ccfctommy
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Don't we have a supporters trust that can help out with that kind of thing? *grabs tin hat*
No, you are a representative on a fans forum so the job spec includes asking questions that effect the fans who use this forum. These issues include the substandard policing and the strange actions of the SAG.
Why so aggressive?What are you on about?
I'm sure that's the case, but it would be good to know whether it's possible, and if not, exactly why not. If there are physical constraints that would be impossible to overcome, that would at least be useful to understand. But if it's just inertia, or simply that nobody has been asked to look into it, that would be a shame because IMO such a change could make a big difference to the experience at the Arena.There are no plans to move the away supporters
Why so aggressive?
It’s mad
the first post of the thread You’ve said blocks 2 and 3 aren’t being sold and blamed the sag
Where’s the info from
I think that is exactly the situation. SAG, by definition, offers advice. You don't have to follow what is merely advice - and not regulation - however whilst the ground is only 70% occupied it would be difficult and foolhardy not to follow the advice. There is no compelling commercial benefit of not following advice. "Atmosphere" is subjective and hard to quantify to use a a balance in any risk:benefit analysis. Pete's non-confrontational approach seems reasonable to me at this point.Whilst we’re not pulling the big crowds anyway it’s easy for the clubs owners to take on board the safety advice being offered up by SAG.
Should we find ourselves in a position to fill all those empty seats ‘I doubt the owners would be so quick to comply.
Mate, if the Safety Advisory Group had their way we’d still be in Lockdown. Pete would probably support themMy reply was entirely in keeping with the tone of your post, which questioned the legitimacy of this thread. What do you mean 'should have reached out directly'? To whom?
This is just a discussion amongst ourselves about this latest intervention and previous measures. We are allowed to discuss these matters without your permission.
For clarity, a friend attempted to purchase tickets in block 2 for Saturday and was told, by the ticket office, these blocks are no longer available for sale.
You can see this for yourself as blocks 2 and 3 are unavailable for the rest of the season online.
I am assuming this is the SAG. If it isn't, then it can only be the club. Great if so, because I feel the club could be reasoned with. But it isn't is it, it'll be the SAG. It's a fair assumption.
They should be called the Safety Regulation Group then.The SAG isn't just advise, they have power.
It sounds like the club would be held responsible in the event of a safety incident, and if they had deliberately decided to go against the advice of the SAG they could be in legal trouble. So it may be just advice, but it's advice you are pretty much obliged to follow.Googled, My emphasis in bold.
Purpose and scope of a SAG
SAGs provide a forum for discussing and advising on public safety at an event. They aim to help organisers with the planning, and management of an event and to encourage cooperation and coordination between all relevant agencies. They are non-statutory bodies and so do not have legal powers or responsibilities, and are not empowered to approve or prohibit events from taking place. Event organisers and others involved in the running of an event, retain the principal legal duties for ensuring public safety.
Googled, My emphasis in bold.
Purpose and scope of a SAG
SAGs provide a forum for discussing and advising on public safety at an event. They aim to help organisers with the planning, and management of an event and to encourage cooperation and coordination between all relevant agencies. They are non-statutory bodies and so do not have legal powers or responsibilities, and are not empowered to approve or prohibit events from taking place. Event organisers and others involved in the running of an event, retain the principal legal duties for ensuring public safety.
I've said it before but the club should tell them to go whistleGoogled, My emphasis in bold.
Purpose and scope of a SAG
SAGs provide a forum for discussing and advising on public safety at an event. They aim to help organisers with the planning, and management of an event and to encourage cooperation and coordination between all relevant agencies. They are non-statutory bodies and so do not have legal powers or responsibilities, and are not empowered to approve or prohibit events from taking place. Event organisers and others involved in the running of an event, retain the principal legal duties for ensuring public safety.
They'd have significant difficulty showing cause between two blocks in a football ground being open and any incidentIt sounds like the club would be held responsible in the event of a safety incident, and if they had deliberately decided to go against the advice of the SAG they could be in legal trouble. So it may be just advice, but it's advice you are pretty much obliged to follow.
Seems the logical thing to do. 99% of Coventry fan’s approach and leave the stadium from the south stand end. So no need for them to be that end.I'm sure that's the case, but it would be good to know whether it's possible, and if not, exactly why not. If there are physical constraints that would be impossible to overcome, that would at least be useful to understand. But if it's just inertia, or simply that nobody has been asked to look into it, that would be a shame because IMO such a change could make a big difference to the experience at the Arena.
Vote for a Tory local council, its Maton and his cronies making these ridiculous decisions.
How the bloody hell can you make this political, it’s concerning enough lemons like you are allowed to vote.Vote for a Tory local council, its Maton and his cronies making these ridiculous decisions.
I understand why nowMy reply was entirely in keeping with the tone of your post, which questioned the legitimacy of this thread. What do you mean 'should have reached out directly'? To whom?
This is just a discussion amongst ourselves about this latest intervention and previous measures. We are allowed to discuss these matters without your permission.
For clarity, a friend attempted to purchase tickets in block 2 for Saturday and was told, by the ticket office, these blocks are no longer available for sale.
You can see this for yourself as blocks 2 and 3 are unavailable for the rest of the season online.
I am assuming this is the SAG. If it isn't, then it can only be the club. Great if so, because I feel the club could be reasoned with. But it isn't is it, it'll be the SAG. It's a fair assumption.
Fuck off you leftieHow the bloody hell can you make this political, it’s concerning enough lemons like you are allowed to vote.
The reason we are only allowed up to block 13 is because there have been incidents, they have stopped the over crowding issues and I reckon if the better behaviour continues we might slowly get those closed blocks back.
Unfortunately idiots like that chump who ran on the pitch from the other side of the ground don’t help he becomes another unwanted statistic.
And I’ve been told there was a bit of tit for tat call it banter going on between fans from block one to the away fans so that wouldn’t help either. It’s just another case of a few spoiling things for the majority.
Likewise I'd sometimes go in Block X of the Sky Blue Stand (aka North / M&B) and it was a couple of stairwell widths between you and the away following. This SAG are a bunch of jumped up clowns
I had a season ticket in block X , the whole stairwell was full of police, so much so they obstructed the view of the pitch, plus when the away fans all stood up, watching the game, we all stood up so we could have a good view, guess what the the police told us, ( you guessed it) we had to sit down but the away fans were allowed to stand up.
Some things never change.
Ended up moving to the main stand.
Yeah I’m also able to buy tickets from Blocks 2 & 3, for any of our home games this season. Been a fun meltdown though.Unless i'm missing something here but when i log into my ticket account i can see blocks 2 & 3 are on sale for the Hull game? Checked Stoke also.
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Oh my so ferret was wrongYeah I’m also able to buy tickets from Blocks 2 & 3, for any of our home games this season. Been a fun meltdown though.
see pete it's not just me saying this
if you don't want to do it then let someone else
Oh my so ferret was wrong
Or mark was so scared at replying to my email he has a word and they changed their mind
There you go david one thing changed tick
Well I wasn't wrong because tickets were taken off sale. There were people in this thread who had attempted to buy but couldn't and this was verbally communicated at the ticket office to somebody buying in person.
If you raising this issue has resulted in a rethink, then maybe we should be thanking you. Either way, if nothing had been said about this, this thread, various tweets, your enquiry, I strongly suspect those seats would still be unavailable. So give yourself a pat on the back.
they can't without a valid reason, you can sag decisions in court and the example you state would be struck downHowever, Cov Council has delegated it's powers.
They can literally make us play behind closed doors if they wanted.
spoons again grenners?I nominate you David
Why don't you rock up with your mate Gerry and just spell out that its open the blocks or its Warrington all over again
spoons again grenners?
you're either pissed or really stupidI’ve just caught up with this thread. Judging by your shambolic performance last night your accusation is rather ironic.
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