other day that similar has happened with two previous sites, the council doing all they can to kill things off before plans are even on the table.

torchomatic said:
It is understood he is also calling for ‘peace talks’ between Coventry City Football Club, rugby club Wasps and the Coventry Sports Foundation, which operates the Alan Higgs Centre, where Wasps are set to move in and dispace the Sky Blues crucial youth academy next June.
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How can we have peace talks when Wasps are refusing to talk to us and the Higgs Centre have a clause to prevent us staying there long term?
 
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torchomatic

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  • Jun 15, 2016
  • #16
chiefdave said:
So someone connected to the council is doing all they can to ensure we have little in the way of options.

Didn't Kieran tweet the other day that similar has happened with two previous sites, the council doing all they can to kill things off before plans are even on the table.


How can we have peace talks when Wasps are refusing to talk to us and the Higgs Centre have a clause to prevent us staying there long term?
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That's the thing, isn't it? He quotes "just SISU" and that's it.
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Jun 15, 2016
  • #17
It was never going to happen anyway.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Jun 15, 2016
  • #18
skyblueindorset said:
It seems to me that we now have only 2 options: continue at the Ricoh or build a new stadium. I can't see that Sisu would finance a new stadium, so all we realistically have left is the Ricoh. However, staying at the Ricoh is only viable after concessions from Wasps who want the legals dropped before any further talks. I assume that 'dropping the legals' means no further appeals for JR1 and abandoning JR2. Maybe CCC think that one of the JRs will succeed. Are they pulling strings in the background out of fear?
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I can't see jr1 having any more legs in it.
 

chiefdave

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  • Jun 15, 2016
  • #19
skybluetony176 said:
It was never going to happen anyway.
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That may well be the case but it is very worrying that every turn made by the club is blocked. Seemingly all tracing back to CCC.
 
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Nick

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  • Jun 15, 2016
  • #20
skybluetony176 said:
It was never going to happen anyway.
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Maybe ccfc were fishing to prove it would be blocked as much as possible before planning permission even came into it?
 

Otis

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  • Jun 15, 2016
  • #21
skybluetony176 said:
It was never going to happen anyway.
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Agree. A lot of huff and puff and a few City fans' hopes up for a few fleeting seconds, but it was always looking like a no goer from the off and just pie in the sky.
 
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chiefdave

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  • Jun 15, 2016
  • #22
Should CRFC be concerned for the future? Millerchip appears to be siding with CCC and Wasps over CRFC, what happens if he sells the lease to someone else who doesn't want CRFC there anymore?

Would it benefit Wasps if there was just them and Coventry Bears?
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Jun 15, 2016
  • #23
chiefdave said:
Should CRFC be concerned for the future? Millerchip appears to be siding with CCC and Wasps over CRFC, what happens if he sells the lease to someone else who doesn't want CRFC there anymore?

Would it benefit Wasps if there was just them and Coventry Bears?
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Unless that's why they are siding with ccfc? They have probably been concerned since wasps moved.

I wonder if there's a link with millerchip and wasps
 

torchomatic

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  • Jun 15, 2016
  • #24
chiefdave said:
Should CRFC be concerned for the future? Millerchip appears to be siding with CCC and Wasps over CRFC, what happens if he sells the lease to someone else who doesn't want CRFC there anymore?

Would it benefit Wasps if there was just them and Coventry Bears?
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It would most likely end up as a nice little Wasps B operation.
 

chiefdave

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  • Jun 15, 2016
  • #25
Nick said:
I wonder if there's a link with millerchip and wasps
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Well all the Engage and City of Rugby stuff popped up when Wasps were on the way here and he's a funder of that.
 

chiefdave

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  • Jun 15, 2016
  • #26
torchomatic said:
It would most likely end up as a nice little Wasps B operation.
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[tinfoilhat]Wasps takeover the lease for the Butts. CRFC would be screwed. When Wasps want to move there academy there's no-one there to object and a smaller ground for them to play at.[/tinfoilhat]
 

SkyBlue_Bear83

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  • Jun 15, 2016
  • #27
Another one in the councils pocket it seems
 

skybluetony176

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  • Jun 15, 2016
  • #28
chiefdave said:
That may well be the case but it is very worrying that every turn made by the club is blocked. Seemingly all tracing back to CCC.
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Block what turn? The turn we were never going to take?

No one wants to deal with SISU. They have to go and the sooner the better.
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Jun 15, 2016
  • #29
Nick said:
Maybe ccfc were fishing to prove it would be blocked as much as possible before planning permission even came into it?
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Ha ha ha. Planning permission. That's a good one Nick. Like it was ever going to get that far.
 

torchomatic

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  • Jun 15, 2016
  • #30
Bit tipsy, Tony? Been on the champers? :angelic:
 

chiefdave

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  • Jun 15, 2016
  • #31
skybluetony176 said:
Block what turn? The turn we were never going to take?
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Its largely irrelevant if any of us thought it was going to happen. The fact is CRFC and CCFC have been in talks and already there has been two attempts, both connected to the council, to block the project before it even gets off the ground.

As a CCFC supporter doesn't that worry you? Seems to me that whatever plan is put forward by the club the council will do their best to ensure it does't happen.
 
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torchomatic

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  • Jun 15, 2016
  • #32
chiefdave said:
As a CCFC supporter doesn't that worry you? Seems to me that whatever plan is put forward by the club the council will do their best to ensure it does't happen.
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It's more important to get rid of SISU regardless, I think for some.
 
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Nick

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  • Jun 15, 2016
  • #33
skybluetony176 said:
Ha ha ha. Planning permission. That's a good one Nick. Like it was ever going to get that far.
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That's why i said before...

There are 2 attempts to block it before a 3d image has even been made.
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Jun 15, 2016
  • #34
Interesting that Millerchip is a former lawyer! Probably the first lawyer to ever make conditions of dropping legal actions.
 

chiefdave

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  • Jun 15, 2016
  • #35
skybluetony176 said:
Block what turn?
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