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Frostie · Feb 15, 2021

Interesting to read today that Matty James, as captain, complained to the referee about the treatment O'Hare in particular was getting & as we all know Viveash isn't shy in giving a piece of his mind.

Made absolutely no difference so, unfortunately we've tried to do it in the proper way with complete disregard from the officials so we now need to be one of those horrible teams that surround & harangue the ref at every opportunity.

robbiekeane · Feb 15, 2021

shmmeee said:
Play in Cov would be a start.

Yes but say more. What exactly does that mean. Rental deal at the Ricoh? As much as I can’t be arsed to cast my mind back but I believe Wasps won’t do that unless CCFC sign something agreeing to indemnify them of future losses? Is it just back in Coventry at all costs?

Okay so if we are back at the Ricoh on a 10 year deal. Let’s assume that’s the same cost as what it costs us now and somehow they negotiate a relegation rental reduction. Would you/grendel be happy then if everything else continued?

Of course what I’m getting at is I don’t think some people will be happy until we get a sugar daddy

shmmeee · Feb 15, 2021

robbiekeane said:
Yes but say more. What exactly does that mean. Rental deal at the Ricoh? As much as I can’t be arsed to cast my mind back but I believe Wasps won’t do that unless CCFC sign something agreeing to indemnify them of future losses? Is it just back in Coventry at all costs?

Okay so if we are back at the Ricoh on a 10 year deal. Let’s assume that’s the same cost as what it costs us now and somehow they negotiate a relegation rental reduction. Would you/grendel be happy then if everything else continued?

Of course what I’m getting at is I don’t think some people will be happy until we get a sugar daddy

If we’re under new owners I’d see no reason we couldn’t get a decent deal, but as I’ve always said if we need a ground for financial reasons I’d support that too. Just play in Cov while you build it.

As for expectations, TBH I’m happy on the current model plus a bit for increased crowds. I don’t want to see us spending tens of millions, £5/6m a year investment in young up and coming players with the odd exciting loan from above and the odd bit of experience thrown in.

I’ve said before I think you could move the team on significantly with the same investment and increases in wage budget we had this season. If we spent what we did on Hamer, O’Hare, Walker, and Sheaf on a GK, CB, LCB, ST and added a couple of loans I’d be very happy.

Only difference at the Ricoh would be that would be closer to sustainable.

I fundamentally fail to believe there’s no a model for a club our size to stay at this level.

Grendel · Feb 15, 2021

robbiekeane said:
Yes but say more. What exactly does that mean. Rental deal at the Ricoh? As much as I can’t be arsed to cast my mind back but I believe Wasps won’t do that unless CCFC sign something agreeing to indemnify them of future losses? Is it just back in Coventry at all costs?

Okay so if we are back at the Ricoh on a 10 year deal. Let’s assume that’s the same cost as what it costs us now and somehow they negotiate a relegation rental reduction. Would you/grendel be happy then if everything else continued?

Of course what I’m getting at is I don’t think some people will be happy until we get a sugar daddy

You can believe what you like but I have it pretty good authority that a deal was struck in the end and someone walked away at the least minute and even Big Dave lost his Sisu veneer for a brief moment

robbiekeane · Feb 15, 2021

shmmeee said:
If we’re under new owners I’d see no reason we couldn’t get a decent deal, but as I’ve always said if we need a ground for financial reasons I’d support that too. Just play in Cov while you build it.

Makes sense - so either get a long term deal at the Ricoh, or a shorter term deal if a stadium was going to be built?

shmmeee said:
As for expectations, TBH I’m happy on the current model plus a bit for increased crowds. I don’t want to see us spending tens of millions, £5/6m a year investment in young up and coming players with the odd exciting loan from above and the odd bit of experience thrown in.

If we got 20,000 a game (ambitious but not impossible) then some very rough maths means that’s around £6m a year in revenue. Assuming we ended up paying £1.5m a year for a rental deal for match day access again (is this realistic?) then that might give us a £4m income.

Add in sponsorship and tv money...call that another £6m, that gives us maybe £10m a year to run the club if going to break even.

Do you think that’s doable investing the money you say, without supplementing with a sugar daddy? Genuine question because my assumptions are probably riddled with inaccuracies, just trying to get a feel for what would even be manageable

robbiekeane · Feb 15, 2021

Grendel said:
You can believe what you like but I have it pretty good authority that a deal was struck in the end and someone walked away at the least minute and even Big Dave lost his Sisu veneer for a brief moment

So would you be happy...

robbiekeane said:
Okay so if we are back at the Ricoh on a 10 year deal. Let’s assume that’s the same cost as what it costs us now and somehow they negotiate a relegation rental reduction. Would you/grendel be happy then if everything else continued?

shmmeee · Feb 15, 2021

robbiekeane said:
Makes sense - so either get a long term deal at the Ricoh, or a shorter term deal if a stadium was going to be built?

If we got 20,000 a game (ambitious but not impossible) then some very rough maths means that’s around £6m a year in revenue. Assuming we ended up paying £1.5m a year for a rental deal for match day access again (is this realistic?) then that might give us a £4m income.

Add in sponsorship and tv money...call that another £6m, that gives us maybe £10m a year to run the club if going to break even.

Do you think that’s doable investing the money you say, without supplementing with a sugar daddy? Genuine question because my assumptions are probably riddled with inaccuracies, just trying to get a feel for what would even be manageable

Gut says probably not, but I’m not football finance expert. It does seem this division is more for the rich boys toys, But I think if we can get to the stage where we can afford £15m wage Bill and say £5m investment each year and not be bleeding money, then year we can hover around lower mid table and occasionally push for higher. Like a Barnsley or Luton.

Big if though, getting more money into the club has to be step one. What I’ve always wanted whoever the owners are is a bit of transparency about the plan. If there’s a plan to keep us competitive and stable then great, if the best we can do is L1 yo-yo club then fine, but set expectations. I think most would accept if the owners said “it’s got to run on its own and the best it can do is X”.

TomRad85 · Feb 15, 2021

shmmeee said:
Gut says probably not, but I’m not football finance expert. It does seem this division is more for the rich boys toys, But I think if we can get to the stage where we can afford £15m wage Bill and say £5m investment each year and not be bleeding money, then year we can hover around lower mid table and occasionally push for higher. Like a Barnsley or Luton.

Big if though, getting more money into the club has to be step one. What I’ve always wanted whoever the owners are is a bit of transparency about the plan. If there’s a plan to keep us competitive and stable then great, if the best we can do is L1 yo-yo club then fine, but set expectations. I think most would accept if the owners said “it’s got to run on its own and the best it can do is X”.

If you could guarantee me we'd yo-yo straight back up i wouldn't even be that bothered about going down. Trouble is I feel like we got promoted against the odds, not sure it would happen again, well not soon anyway. I simply cannot do another 10 years or whatever it was below Championship level.

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Brighton Sky Blue · Feb 16, 2021

TomRad85 said:
If you could guarantee me we'd yo-yo straight back up i wouldn't even be that bothered about going down. Trouble is I feel like we got promoted against the odds, not sure it would happen again, well not soon anyway. I simply cannot do another 10 years or whatever it was below Championship level.

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A lot of that time is kind of a blur to me, lots of forgettable or dreadful seasons then the flurry up in the last 3.

TomRad85 · Feb 16, 2021

Brighton Sky Blue said:
A lot of that time is kind of a blur to me, lots of forgettable or dreadful seasons then the flurry up in the last 3.

That's why I struggle to remember exactly how long it was without checking. I do remember the vast majority of it was fucking depressing though.

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Brighton Sky Blue · Feb 16, 2021

TomRad85 said:
That's why I struggle to remember exactly how long it was without checking. I do remember the vast majority of it was fucking depressing though.

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Going down would be as needless as it would be a probable horror show for us on and off the pitch. Hopefully Robins stumbles on the right formula or Norwich give us a 3 goal head start

TomRad85 · Feb 16, 2021

Brighton Sky Blue said:
Going down would be as needless as it would be a probable horror show for us on and off the pitch. Hopefully Robins stumbles on the right formula or Norwich give us a 3 goal head start

I thought we were doing well when we abandoned 'the box' but sadly he seems to think that is the way to go again despite all evidence to the contrary.

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SeaSeeEffCee · Feb 16, 2021

Going down would be shite. Don't see us coming back up again for a while if we do.

TomRad85 · Feb 16, 2021

SeaSeeEffCee said:
Going down would be shite. Don't see us coming back up again for a while if we do.

Same. I'm trying not to be dramatic but I think it would be pretty disastrous.

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Brighton Sky Blue · Feb 16, 2021

TomRad85 said:
I thought we were doing well when we abandoned 'the box' but sadly he seems to think that is the way to go again despite all evidence to the contrary.

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We’re back to the same problems of the first 10 games basically

Grendel · Feb 16, 2021

robbiekeane said:
So would you be happy...

Not really no. Also your use of a sugar daddy is a strange way to view clubs like Luton Millwall Barnsley

You almost seem to revel in the fact we have busted flush owners who can’t find any way to fund the playing side beyond generated revenue which in itself isn’t enough to survive

higgs · Feb 16, 2021

We need a shock result to kick start us again like 3 points against Norwich

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Magwitch · Feb 16, 2021

We go nowhere with our current owner what we are achieving now is a bloody miracle.

cc84cov · Feb 16, 2021

SBT said:
McFadzean said at the start of the season that experience was what the team needed most from the transfer window. It was never addressed. Instead we spent a (relative) fortune on young players with very little experience at this level. It’s no surprise we seem so naive at times.

Naive comes from the top so does their mentality installed,no problem having players not as good as some other teams but we should be making up with fight & hard work

you wouldn’t see a Neil warnock for example team as naive as Ours wedon’t even appeal decisions,

robbiekeane · Feb 16, 2021

Grendel said:
Not really no. Also your use of a sugar daddy is a strange way to view clubs like Luton Millwall Barnsley

You almost seem to revel in the fact we have busted flush owners who can’t find any way to fund the playing side beyond generated revenue which in itself isn’t enough to survive

I’m just confused to be honest as to what it is that you want..it feels like you want owners with deep pockets who are willing to throw millions and millions of pounds (more) per year at the club with little to no hope of getting it back. I mean that’s what you’re saying isn’t it, when you say “fund the playing side beyond generated revenue”? Usually takes a while for you to actually answer questions so a yes or no will do just fine here.

I don’t revel in the fact at all, I just think football is in a very sorry state right now especially at this level and it appears that we have limited options...either have a situation like we have now, spend way above our means and get ourselves further into the shit for a few years entertainment or a pop at promotion, or we get a wealthy benefactor (sugar daddy seems to offend you) who is happy to spend £15- £20m a year and hope they don’t get bored anytime soon.

The first two are shit for their own reasons and I don’t see many people lining up for the third

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