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donald_trumps · Nov 5, 2013

If we do get back to the Ricoh anytime in the next few months - does anyone feel the momentum that would be created. We already have a great young team, and imagine the crowds at the Ricoh. I feel that the last few months will have changed a lot of peoples' relationship with the Ricoh. I for one would not take it for granted and would be there week in week out.

I haven't been to Northampton, and pray that we go back because this could be a really incredible season for us all.

SkyBlueScottie · Nov 5, 2013

You don't know what you've got till its gone, which is true cos Q Tip told us Joni Mitchell never lies.

edgy · Nov 5, 2013

Absence makes the heart grow fonder.

I must admit, I grew to really dislike the Ricoh. The whole experience was crap.

And as much as I want this exciting young side to be playing there, I am nervous about the effect it might have on them. If we could push 16k-20k per game then great, however 9k in there and every "FORWARD" or "FFS BAKER" would be heard loud and clear...

stupot07 · Nov 5, 2013

We only got 10-11k last season when we were flying under Robins, so really can't see us getting 18-20k. We only managed to break 12k 4 times in the league last season. Our most important league match of the season vs Yeovil only had 11k just days after 30k paid a £5 for the jpt.

Yes we have an exciting young team, but we also have fans that won't go and watch that crap (I.e. League one football) and fans that won't go until sisu leave.

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sky blue john · Nov 5, 2013

Maybe this experience will make those fans who just hurled abuse sit up and think.
If we get back to the Ricoh then maybe those fans will be more supportive ?

WiganSkyBlue · Nov 5, 2013

sky blue john said:
Maybe this experience will make those fans who just hurled abuse sit up and think.
If we get back to the Ricoh then maybe those fans will be more supportive ?

And maybe those who sit near the boo boys will speak up and tell them to support these young lads and not knock their efforts and then their confidence. Some people really need reminding that they should support the team and not decry it, as sometimes happens.

covcity4life · Nov 5, 2013

cant see us being back at the ricoh anytime soon personally

Ashdown1 · Nov 5, 2013

edgy said:
Absence makes the heart grow fonder.

I must admit, I grew to really dislike the Ricoh. The whole experience was crap.

And as much as I want this exciting young side to be playing there, I am nervous about the effect it might have on them. If we could push 16k-20k per game then great, however 9k in there and every "FORWARD" or "FFS BAKER" would be heard loud and clear...

You miserable bugger ???!! I had become quite fond of the place after the 7 years. Especially the £40 notes a match I was pulling out of the casino each game and some of the pre match food and beer we had at the 'Greyhound' at Sutton Stop was very civilised. In truth you need a bit more infrastructure in the vicinity, a train stop and 15000 per match and you have a fantastic venue. It will never be like the old days of atmosphere, tension, terracing and ducking and weaving but where is??

edgy · Nov 5, 2013

It made me miserable Ashdown. Unless the team performed, which was very rare, I could never say I enjoyed the experience.

andyboy81 · Nov 5, 2013

IF we get back to the Ricoh it needs to be managed better on match days.

So depressing to look behind the goal and see it virtually empty because people are so spread out. They need to close off specific areas possibly the top 10 - 15 rows maybe even put some advertising hoarding on there so it doesn't look too out of place then if the tickets sell open an area up.
It would look so much better to have the crowd closer to the pitch and create a better atmosphere.

12k wouldnt look half as bad as 15k spread over a larger area then!

skybluelee · Nov 5, 2013

stupot07 said:
We only got 10-11k last season when we were flying under Robins, so really can't see us getting 18-20k. We only managed to break 12k 4 times in the league last season. Our most important league match of the season vs Yeovil only had 11k just days after 30k paid a £5 for the jpt.

Yes we have an exciting young team, but we also have fans that won't go and watch that crap (I.e. League one football) and fans that won't go until sisu leave.

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I agree to a point.

However, why was the Yeovil game the most important of our season? Also, that crowd was always going to suffer given that it was 4 days after the Crewe game, particularly with the disappointment people felt after that match.

I'd argue the Shrewsbury game was our most important league game last year. Large-ish crowd, in good form, expecting 3 points. That defeat really took the wind out of our sails imo.

Nobody really knows what the crowds will be when we move back. My personal view is that, for arguments sake (and I don't think it will happen), we were back at christmas and still playing well, the relief at being back home and the novelty of having a successful team (don't forget 43 years without a top 6 finish) would mean crowds of 15K+.

The one thing I am convinced about is that our first game back will attract 25K plus. In other words the same amount of ticket revenue SISU will generate in our next 10 league games at Shitfields.

Gint11 · Nov 5, 2013

I think a return to the Ricoh would bring higher crowds to start with because the team are doing well but also I think not being at the Ricoh for so long has made people realise what we lost. A return here I think would make people go at least for awhile. I would predict attendances around 15-17k with the way we are playing. Sixfields is a leveller for teams. Teams used to love playing at the ricoh and with the 'big ground' mentality, I hope the players will shine there if/when we return.

stupot07 · Nov 5, 2013

skybluelee said:
I agree to a point.

However, why was the Yeovil game the most important of our season? Also, that crowd was always going to suffer given that it was 4 days after the Crewe game, particularly with the disappointment people felt after that match.

I'd argue the Shrewsbury game was our most important league game last year. Large-ish crowd, in good form, expecting 3 points. That defeat really took the wind out of our sails imo.

Nobody really knows what the crowds will be when we move back. My personal view is that, for arguments sake (and I don't think it will happen), we were back at christmas and still playing well, the relief at being back home and the novelty of having a successful team (don't forget 43 years without a top 6 finish) would mean crowds of 15K+.

The one thing I am convinced about is that our first game back will attract 25K plus. In other words the same amount of ticket revenue SISU will generate in our next 10 league games at Shitfields.

I disagree Lee, Shrewsbury was always going to be a big gate with it being our only home game of the festive period, yes we lost that game and the following match but then picked up 10 points from 4 games, so was only a blip.

When we played Yeovil we were only 1 point off play offs, that defeat left us 4 points off play offs and we struggled to put another run together.

I really can't see us getting at where near 25k+ for the first game back.

Broken Hearted Sky Blue · Nov 5, 2013

stupot07 said:
I disagree Lee, Shrewsbury was always going to be a big gate with it being our only home game of the festive period, yes we lost that game and the following match but then picked up 10 points from 4 games, so was only a blip.

When we played Yeovil we were only 1 point off play offs, that defeat left us 4 points off play offs and we struggled to put another run together.

I really can't see us getting at where near 25k+ for the first game back.

I think it would depend on the price if they charged the 9-11 pounds they charged for last game at Sixfields then:thinking about:

Wheres Wally (and Fergie) · Nov 5, 2013

stupot07 said:
I really can't see us getting at where near 25k+ for the first game back.

Wouldn't surprise me if we virtually sold out first game back (if we ever get back!) My wife only said the other day 'Make sure you get me a ticket for the 1st game back' and she only goes once every year or so! After that, depends whether we are still pushing for play offs or meandering around mid table. 18k-20k the former, 12k-14k the latter. Whichever, just a tad better than Sixfields!!!

shmmeee · Nov 5, 2013

I can't see us getting less than 25k for the first match back, every casual fan (as in goes sometimes, not lapsed) will want to go and that alone will push it over 20k, after that it's all "get your tickets quick" in the Telegraph and you end up with another 5k easily. I remember many on here (largely the current pro-Sisu lot TBH) saying we'd never break 20k for the Crewe game FFS.

Have some faith in your team.

Speedies_Chips · Nov 5, 2013

stupot07 said:
We only got 10-11k last season when we were flying under Robins, so really can't see us getting 18-20k. We only managed to break 12k 4 times in the league last season. Our most important league match of the season vs Yeovil only had 11k just days after 30k paid a £5 for the jpt.

Yes we have an exciting young team, but we also have fans that won't go and watch that crap (I.e. League one football) and fans that won't go until sisu leave.

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Basically we have fans that don't need much of an excuse not to go. It's been like this for years and partly explains why we have always struggled financially.

ohitsaidwalker king power · Nov 5, 2013

WiganSkyBlue said:
And maybe those who sit near the boo boys will speak up and tell them to support these young lads and not knock their efforts and then their confidence. Some people really need reminding that they should support the team and not decry it, as sometimes happens.

Yes a good point you make-not always easy though-I remonstrated with a fan the year before last for his constant use of bad language 'F' every other word, it turned slightly sour with little or no support from others around me despite their displeasure at his behaviour.
However haven't most of the "targets" for that abuse been moved on... Mc Sheffrey, Bell etal...
Wouldnt this give us a 'new' start and a greater esprit de corps?

stupot07 · Nov 5, 2013

Wheres Wally (and Fergie) said:
Wouldn't surprise me if we virtually sold out first game back (if we ever get back!) My wife only said the other day 'Make sure you get me a ticket for the 1st game back' and she only goes once every year or so! After that, depends whether we are still pushing for play offs or meandering around mid table. 18k-20k the former, 12k-14k the latter. Whichever, just a tad better than Sixfields!!!

But we were 1 point from play offs vs Yeovil last season and only got 11k.

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covcity4life · Nov 6, 2013

agree with stupot

however first game back would be quite big i think 16-20k

letsallsingtogether · Nov 6, 2013

It will depend on how long we are in Northampton IMO.

If we stay there for the next 3 years they will have lost a lot of supporters who will never return.

If they returned after Xmas I would expect a big Crowd and even maybe a sell out against Wolves on the last day.

covcity4life said:
agree with stupot

however first game back would be quite big i think 16-20k

covcity4life · Nov 6, 2013

just can see it happening, 2 sides hate each other too much to do a deal.

blueflint · Nov 6, 2013

covcity4life said:
just can see it happening, 2 sides hate each other too much to do a deal.

getting that way with supporters as i hate SISU for taking my team away i will never support SISU now in any way i will not return to paying to watch until they go.
i'm only one supporter and don't go every week due to travel costs etc but i'm not alone feeling this way

The Gentleman · Nov 6, 2013

stupot07 said:
But we were 1 point from play offs vs Yeovil last season and only got 11k.

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Ok, but just say a miracle happened and we got back to the Ricoh for Christmas for the best present we all could wish for (apart from that Ferrari 458 I'm after) and we were 1 point from the play offs and won taking us into the play offs and the momentum built, what effect do you think that would have on attendances ?

stupot07 · Nov 6, 2013

The Gentleman said:
Ok, but just say a miracle happened and we got back to the Ricoh for Christmas for the best present we all could wish for (apart from that Ferrari 458 I'm after) and we were 1 point from the play offs and won taking us into the play offs and the momentum built, what effect do you think that would have on attendances ?

I still don't think they will be very high, mainly because away attendances are poor in this league. Agree with cc4l first game back will be 16-20k, certainly not 25k+, then it will drop off to 10-12k on average.

How many ST's do you think they would sell?

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The Gentleman · Nov 6, 2013

stupot07 said:
I still don't think they will be very high, mainly because away attendances are poor in this league. Agree with cc4l first game back will be 16-20k, certainly not 25k+, then it will drop off to 10-12k on average.

How many ST's do you think they would sell?

A lot more than at Sixfields. I don't think for one minute that we would fill or anywhere near it, but I do think that the fact that we were playing back at the Ricoh would have a positive effect on the attendances for the first few games and if we were to carry on in the same vain as we are now then why wouldn't they raise. I know there are some that won't go because Sisu/Otium are at the helm but didn't some of them stopped going before anyway. So if we were doing well and maintaining that push it would just bring out a lot other fans that were just not coming because of the poor performance on the pitch. With that in mind I would reckon on attendances of 15-18k depending on day/night game and opposition. Then if we were on the march for the play offs we could introduce some sort of stubbs for the play offs incentive which would boost it further.

On a separate note, you mentioned ST's. I wonder what they would charge if we did get back to the Ricoh for them compared to Sixfields and would the Sixfield goers have to pay the difference

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The Gentleman · Nov 6, 2013

Not sure how that ended up in your quote, It has been a long day:facepalm:

I was eleven in 87 · Nov 6, 2013

I would still like to know exactly how many season tickets that have been bought by fans who actually go to Sixfields, not including any freebies or player/staff tickets etc??

stupot07 · Nov 6, 2013

I imagine ST's would be sold at a higher rate than the Sixfields one maybe inline with last seasons costs. I imagine they would honour those that bought Sixfields STs but perhaps allocate them a space outside blocks 19-21 which are typically more expensive.

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covcity4life · Nov 7, 2013

i think current ST would get treated like kings at ricoh personally.

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