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Orca

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  • Jul 14, 2016
  • #71
1. West Brom 44%
2. Sunderland 45%
3. Leicester 46%
4. Watford 47%
 
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Otis

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  • Jul 14, 2016
  • #72
stupot07 said:
Didn't Leicester have one xof the lowest possession stats in the league last year?

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Well yes, but I don't think they play a way an Allardyce team plays do they?
 
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stupot07

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  • Jul 14, 2016
  • #73
Otis said:
Well yes, but I don't think they play a way an Allardyce team plays do they?
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Which allerdyce team? Not all of them played a big man with route one football.

I keep saying that he wouldn't be my first choice, but I also don't see how he will set the team back years.

He gets labelled as long ball unfairly IMO, he played good football at Bolton, he also played some good stuff at west ham, and from what I saw of Sunderland towards the end last season they were hardly long ball hit and hope with Defoe standing up front on his own. You have to remember at a lot of these clubs hes been brought in to do a particular job, and to utilise the players he has at his desposal and play to their strengths.

Since Venables and reaching the semi final of the euros , we've had hoddle, Keegan, Erikson, McClaren, Capello and Hodgson -> all have failed. I really don't see how allerdyce can be any worse.

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SkyBlue_Bear83

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  • Jul 14, 2016
  • #74
fernandopartridge said:
Yes, that brilliantly successful Sunderland team.

Or the Bolton team, where he spent way way beyond the club's means in an attempt to qualify for Europe. Look where they are now.

Or his Newcastle and Blackburn sides, he left them both shortly before they were both relegated.

He's another Harry Redknapp, relying on idiot chairman to fund his splurges. He won't be able to do that with England and will have to work with what he's got.
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I'm pretty sure both Newcastle and Blackburn would not have been relegated under had allardyce stayed at them clubs.
 

SkyBlue_Bear83

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  • Jul 14, 2016
  • #75
Otis said:
Also don't believe this long game tag is a 'myth' as has been suggested.

Had that tag of a long ball merchant thrown at him for years, which he vehemently denies, but Sunderland last season had less possession than any other side and also played the least short passes of any side.

If we are going for Allardyce I think we may well need to start breeding a generation of Andy Carroll's.

Isn't there also going to be the problem of players playing for England in a style completely alien to how they play for their clubs?

I find it a worrying choice.
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Good, fed up of playing short passes sideways and backwards for years.
 

ccfcway

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  • Jul 14, 2016
  • #76
fernandopartridge said:
It doesn't have to be English.
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It should be. They should have a rule that only allows a manager from that country.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Jul 14, 2016
  • #77
Anybody remember people going on about the long throw being dated and ancient when we played Iceland?

It seems to work a lot better than letting big strikers take corners and free kicks that are on the half way line.
 

eastwoodsdustman

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  • Jul 14, 2016
  • #78
Everyone calling Allardyce a dinosaur needs to look into him a bit more. He was one of the first managers in England to embrace sports science and the like. He is well known as being very thorough with his team preparation and is forward thinking if he thinks it will help his team.
People hear his accent and manner and think that he's an old school type with a sheepskin coat, flat cap, cigar and a brown envelope full of used fifties. He's not.
 
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Otis

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  • Jul 14, 2016
  • #79
eastwoodsdustman said:
Everyone calling Allardyce a dinosaur needs to look into him a bit more. He was one of the first managers in England to embrace sports science and the like. He is well known as being very thorough with his team preparation and is forward thinking if he thinks it will help his team.
People hear his accent and manner and think that he's an old school type with a sheepskin coat, flat cap, cigar and a brown envelope full of used fifties. He's not.
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Are you trying to tell me he is NOT Mike Bassett?



Come on!!! They even look alike!
 
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COVKIDSNEVERQUIT

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  • Jul 14, 2016
  • #80
Otis said:
Are you trying to tell me he is NOT Mike Bassett?

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Come on!!! They even look alike!
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Can understand why the FA are taking to Sam Alladyce, the FA are all dinosaurs as well. :bag: :stop:
 
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stevefloyd

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  • Jul 14, 2016
  • #81
and football for England is not even a dinosaur its extinct
 

robbiekeane

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  • Jul 14, 2016
  • #82
i'd give him a chance. can't be any worse than woy
 

stevefloyd

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  • Jul 14, 2016
  • #83
Woy was so bad I hated him before he was appointed
 

chiefdave

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  • Jul 14, 2016
  • #84
Brylowes said:
So they obviously want an Englishman.
And he's the best we've got. !
Oh well.
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Pretty much sums it up.
 

ccfcway

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  • Jul 14, 2016
  • #85
Otis said:
Think we would play with a lot of fight and spirit under Alladyce, but that would be about it.
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That's a start !!
 
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Otis

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  • Jul 14, 2016
  • #86
But isn't that what we had before we started to try and play better football?

Wasn't enough before. Plenty of heart and spirit, but outplayed by everyone.
 

ccfcway

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  • Jul 14, 2016
  • #87
Otis said:
But isn't that what we had before we started to try and play better football?

Wasn't enough before. Plenty of heart and spirit, but outplayed by everyone.
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"try" .
 

Otis

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  • Jul 14, 2016
  • #88
ccfcway said:
"try" .
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Yeah. Just saying the old way didn't work either.
 

ccfcway

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  • Jul 14, 2016
  • #89
we have underachieved pretty much since I was born.

Paid far too much for inept managers and the players don't seem to care

England are similar

 
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Otis

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  • Jul 14, 2016
  • #90
In the olden days we use to be stronger and more physical than nearly everyone else and were regularly beating teams 4 and 5 nil.

Then everyone started becoming more athletic and we then got beaten by technique.

We started to compete with technique, but now the spirit and fight is missing, so we are going to go back to strength and power.

Think next world cup we are going to be accused of kick and rush and goal hanging I reckon.
 

ccfc92

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  • Jul 14, 2016
  • #91
It's a yes from me.

Can't think of any other realistic managers that will do much better.
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Jul 14, 2016
  • #92
I look forward to Sam Allardyce with his great experience of helping teams avoiding relegation or finishing mid table coming up against continental sides of the sort he's hardly met. Bobby Gould should have got the job when Graham Taylor got the sack by that rationale, and he won more than Allardyce.
Then again, how bad can it be?
 
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covhead1

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  • Jul 17, 2016
  • #93
BRIAN CLOUGH
 
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SkyblueBazza

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  • Jul 17, 2016
  • #94
covhead1 said:
BRIAN CLOUGH
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He's dead now Dave...doesn't stand a chance imo

...onwards & upwards PUSB
 

Captain Dart

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  • Jul 18, 2016
  • #95
SkyblueBazza said:
He's dead now Dave...doesn't stand a chance imo

...onwards & upwards PUSB
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Even though he surely would have been better than Woy.
 
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SkyblueBazza

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  • Jul 19, 2016
  • #96
Captain Dart said:
Even though he surely would have been better than Woy.
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He would probably achieved success on the pitch but rubbed too many 'up the wrong way' in the corridors of the FA...that's where & how we fail.
Money is no object, but ego's are absolutely priceless.

...onwards & upwards PUSB
 

stevefloyd

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  • Jul 20, 2016
  • #97
Cloughie was an absolute legend, wasn't afraid to make changes his teams played good football, their disciplinary was pretty good too, didn't think he was quite the same though without Peter Taylor but together they were fantastic
 

ajsccfc

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  • Jul 20, 2016
  • #98
They're only talking to Steve Bruce to make people feel better about Allardyce getting the job right?

Right?
 

stevefloyd

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  • Jul 20, 2016
  • #99
lets fucking hope so
 

Grendel

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  • Jul 20, 2016
  • #100
I'd prefer Bruce but anyway Big Sam is being offered the job tonight.
 

SkyBlue_Bear83

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  • Jul 20, 2016
  • #101
Allardici expected to be named in the next 24 hours, if the FA were insistent on English it's the best appointment we could have hoped for
 

higgs

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  • Jul 21, 2016
  • #102
Seems like a like for like swap with Hodgson and big Sam pretty much the same football and end result of under achieving again. Qualify again and then go out with a whimper

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SkyblueBazza

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  • Jul 21, 2016
  • #103
I actually give credit to the FA. They're trying a different character who has only really had the chance to work with a relatively small number of the very best players. His percieved hard-graft, disciplined & passionate approach certainly will be welcome imo

...onwards & upwards PUSB
 
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Wyken Sky Blue

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  • Jul 21, 2016
  • #104
I still have no idea why Hodgson got the job in the first place. Was never a good appointment in my eyes but I gave him.a chance and he turned out to be a failure.

The football hasnt been the hoof ball that Allardyce has been renown for from what I've seen when Sunderland have played. Go on Sunderland's forums and see how they feel.

It may not be exiting football but what this England team needs is a kick up the arse, brought back to earth and a winning mentality. I think Allardyce is the right man for that. He gets crap teams playing well and winning games and thats where we stand at the moment.

I look forward to the first game.

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clint van damme

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  • Jul 21, 2016
  • #105
Orca said:
Allardyce has always given the impression to me that he couldn't care less about egos and who'd been on the cover of a computer game. He cares only about winning. FFS he continued to pick the paedo Adam Johnson because he thought it would give him a better chance of 3 points.
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what a glowing endorsement!
 
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