Big Fish in a Small Pond (8 Viewers)

Grendel · Jul 27, 2012

dongonzalos said:
Do we think like a big club

In this league we should. The fact that we have the worst manager in the league suggests otherwise but even with that handicap I think well get promoted easily to be honest.

kg82 · Jul 27, 2012

Grendel said:
In this league we should. The fact that we have the worst manager in the league suggests otherwise but even with that handicap I think well get promoted easily to be honest.

The fact? I'm pretty sure that's not a fact, just a personal observation?

And clubs that have been down for as long as us that are similar size, without points deduction - Forest? I can't remember if they've had a points deduction or not, I didn't think so though?

EDIT: I'd actually say Forest are bigger than us too, but have been down for longer.

dongonzalos · Jul 27, 2012

I was thinking more whether our owners think like a big club. Don't big clubs pay the odd transfer fee.

dongonzalos · Jul 27, 2012

Would a big club have been in a transfer embargo as we showed our number one target round the Ricoh

CCFC Germany · Jul 27, 2012

To honest, I just do not care if CCFC can be regarded as a "big club" or not.
Doesn't matter at all, it just matters that we do not rot in 3rd Division...

skybluedaze · Jul 27, 2012

TasmanSeaSkyBlue said:
Like it or not, City are a very big fish in League One for the coming season. In comparison between us and the other 23 teams in League One :

Most Premier League Seasons: City 9, Pompey 7, Sheff Utd 3, Oldham 2, Swindon 1.

Biggest Stadium Capacity: Bramall Lane 32,609, Ricoh 32,604, Deepdale 23,408, Stadium m.k. 21,189, Fratton Park 21,178.

League/Premier League Champs: Preston 2 (last in 1889-90), Pompey 2 (last in 1949-50), Sheff Utd 1 (1897-98).

F.A. Cup Winners: Sheff Utd 4 (last in 1925), Bury 2 (last in 1903), Preston 2 (last in 1938), Pompey 2 (last in 2008) & Cov 1 (1987).

League Cups: Swindon 1.

League Members Cup: Carlisle 2, Bournemouth 1, Doncaster 1, M.K.Dons 1, Tranmere 1.

Good research and interesting reading. It highlights that Pompey have the most successful recent history, having won the FA Cup in 2008 and the 7 most recent Premier League seasons. Like Pompey, we've all ended up in League 1 for similar reasons, mainly financial mis-management. I reckon that leaves Cov the second most successful in recent times and Sheff Utd third.

ampthill_sba · Jul 27, 2012

Coventry on population is the 11th largest in England & Wales according to ukcities.co.uk. This should mean top flight support is available if only the club can match the ambition of the fans. It also means Wakefield and Bradford should be Premier League too...

Gaz · Jul 27, 2012

Grendel said:
In this league we should. The fact that we have the worst manager in the league suggests otherwise but even with that handicap I think well get promoted easily to be honest.

Just stop pretending, you love him really.

craigSKYBLUE · Jul 27, 2012

I think what coventry achieved in 34 years was remarkable.ok 1 piece of notable silverware but thats not the point.we mixed it with the big boys and were succesful in our own way.anybody noticed that the demise of our football club has gone hand in hand with the demise of the motor trade and many solid jobs in the city.
The last 15 years in coventry as a whole has been terrible,even the rugby club

Mucca Mad Boys · Jul 27, 2012

Although I would'nt say we are a 'big club', because we are not, I would say we are a 'big club' in L1 bearing in mind that teams like Stevenage, Yeovil, Crawley, MK Dons were in non-league/didn't exist, that alone would make us a 'big club' in their eyes (and ours) because we had been in the Premier League/Division 1 whilst they lingering in Non-League. Bearing in mind we have supporter potential to fill out the Ricoh, that would make us a big club as a lot of the clubs in our league have a stadium at least 1/2 as small as the Ricoh.

Grendel · Jul 27, 2012

ampthill_sba said:
Coventry on population is the 11th largest in England & Wales according to ukcities.co.uk. This should mean top flight support is available if only the club can match the ambition of the fans. It also means Wakefield and Bradford should be Premier League too...

Wakefield has a population significantly below ours.

dongonzalos · Jul 27, 2012

Out if interest. How many teams recently have been promoted from league 1 without spending a single penny on transfer fees.

Don't get me wrong I understand the reasons why we haven't. However maybe we just need a bit of a reality check.

Personally I still think we need a creative midfielder and an out and out goalscorer before we have a chance of the top six.

Grendel · Jul 27, 2012

dongonzalos said:
Out if interest. How many teams recently have been promoted from league 1 without spending a single penny on transfer fees.

Don't get me wrong I understand the reasons why we haven't. However maybe we just need a bit of a reality check.

Personally I still think we need a creative midfielder and an out and out goalscorer before we have a chance of the top six.

To date I cannot see a single transfer fee declared this season. Peterborough reduced their playing squad by 11 sold over £3 million worth of players, spent 10% of this and got promoted.

stupot07 · Jul 27, 2012

Grendel said:
Wakefield has a population significantly below ours.

It doesn't

2011 census
Coventry 318.6k
Wakefield 325.8k

It actually surprised me.

http://www.wakefield.gov.uk/AboutWakefield/Research/Census2011/default.htm

http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/coventry-news/2012/07/17/coventry-and-warwickshire-population-soaring-census-shows-92746-31408280/

Grendel · Jul 27, 2012

stupot07 said:
It doesn't

2011 census
Coventry 318.6k
Wakefield 325.8k

It actually surprised me.

http://www.wakefield.gov.uk/AboutWakefield/Research/Census2011/default.htm

http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/coventry-news/2012/07/17/coventry-and-warwickshire-population-soaring-census-shows-92746-E31408280/

it's incorrect the population is about 119,000 look it up on wiki.

Grendel · Jul 27, 2012

Grendel said:
it's incorrect the population is about 119,000 look it up on wiki.

I over guesstimated its 77,000.

Grendel · Jul 27, 2012

gaz said:
Just stop pretending, you love him really.

Oh you've found me out. He is my ultimate male fantasy.

stupot07 · Jul 27, 2012

Grendel said:
it's incorrect the population is about 119,000 look it up on wiki.

But that's Wakefield council's own website. Fook me Craig Beattie signed for us last week on wiki.

Grendel · Jul 27, 2012

stupot07 said:
But that's Wakefield council's own website. Fook me Craig Beattie signed for us last week on wiki.

The population is 77,000. I go to Walefield as part of my job really it's Nuneaton type size.

stupot07 · Jul 27, 2012

stupot07 said:
But that's Wakefield council's own website. Fook me Craig Beattie signed for us last week on wiki.

I stand corrected wakefield district council covers loads of towns, which begs the question what the hell is it doing on that cities list?!

Grendel · Jul 27, 2012

stupot07 said:
I stand corrected wakefield district council covers loads of towns, which begs the question what the hell is it doing on that cities list?!

Who knows and the only other big city is Bradford. The stats do say this is bigger than Coventry but this has always been a mystery to me. It always to me is an outskirts of Leeds.

ampthill_sba · Jul 27, 2012

So we conclude that Bradford is part of Leeds and Wakefield isn't a city, Bristol and Sheffield's populations are split between moderate sized clubs: leaving Cov in the Champions League!!

dongonzalos · Jul 27, 2012

Grendel said:
To date I cannot see a single transfer fee declared this season. Peterborough reduced their playing squad by 11 sold over £3 million worth of players, spent 10% of this and got promoted.

I can see your point. I assume no one in the past has won the league without spending a penny on transfer fees.

However if nobody else has spent a penny then maybe this season is different.

Although we have done a similar reduction to Peterborough but spent 0%

Mr T - Sukka! · Jul 27, 2012

Is everyone forgetting we are Coventry City FC not Manchester United!

This "Big club" talk is embarrasing. We are not a BIG club!

We are minnows on par with Yeovil!

We dont own our ground.
We dont buy players anymore.
We feed kids to plug areas of the first team.
We have no money.
Heavily in debt.
We have a scout as a manager.
The Ricoh will have more spare empty seats on a match day than fans in the gound.
We have SISU as owners.

Big Mo · Jul 27, 2012

Many other cities have 2 clubs and don't have a whole county on their doorstep with no significant teams. Whilst its understandable our support really is poor, to me that is why I find it hard to consider us a big team.

Astute · Jul 27, 2012

Big Mo said:
Many other cities have 2 clubs and don't have a whole county on their doorstep with no significant teams. Whilst its understandable our support really is poor, to me that is why I find it hard to consider us a big team.

Fook me, you are so right. At least we don't have clubs like WBA, Brum, Wolves or even further away clubs like fester to take fans away from 20 miles or less away from us It is a good job we are in such isolation as we are :thinking about:

Astute · Jul 28, 2012

Mr T - Sukka! said:
Is everyone forgetting we are Coventry City FC not Manchester United!

This "Big club" talk is embarrasing. We are not a BIG club!

We are minnows on par with Yeovil!

We dont own our ground.
We dont buy players anymore.
We feed kids to plug areas of the first team.
We have no money.
Heavily in debt.
We have a scout as a manager.
The Ricoh will have more spare empty seats on a match day than fans in the gound.
We have SISU as owners.

Try getting back to reality.

Are we a big club? As in like Liverpool, Man U, Arsenal, Man City............are we fook

Are we a smaal club like Yeovil, MK dons or any club in Div3 or Div4? Are we fook.

Average to slightly above average only. Just because we are amongst small clubs it don't make us a small club. When we were in the prem did it make us a big club? Did it fook. We are just a middle of the road club. Sleeping giant maybe, but not big or small.

Big Mo · Jul 28, 2012

Astute said:
Fook me, you are so right. At least we don't have clubs like WBA, Brum, Wolves or even further away clubs like fester to take fans away from 20 miles or less away from us It is a good job we are in such isolation as we are :thinking about:

Cov and Warwickshire is a plenty big enough catchment to attract decent crowds if people in this area were passionate about football

stupot07 · Jul 28, 2012

Big Mo said:
Cov and Warwickshire is a plenty big enough catchment to attract decent crowds if people in this area were passionate about football

Yep - cov and Warwickshire is about 850k population. We should easily filling the ricoh, but there's far too much apathy.

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