"The league table doesn't lie" is the biggest lie.The league table is always the best barometer of where teams are.
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I'd be very surprised if the club doesn't massively use data
I'd be very surprised if the club doesn't massively use data
"The league table doesn't lie" is the biggest lie.
Let's get this afternoon's game out of the way first, scckmee
Edit:- I hope you know Scala
For anyone furiously combing through the stats we won 2-1.
Who's providing the software for these xG stats?
Fujitsu?
I don't think the copyright would be the issue per se, because you would develop your own algorithm/model so would own that.There’s a reasonable point here actually which is that all the models afaik are proprietary and closed source so we can’t critique them other than the final output.
I reckon with modern vision processing software you could feed a game in and get what you need to build an open xG model. Not sure how copyright would work though.
Where would Simms's attempt that went out for a throw in sit in xG?There’s a reasonable point here actually which is that all the models afaik are proprietary and closed source so we can’t critique them other than the final output.
I reckon with modern vision processing software you could feed a game in and get what you need to build an open xG model. Not sure how copyright would work though.
I don't think the copyright would be the issue per se, because you would develop your own algorithm/model so would own that.
The interesting part is who owns the data, I.e. does it belong to the players, the club, the broadcaster etc.
I think there is even a legal case at the minute with a former player arguing that all his training data etc belongs to him and he should be paid for it.
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Likewise, Sheff Wednesday’s xG would be skewed by their goal. It was a goal mouth scramble where 2 close range shots were saved/blocked before the goal.Where would Simms's attempt that went out for a throw in sit in xG?
It was at the other end obviously, but it looked a decent chance to me from over 100 metres away.
It's the algorithm/state machine that I'd like access to.
Chart gave me a boner to be fairFucking mental , imagine bumming that
If you scroll through this it shows the xG For all the shotsLikewise, Sheff Wednesday’s xG would be skewed by their goal. It was a goal mouth scramble where 2 close range shots were saved/blocked before the goal.
Aside from that, they didn’t really create much. Neither did we - it was a pretty scrappy away win.
Yeah it's great to look at but the thing to remember with this is it's just presenting you the raw data for individual shots (and not particularly reliable). To do a proper analysis on it you would need to apply some context.If you scroll through this it shows the xG For all the shots
Our highest was Ben Sheafs second, 0.29 xG, our next highest was the Godden shot in the 76 minute which was 0.10 xG
For them they had
Liam Palmer 52 minute 0.18 xG
Ugbo 68 minute 0.11 xG
Windass 68 minute 0.23 xG
Musaba 68 minute o.56 xG
Cadamateri 72 minute 0.11 xG
Wilks 89 minutes 0.29 xG
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No, it doesn't, which is why it's now being surpassed - it's considered the more basic of the advanced metrics.Does xG take account of incidents such as the ball across the box that Godden missed by a whisker? He didn't get a toe to it so does it count for nothing? You could ask the same about all dangerous crosses / moves that don't quite result in a goal attempt. They might come far closer to scoring than a tame effort from an unlikely position that has an xG attached to it.
field tilt, is that a thing? I'm sure I saw sometihng about this a few years ago.No, it doesn't, which is why it's now being surpassed - it's considered the more basic of the advanced metrics.
You can now look at expected threat etc which would involve things like that.
For example, Southampton dominated the ball for large parts against us but offered zero threat outside of their goal. While we played without the ball and arguably offered more goal threat with it - so you can look at metrics on this.
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To an extent, field tilt is generally the % share of the match you spend in the opposite half - but it's that kind of thing.field tilt, is that a thing? I'm sure I saw sometihng about this a few years ago.
If you scroll through this it shows the xG For all the shots
Our highest was Ben Sheafs second, 0.29 xG, our next highest was the Godden shot in the 76 minute which was 0.10 xG
For them they had
Liam Palmer 52 minute 0.18 xG
Ugbo 68 minute 0.11 xG
Windass 68 minute 0.23 xG
Musaba 68 minute o.56 xG
Cadamateri 72 minute 0.11 xG
Wilks 89 minutes 0.29 xG
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Does xG take account of incidents such as the ball across the box that Godden missed by a whisker? He didn't get a toe to it so does it count for nothing? You could ask the same about all dangerous crosses / moves that don't quite result in a goal attempt. They might come far closer to scoring than a tame effort from an unlikely position that has an xG attached to it.
Incorrect.xG ignores the quality of strikers - eg Harry Kane v Ellis simms - XG could be the same, but we know who will score more
? Are you saying that given a particular scoring opportunity, all players would be equally likely to stick it in the back of the net?Incorrect.
All players with the exception of Messi have regressed to the mean or advanced to the mean across the top 5 leagues - meaning xG remains accurate and largely there's little difference in finishing quality across the board.
I agree, I've recently been working with a couple of black guys and taken to calling everyone bro or bruv. It's corny as fuck and has to stopI tell you what I don't get, is how come white southerners started calling each other bruv.
It's most definitely not.I can’t for the life of me understand why people actively dislike advanced stats like xg.
At this point I automatically assume it’s an intelligence issue.
I can’t for the life of me understand why people actively dislike advanced stats like xg.
At this point I automatically assume it’s an intelligence issue.
Who are you singing that to?Seeming as people on here like making little singy songs…
Here’s one for the choir boys…
You can stick your fucking XG up your arse,
You can stick your fucking XG up your arse,
You can stick your fucking XG,
Stick your fucking XG,
Stick your fucking XG up your arse
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You simply can’t compare chess to any sport on a statistical level. The number of possible game states in football is infinitely bigger than a chessboard.
I lived in Deptford over 20 years ago and it was pretty common even then. It’s spread out to the Midlands these days as well, brav.I tell you what I don't get, is how come white southerners started calling each other bruv.
I hear you famI lived in Deptford over 20 years ago and it was pretty common even then. It’s spread out to the Midlands these days as well, brav.
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