Best result from the JR (1 Viewer)

Astute · Jul 1, 2014

The JR to me was all about SISU winning or SISU losing. Everyone else couldn't get a win unless it brings our club home.

But there is one thing I am happy to have seen. The vast majority of us are finally all in agreement. Just about all of the stupid and petty arguments have stopped. People on here are in agreement for the first time in ages. Some are in agreement for the first time ever on here. Hopefully this will be the same as our fan base as a whole. This will give us a chance at last of all of us pulling in the same direction. More of a chance of us getting somewhere. This could have cost SISU in a way they never considered.

Bring on the next meeting with the fans SISU. You will certainly have some explaining to do on why you won't talk about a return to the Ricoh. Hardly anyone will listen to your excuses anymore.

letsallsingtogether · Jul 1, 2014

Some will!

Why because it is all the councils fault they cannot see the wood for the trees.

Astute said:
The JR to me was all about SISU winning or SISU losing. Everyone else couldn't get a win unless it brings our club home.

But there is one thing I am happy to have seen. The vast majority of us are finally all in agreement. Just about all of the stupid and petty arguments have stopped. People on here are in agreement for the first time in ages. Some are in agreement for the first time ever on here. Hopefully this will be the same as our fan base as a whole. This will give us a chance at last of all of us pulling in the same direction. More of a chance of us getting somewhere. This could have cost SISU in a way they never considered.

Bring on the next meeting with the fans SISU. You will certainly have some explaining to do on why you won't talk about a return to the Ricoh. Hardly anyone will listen to your excuses anymore.

CCFC PimpRail · Jul 1, 2014

But SISU haven't lost, they've yet to batter their opponent in court and obviously won't stop the appeal process until they have. Tim is also still playing the victim card- claiming ACL wouldn't entertain a temporary deal until Fantasy Towers is built. If this bothered them so much then why didn't they stay at the Ricoh on a long term deal, build the new stadium in secret, and then just walk out when it was ready...?

The truth is under their tenure, they have devalued their business need from one that could have suited a Prem/Championship yo-yo team, to one that thinks a stadium half the size would best suit the club...

Noggin · Jul 1, 2014

It's good to see the judges report and we can finally see with facts that it's nearly all been sisu's fault. It's important that people who happen to have been right don't rub it in the faces of those who haven't been right because it could just of easily been the other way around, I'm as guilty of being a dick as anyone else but if we want our fanbase to forgive each other and work as one again we need to let things go.

Astute · Jul 1, 2014

letsallsingtogether said:
Some will!

Why because it is all the councils fault they cannot see the wood for the trees.

Not seen that line since the judgement was passed. Which is part of what I said. It is hard to argue against a judgement especially when the judgement was against one side so much and when the reasons given make so much sense.

sky blue john · Jul 1, 2014

Its obvious to me that we will never return to the Ricoh under Sisu and they are just paying everyone lip service.
The only way now is the fans standing together to demonstrate and push them out of our club by pressure.
I mean demonstrations a boycott of Sixfields one week then the next fill sixfields with a mass Sisu out demonstration.
We also need to apply pressure to the fl. We need the council to publish in the Cet the best offer for a Ricoh return. This will force the fl to apply pressure to Sisu to make them build a stadium or return to the Ricoh !!
As a united front we need to be a real pain in the arse for Sisu. Up to now they have had an easy ride.
We want Sisu Out !!!

Astute · Jul 1, 2014

sky blue john said:
Its obvious to me that we will never return to the Ricoh under Sisu and they are just paying everyone lip service.
The only way now is the fans standing together to demonstrate and push them out of our club by pressure.
I mean demonstrations a boycott of Sixfields one week then the next fill sixfields with a mass Sisu out demonstration.
We also need to apply pressure to the fl. We need the council to publish in the Cet the best offer for a Ricoh return. This will force the fl to apply pressure to Sisu to make them build a stadium or return to the Ricoh !!
As a united front we need to be a real pain in the arse for Sisu. Up to now they have had an easy ride.
We want Sisu Out !!!

Not so sure about that.

It looks to me that the litigation route has about run to an end. A big legal bill from the JR could hasten this. So what would this leave?

It looks like only two things would stop them from bringing our club home. Liquidation or building a new stadium. But if they started building a new stadium they could easily bring our club home whilst it is being built. And like with the vast majority of us I don't think it will ever get built. Liquidation? It would have to be a proper liquidation next time. There are no contracts for them to want to get out of. They would be liquidating debts owed to themselves from our club. They can't liquidate to get out of players contracts. This would be counted as a football debt. They would lose the golden share as a minimum. This would also set in stone a loss for them instead of it being an investment.

And staying in Northampton is a no go. The FL would have to act. A couple of pictures a year done by a 10 year old won't be sufficient to keep the FL happy.

Tonylinc · Jul 1, 2014

" A couple of pictures a year done by a 10 year old won't be sufficient to keep the FL happy." Oh I think it will. They are only concerned to get their fixtures fulfilled. They have absolutely no regard for the fans.

Kingokings204 · Jul 1, 2014

Tim seems to want to come home now after he said he wants "peace and reconciliation"

A big payday on Friday looms and we get our tax money back. I am told the bill in total in around 250-300k. That's both sides costs.

Thank you sisu. You paid to mug yourselves off. Classic.

Grendel · Jul 1, 2014

Astute said:
Not so sure about that.

It looks to me that the litigation route has about run to an end. A big legal bill from the JR could hasten this. So what would this leave?

It looks like only two things would stop them from bringing our club home. Liquidation or building a new stadium. But if they started building a new stadium they could easily bring our club home whilst it is being built. And like with the vast majority of us I don't think it will ever get built. Liquidation? It would have to be a proper liquidation next time. There are no contracts for them to want to get out of. They would be liquidating debts owed to themselves from our club. They can't liquidate to get out of players contracts. This would be counted as a football debt. They would lose the golden share as a minimum. This would also set in stone a loss for them instead of it being an investment.

And staying in Northampton is a no go. The FL would have to act. A couple of pictures a year done by a 10 year old won't be sufficient to keep the FL happy.

I don't think they seemed very disappointed at losing the JR.

There are plenty of ways to batter people in court.

Sky Blue Pete · Jul 1, 2014

Pray tell Grendel we are all ears

Broken Hearted Sky Blue · Jul 1, 2014

Grendel said:
I don't think they seemed very disappointed at losing the JR.

There are plenty of ways to batter people in court.

You had better tell them how then because they haven't got a clue!

italiahorse · Jul 1, 2014

Grendel said:
I don't think they seemed very disappointed at losing the JR.

There are plenty of ways to batter people in court.

I'm waiting for a public flogging of Coventry fans to be requested at some point in the legal process.

sky blue john · Jul 1, 2014

For someone that doesn't support Sisu Grendel doesn't half sympathise with them !!

Grendel · Jul 1, 2014

sky blue john said:
For someone that doesn't support Sisu Grendel doesn't half sympathise with them !!

Where does that show sympathy? It's an explanation of their actions.

italiahorse · Jul 1, 2014

sky blue john said:
For someone that doesn't support Sisu Grendel doesn't half sympathise with them !!

Tim Fisher wannabee ?

Grendel · Jul 1, 2014

italiahorse said:
Tim Fisher wannabee ?

Did you ever get mouth ulcers after all the sisu cock sucking you used to indulge in?

Sky Blue Pete · Jul 1, 2014

All ears grendel

CCFC PimpRail · Jul 1, 2014

italiahorse said:
Tim Fisher wannabee ?

By the look that Tim had, I think he knew he'd be out of a job soon. Step up, Grendel...

italiahorse · Jul 1, 2014

Grendel said:
Did you ever get mouth ulcers after all the sisu cock sucking you used to indulge in?

Only one Sisu knob I know.

Tonylinc · Jul 1, 2014

I'm confused. I had Grendel down as a Sisu lover......was I mistaken?

Hobo · Jul 2, 2014

Grendel said:
I don't think they seemed very disappointed at losing the JR.

There are plenty of ways to batter people in court.

They have had five days to recover in private before the verdict was publicly announced. Since then they have released their pre prepared statements which have impressed very few.

Since you announced a few weeks back they would not be building a new stadium,
You must feel they will win an appeal or simply liquidate the club or put it up for sale?

Which donkey you backing Grendell?

The Gentleman · Jul 2, 2014

Grendel said:
I don't think they seemed very disappointed at losing the JR.

There are plenty of ways to batter people in court.

Really? What are the plenty of ways to batter people in court Grendel? You see in my opinion in court it is as black and white as it gets. Guilty or not guilty, win or lose. The recent Higgs case backs this up because there was some people on this forum literally dribbling about the revelation of certain documents and how damning that would be for the JR in Sisu's favour but when the JR comes around Sisu lose hands down.

Hobo · Jul 2, 2014

They were right though, the truth would come out in the JR:

What an unscrupulous company SISU are. Joy turning up and acting like she was on an edition of Rogue Traders.

The Prefect · Jul 2, 2014

There won't be a best result from the JR.

I recommend to everyone that they read the Judges report (perhaps skip much of the technical legal stuff) because it makes interesting insight as to how the club has been run, or not as the case may be. We have seen from the Higgs Charity case that SISU failed to provide proof of funds or a business plan when asked to do so when they tried to buy their shares. Same appears in the JR - no sustainable business plan for the club and no plan B if they couldn't acquire ACL by distressing it. Management failure by SISU and then some.

With SISU being a private investor and pursuing a JR on the basis that CCC invested £14.4m in a proifitable business it was a 50% shareholder of when a private investor wouldn't after they (SISU) throw £40m (reported) into a badly managed football club seems to be the definition of stupidity. The judgement was damaging to SISU and Seppala in particular (IMO).

And that's the problem. There's no commercial reason for the club to play at Sixfields it is there because Seppala has the power to put it there. She has the power to take legal action (justified or not) because she can cause nuisance by doing so. No rational thinking - more like the actions of a woman scorned.

shmmeee · Jul 2, 2014

Vexatious Litigation:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vexatious_litigation#United_Kingdom

Courts in England and Wales have the means of escalating the sanctions against a litigant who makes applications to the court that are "totally without merit":[SUP][30][/SUP]

Limited civil restraint order (formerly a Grepe v. Loam Order) where two or more applications totally without merit are made in a single proceedings. No further application may be made in the proceedings without the permission of the court.

Extended civil restraint order for "persistently vexatious behaviour" lasts for a specified period of no more than two years for "applications touching upon instant matters" and can only be granted by a judge of the Court of Appeal, High Court or a designated civil judge.

General civil restraint order for a maximum of two years for all proceedings in the High Court or specified county courts.

Further applications totally without merit can lead to withdrawal of the right of appeal. Harassment of the court and court officials can lead to a penal prohibition notice, prohibiting the litigant from contacting or approaching the court without permission.[SUP][31][/SUP]
HM Courts Service maintains a list of vexatious litigants.[SUP][32][/SUP]

letsallsingtogether · Jul 2, 2014

Did he get them from you?

At least he has seen the error of his ways man enough to admit when he was wrong.......

Unlike your good self......

Grendel said:
Did you ever get mouth ulcers after all the sisu cock sucking you used to indulge in?

letsallsingtogether · Jul 2, 2014

Amen Brother.....

The Prefect said:
There won't be a best result from the JR.

I recommend to everyone that they read the Judges report (perhaps skip much of the technical legal stuff) because it makes interesting insight as to how the club has been run, or not as the case may be. We have seen from the Higgs Charity case that SISU failed to provide proof of funds or a business plan when asked to do so when they tried to buy their shares. Same appears in the JR - no sustainable business plan for the club and no plan B if they couldn't acquire ACL by distressing it. Management failure by SISU and then some.

With SISU being a private investor and pursuing a JR on the basis that CCC invested £14.4m in a proifitable business it was a 50% shareholder of when a private investor wouldn't after they (SISU) throw £40m (reported) into a badly managed football club seems to be the definition of stupidity. The judgement was damaging to SISU and Seppala in particular (IMO).

And that's the problem. There's no commercial reason for the club to play at Sixfields it is there because Seppala has the power to put it there. She has the power to take legal action (justified or not) because she can cause nuisance by doing so. No rational thinking - more like the actions of a woman scorned.

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