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  • Start date Dec 16, 2013
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theferret

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  • Dec 16, 2013
  • #71
CJ_covblaze said:
I can safely say we wouldn't even entertain moving out of the ring road let alone leaving the city itself.
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If Birmingham build a large ice rink (which has been talked about for years) and look to move in an IH franchise, the Blaze will be off like a shot. Naive to think otherwise.
 

hill83

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  • Dec 16, 2013
  • #72
theferret said:
If Birmingham build a large ice rink (which has been talked about for years) and look to move in an IH franchise, the Blaze will be off like a shot. Naive to think otherwise.
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Facts
 

CJ_covblaze

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 16, 2013
  • #73
bigfatronssba said:
Its not American, it was invented by us!

I'm not sure now, but I used to go regularly and then around half the squad would be home grown. It is limited by the league as to how many "imports" you can have.
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Correct and it's something we won Olympic gold in back in the 30s. It's limited to 11 imports to encourage home grown talent. I have to say though our system isn't perfect and needs a MASSIVE overhaul.
 

covcity4life

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 16, 2013
  • #74


bring this guy to cov...great wrestler.

from colour of his tights looks like he currently resides in wolverhampton...lets franchise him!
 

lordsummerisle

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  • Dec 16, 2013
  • #75
CJ_covblaze said:
Correct and it's something we won Olympic gold in back in the 30s. It's limited to 11 imports to encourage home grown talent. I have to say though our system isn't perfect and needs a MASSIVE overhaul.
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11 imports per league or side??
 

CJ_covblaze

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 16, 2013
  • #76
theferret said:
If Birmingham build a large ice rink (which has been talked about for years) and look to move in an IH franchise, the Blaze will be off like a shot. Naive to think otherwise.
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That is completely inaccurate. It makes no economic sense for anyone (both the city of Coventry or any EIHL side) to relocate the Blaze. Would make more sense for everyone concerned if Smith/Black/Moran/Kelman ect created another team that was based in Birmingham. Think about what has happened in Braehead. That has worked. Moving Fife, Dundee ect wouldn't have.

Do you agree Ferret? If not please explain why.
 

CJ_covblaze

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  • Dec 16, 2013
  • #77
lordsummerisle said:
11 imports per league or side??
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Per side. Each team can bench 20 players per game.
 

bigfatronssba

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 16, 2013
  • #78
theferret said:
If Birmingham build a large ice rink (which has been talked about for years) and look to move in an IH franchise, the Blaze will be off like a shot. Naive to think otherwise.
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Based on what, because that's what they did before?

The Blaze are financially stable now, have an average attendance of between 2-3k, and play in a modern, sound arena at the top level.

When they were in Solihull, the club never knew if it would last till the next season, had an average crowd of about 2-300, and played in a ramshackle old arena whilst struggling most of the time to even get near the top level.

Whilst I cannot sit here and say confidently that they will never move (I cant see the future), I can say confidently they wouldn't be "off like a shot" as you put it.
 

bigfatronssba

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 16, 2013
  • #79
CJ_covblaze said:
That is completely inaccurate. It makes no economic sense for anyone (both the city of Coventry or any EIHL side) to relocate the Blaze. Would make more sense for everyone concerned if Smith/Black/Moran/Kelman ect created another team that was based in Birmingham. Think about what has happened in Braehead. That has worked. Moving Fife, Dundee ect wouldn't have.

Do you agree Ferret? If not please explain why.
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That would make brilliant sense.

Blaze v Brummies would be a cracking atmosphere, and generate plenty of ££££££££.
 
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Noggin

New Member
  • Dec 16, 2013
  • #80
No one is boycotting sixfields out of some moral issue with franchise teams (even if they do have moral issues with them), people are boycotting sixfields because the sisu fuckers are hurting our football club for their own ends and they are doing it while knowing there are much better options for ccfc.

The few people who are mentioning franchise clubs while criticising the fans that chose to go to sixfields 'aren't criticising because they are morally against franchise clubs, they are critasing because they belive that going increases the chance of the club being viable in northampton and thus increases the chance they will never come back.

Criticism or snide remarks about people going to mk dons or the blaze simply arn't appropriate.
 
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theferret

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  • Dec 16, 2013
  • #81
CJ_covblaze said:
That is completely inaccurate. It makes no economic sense for anyone (both the city of Coventry or any EIHL side) to relocate the Blaze. Would make more sense for everyone concerned if Smith/Black/Moran/Kelman ect created another team that was based in Birmingham. Think about what has happened in Braehead. That has worked. Moving Fife, Dundee ect wouldn't have.

Do you agree Ferret? If not please explain why.
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Of course it makes economic sense, it is a much bigger market potentially. It is the same economics that moved the team from Solihull to Coventry. To be honest, I don't really care as I'm not a fan of the sport, but I am sure if the operators of a Birmingham based ice rink were to make an approach they'd be very tempted. But it won't happen for a while I guess as the plans for a city centre ice rink in Birmingham have been shelved for a few years it seems.

But then, you know much more about the sport and the team than me so I'll bow to your knowledge on this.
 

bigfatronssba

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  • Dec 16, 2013
  • #82
theferret said:
Of course it makes economic sense, it is a much bigger market potentially. It is the same economics that moved the team from Solihull to Coventry. To be honest, I don't really care as I'm not a fan of the sport, but I am sure if the operators of a Birmingham based ice rink were to make an approach they'd be very tempted. But it won't happen for a while I guess as the plans for a city centre ice rink in Birmingham have been shelved for a few years it seems.

But then, you know much more about the sport and the team than me so I'll bow to your knowledge on this.
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But if you owned the Blaze, would it not be better to provide the Blaze with a local rival to generate big games? Surely you would just go and set up a second team in Brum?

Its just the same way that the Blaze bought the Hull Stingrays a few years ago. The Stingrays were about to go under and the Blaze bought them. It wasn't some kind gesture, it was to guarantee another fixture for the Blaze.

Fact is both Birmingham & Coventry can each support a team, and the more teams the better.
 
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Broken Hearted Sky Blue

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  • Dec 16, 2013
  • #83
wingy said:
Why another City ?

There is a vacant stadium looking to utilise Its facility.

I believe there is a cavernous level below the Pitch/Casino requiring some purpose.
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I believe there is a something above this cavernous level requiring a purpose:thinking about:
 
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theferret

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 16, 2013
  • #84
bigfatronssba said:
But if you owned the Blaze, would it not be better to provide the Blaze with a local rival to generate big games? Surely you would just go and set up a second team in Brum?

Its just the same way that the Blaze bought the Hull Stingrays a few years ago. The Stingrays were about to go under and the Blaze bought them. It wasn't some kind gesture, it was to guarantee another fixture for the Blaze.

Fact is both Birmingham & Coventry can each support a team, and the more teams the better.
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Quite possibly. To be fair I wasn't aware that it was possible for the same owners to own multiple clubs, I would have thought that would have created a conflict of interest, but I guess that isn't how it works in that sport so perhaps you're right.
 

bigfatronssba

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  • Dec 16, 2013
  • #85
theferret said:
Quite possibly. To be fair I wasn't aware that it was possible for the same owners to own multiple clubs, I would have thought that would have created a conflict of interest, but I guess that isn't how it works in that sport so perhaps you're right.
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Yes you can own multiple clubs, I don't know enough about it to know how that works in practical terms. I imagine there must be rules in place to prevent one club just sucking the other dry?
 
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blend

New Member
  • Dec 16, 2013
  • #86
Nick said:
Is it just coincidence that the most hardcore SISU haters for moving our club etc want to go and support a Franchise Team that has been moved? Is it just for something else to do or to prove a point?
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Just something else to do for me. My football team has been taken away so I'm happy to consider something alternative when it comes around. I don't know the history of the Blaze really, other than they used to be a Solihull based team. I don't think anything that I could do would ever change this though. If they were potentially thinking about returning to Solihull then I might think again, but they're not are they?!

Those picking on fans for going to Sixfields are the minority - I'd never go, but I can understand you going. Maybe you should try and rise above it by not picking up everything that others do all the time. Sometimes it looks like you are being defensive - you haven't got anything to defend so just let it go. You can't single people out for having a go at fans that go to Sixfields whilst then having a pop at people who go to watch us vs MK or go to watch the Blaze. If you feel that people should be able to do whatever they choose then behave like it.
 

lewys33

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 16, 2013
  • #87
fucking morons on here ......

how hard is it to quickly google why the blaze moved?! But of course people would rather jump on nicks "solihull blaze" franchise bullshit and use it as an argument to say it is morally wrong.

words cannot describe .....
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Dec 16, 2013
  • #88
lewys33 said:
how hard is it to quickly google why the blaze moved?!
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Well...

http://www.eurohockey.com/club/773-coventry-blaze.html?season=2015 says

In 2000-01, in order to attract a new and larger fanbase, the Blaze made the decision to move to the 3,650 capacity Coventry Skydome.
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http://www.theguardian.com/sport/story/0,3604,219231,00.html says

Solihull Blaze, known as such since the 1997 financial collapse of the Solihull Barons, will now be called the Coventry Blaze. Grant Chapman, a director, said the move to the £7m Skydome is "perfect for our needs".
Their old home has a capacity of 2,200, with limited facilities for corporate hospitality, basic seating and poor views.
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So all about the access to greater revenues eh?
 

bigfatronssba

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 16, 2013
  • #89
Deleted member 5849 said:
Well...

http://www.eurohockey.com/club/773-coventry-blaze.html?season=2015 says



http://www.theguardian.com/sport/story/0,3604,219231,00.html says



So all about the access to greater revenues eh?
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If you ever read Paul Thompsons autobiography you get a real idea as to what was going on.
 

CJ_covblaze

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 16, 2013
  • #90
theferret said:
Of course it makes economic sense, it is a much bigger market potentially. It is the same economics that moved the team from Solihull to Coventry. To be honest, I don't really care as I'm not a fan of the sport, but I am sure if the operators of a Birmingham based ice rink were to make an approach they'd be very tempted. But it won't happen for a while I guess as the plans for a city centre ice rink in Birmingham have been shelved for a few years it seems.

But then, you know much more about the sport and the team than me so I'll bow to your knowledge on this.
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Firstly wasn't trying to 'top trumps' you on knowledge there. With hockey in this country it makes more sense to set up another team rather than move one. It just wouldn't happen. Losing Coventry from the league would have a big impact on the other clubs as generally our fans do travel and also having us there brings in home fans at opposition's rinks (although not as many as a few years ago). The EIHL is looking (and has/needs) to expand so you're not wrong with regards to the Birmingham club idea. It just won't be at the expense of another club. There's a possibility of trying again in London and Newcastle/Durham along with other areas too.
 

CJ_covblaze

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 16, 2013
  • #91
bigfatronssba said:
But if you owned the Blaze, would it not be better to provide the Blaze with a local rival to generate big games? Surely you would just go and set up a second team in Brum?

Its just the same way that the Blaze bought the Hull Stingrays a few years ago. The Stingrays were about to go under and the Blaze bought them. It wasn't some kind gesture, it was to guarantee another fixture for the Blaze.

Fact is both Birmingham & Coventry can each support a team, and the more teams the better.
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Spot on.
 

lewys33

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 16, 2013
  • #92
Deleted member 5849 said:
Well...

http://www.eurohockey.com/club/773-coventry-blaze.html?season=2015 says



http://www.theguardian.com/sport/story/0,3604,219231,00.html says



So all about the access to greater revenues eh?
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haha I should have searched myself first really to check what it said online, my bad!

Anyway, it wasnt quite that simple!
 

Nonleagueherewecome

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 16, 2013
  • #93
Nick said:
Is it just coincidence that the most hardcore SISU haters for moving our club etc want to go and support a Franchise Team that has been moved? Is it just for something else to do or to prove a point?
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Can one of the mods delete this please? It's clearly off-topic
 

skybluefred

New Member
  • Dec 16, 2013
  • #94
Nick said:
I don't think anybody is moaning about the franchise situation, I know I'm not personally fussed.

In terms of entertainment, it is a pretty good night at the Blaze having a beer and watching. It is only good if there are plenty of fights though.
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So why not go and watch boxing then.
 

covcity4life

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 17, 2013
  • #95
ice hockey is a brilliant sport and does not rely on fighting whatsoever, stupid statement.
 
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Sky Blue Dal

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 17, 2013
  • #96
bigfatronssba said:
Yet the Blaze are currently the best supported sports club in Coventry & Warwickshire.

I shall be there.
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Lets be honest, they are more successful than the Sky blues. Just look at there honours list. Won a a few Elite championships and cups too. Now thats what you call winners!!

Will try and make it there too.
 
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lordsummerisle

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 17, 2013
  • #97
Sky Blue Dal said:
Lets me honest, they are more successful than the Sky blues. Just look at there honours list. Won a a few Elite championships and cups too. Now thats what you call winners!!

Will try and make it there too.
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If there were only 10 football clubs across Britain we'd probably have a bit of a better record.
 

lordsummerisle

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  • Dec 17, 2013
  • #98
lordsummerisle said:
If there were only 10 football clubs across Britain we'd probably have a bit of a better record.
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Nick

Administrator
  • Dec 17, 2013
  • #99
Nonleagueherewecome said:
Can one of the mods delete this please? It's clearly off-topic
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Just how the thread has flowed....
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Dec 17, 2013
  • #100
skybluefred said:
So why not go and watch boxing then.
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I do
 

torchomatic

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  • Dec 17, 2013
  • #101
No, because the team who team at Sixfields, Coventry City, haven't been franchised. Coventry Blaze were. They were taken from Solihull.

bigfatronssba said:
So, as you've been to Sixfields, does that mean you support franchising?
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Sky Blue Dal

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  • Dec 17, 2013
  • #102
lordsummerisle said:
If there were only 10 football clubs across Britain we'd probably have a bit of a better record.
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In league one (Div 3) and Championship (Div 2) maybe , In Premiership (Div 1) - Doubt it!
 

bigfatronssba

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 17, 2013
  • #103
torchomatic said:
No, because the team who team at Sixfields, Coventry City, haven't been franchised. Coventry Blaze were. They were taken from Solihull.
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So nothing hypocritical in it at all then is there?

Your agreeing that its two completely different scenarios?
 

CJ_covblaze

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  • Dec 17, 2013
  • #104
lordsummerisle said:
If there were only 10 football clubs across Britain we'd probably have a bit of a better record.
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Erm there's more than 10 clubs. Across the country there's probably 60 playing at a competitive level. In Coventry alone there's 2 professional clubs playing at the Skydome. There's also two pro clubs in both Nottingham and Sheffield with semi pro teams playing in both of those places too.
 
Last edited: Dec 17, 2013

lordsummerisle

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  • Dec 17, 2013
  • #105
CJ_covblaze said:
Erm there's more than 10 clubs. In Coventry alone there's 2 professional clubs playing at the Skydome.
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Wouldn't have thought they'd have needed to nick one from Solihull then.
 
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