Bottling plan A not rent is the real issue (11 Viewers)

@ Torchy...Btw....read ALL of what Westwood has to say, not what you THINK he says!!!

dongonzalos said:

Yes much to many people annoyance
I have a feeling those people were right

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I have a feeling they were wrong


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If we named that 11 with Murphy in goal would it really be any worse? No.

Originally Posted by fernandopartridge View Post SISU's plan was to buy players, develop and sell on, with one of the other outputs being that we'd get promoted in the meantime....................................................................................Sorry mate..WRONG!..You know as well as the rest of us that SISU knew/know sweet f**k all about how football works.

I dont think that team would of made the prem, some of those players are alot better now than they were then and some are worse.

Sky Blue Kid said:

Originally Posted by fernandopartridge View Post SISU's plan was to buy players, develop and sell on, with one of the other outputs being that we'd get promoted in the meantime....................................................................................Sorry mate..WRONG!..You know as well as the rest of us that SISU knew/know sweet f**k all about how football works.

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Sorry mate but I genuinely believe that was the case. It cannot be denied that they invested in the squad early on in their tenure.

dongonzalos said:

Yes much to many people annoyance
I have a feeling those people were right

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He played 26 times in 2011/12, scored once.

32 times in 2010/11, scored once.

22 times in 2009/10, scored zero.

They're obviously all wrong as he's never really had a chance.

fernandopartridge said:

Sorry mate but I genuinely believe that was the case. It cannot be denied that they invested in the squad early on in their tenure.

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Agreed, except it was Ranson's plan not SISU's.

Surely people agree we didn't give enough of a go of getting promoted? Seems to me that we spunked all our cash with Coleman then gave up.

shmmeee said:

Agreed, except it was Ranson's plan not SISU's.

Surely people agree we didn't give enough of a go of getting promoted? Seems to me that we spunked all our cash with Coleman then gave up.

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Personally I wish the plan had been done in reverse to how it has been, i.e. strip the squad back early on and attempt to get a footing in the Ricoh and then later on look to try and get promoted on a more sustainable footing.

fernandopartridge said:

Personally I wish the plan had been done in reverse to how it has been, i.e. strip the squad back early on and attempt to get a footing in the Ricoh and then later on look to try and get promoted on a more sustainable footing.

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Nah, the two are mutually exclusive unfortunately. Either you try to push the club, still with Prem infrastructure, back up in one and we're well placed to stay there. Or you accept you're not going anywhere soon and strip back, accepting that you'll need to redevelop your infrastructure should you be promoted.

Remember we're talking about the kind of stuff that we take for granted, like an academy, or a decent training ground, or corporate hospitality. The sort of stuff that attracts players and sponsors at that level.

It was worth a shot getting us up, we just gave up a bit soon IMO.

I think we've crossed wires somewhere. The current plan doesn't involve the Ricoh, it involves a 12k modular stadium we can expand, etc. Etc.

If we accept we're going nowhere near the prem for a few years then the Ricoh is a huge waste of resources. It's a great Prem stadium, but sucks for a mid-Champ-down side like ourselves.

chiefdave said:

What we don't know is how many players chose to run down their contracts as they perceived their to be a lack of ambition from the owners. The tipping point was probably when they sold Dann and Fox. If I was a player then that would have signaled to me that any aim of investing, and by investing I don't mean going crazy, to get into the prem was gone. Most of those players were fairly young when they left and if they thought we were ambitious may well have been persuaded to stay for a couple of years knowing it wasn't their last chance at a big contract.

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Or because they had been told that they would be offered a new contract well before their existing one had expired, but it never materialised until into the final year of their deal (Westwood, Aron, Tabb). Despite them having earned them after proving themselves following being signed on terms well below Championship average wage.

And yes, Tabb said he was homesick, but he had initially been very keen to sign a new contract until he was fucked around.