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Because some on here bum XG (1 Viewer)

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Saddlebrains

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  • Jan 19, 2024
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This made me lol

 
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Evo1883

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  • Jan 19, 2024
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I reckon Preston fans were saying the same when they were 2nd with one of the worst XGs in the league .. won 5 in 20 since

Also crazy how 7 of the top 9 in the XG table , are actually in the top 9 .
 
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Sky Blue Harry H

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  • Jan 19, 2024
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https://giphy.com/9SNIGkJSVUSQ2yCrgt
 
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Skyblueweeman

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  • Jan 19, 2024
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I'm like that geezer. Seriously don't give a sh!t about xg. I'll confess that I haven't really looked into the data that goes into - and I'm a bit of a strokes gained nerd in the world of golf but xg seems like bullsh!t to me.
 
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clint van damme

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  • Jan 19, 2024
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I tell you what I don't get, is how come white southerners started calling each other bruv.
 
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Tomh111

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  • Jan 19, 2024
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Skyblueweeman said:
I'm like that geezer. Seriously don't give a sh!t about xg. I'll confess that I haven't really looked into the data that goes into - and I'm a bit of a strokes gained nerd in the world of golf but xg seems like bullsh!t to me.
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TLDR - I haven't looked at something, but I don't like it.

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Mucca Mad Boys

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  • Jan 19, 2024
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Evo1883 said:
I reckon Preston fans were saying the same when they were 2nd with one of the worst XGs in the league .. won 5 in 20 since

Also crazy how 7 of the top 9 in the XG table , are actually in the top 9 .
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People like the guy in that video who slate xG just misunderstand what it is.

In of its self, it isn’t important. However, it’s a key performance indicator. It is rarely the case that a team will be low on defensive xG and high on attacking xG and be lower down the table.

At the start of the season when results weren’t going our way, we were getting ‘unlucky’ draws or losses. We were outperforming our position in the table which suggested our form would improve and it did.

Teams like PNE, however, were underperforming their early league form. As the season progresses, the performances will even out and in this case, we’ve overtook PNE.

xG and other metrics are just KPIs and they’re useful tools to measure (and predict) a teams performance.
 
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Skyblueweeman

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  • Jan 19, 2024
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Tomh111 said:
TLDR - I haven't looked at something, but I don't like it.

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Re-read my post - 'I've not looked into the data that goes into it' - doesn't translate as 'I've not looked into it'.
 
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SBT

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  • Jan 19, 2024
  • #9
Feels like this guy:

a) Doesn't really understand how to make use of xG (or indeed xS)
b) Should consider upgrading from a Nokia 3310
 
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False9

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  • Jan 19, 2024
  • #10
Strong correlation between enjoying base level toilet humour and not being able to understand the xg concept.
 
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Philosoraptor

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  • Jan 19, 2024
  • #11
A bespoke GUI could beat xG every time.
 
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larry_david

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  • Jan 19, 2024
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I'm with the guy in the video. There was a game a few weeks ago XG was 2.25 compared to 0.04 and the away team won 0-1

Means jack shit to me
 
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itsabuzzard

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  • Jan 19, 2024
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Tomh111 said:
TLDR - I haven't looked at something, but I don't like it.

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Did you get the memo about using initialisms without explanation?
 
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SBT

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  • Jan 19, 2024
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larry_david said:
I'm with the guy in the video. There was a game a few weeks ago XG was 2.25 compared to 0.04 and the away team won 0-1

Means jack shit to me
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Does the fact that the xG stats instantly give you a better sense of what kind of game it was and who really deserved to win not mean anything to you at all?
 
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SonofErnie

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  • Jan 19, 2024
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larry_david said:
I'm with the guy in the video. There was a game a few weeks ago XG was 2.25 compared to 0.04 and the away team won 0-1

Means jack shit to me
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It tells me without watching the highlights that the winning team have scored from 30 yards out and the losing team have squandered several 1 on 1s and/or open goals.
 
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Jamesimus

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  • Jan 19, 2024
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SBT said:
Does the fact that the xG stats instantly give you a better sense of what kind of game it was and who really deserved to win not mean anything to you at all?
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No.
 

Yank

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  • Jan 19, 2024
  • #17
I only care about getting results out there, all stats nerds annoy me tbh.

Apologies if any on here are said nerds.
 

shmmeee

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  • Jan 19, 2024
  • #18
Yank said:
I only care about getting results out there, all stats nerds annoy me tbh.

Apologies if any on here are said nerds.
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I just like watching the game. Only nerds care about the numbers we get afterwards. 4-0? 2-2? Speak English nerds!
 
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Mild-Mannered Janitor

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  • Jan 19, 2024
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I cannot profess to understand it but if you have a high XG, then assume you are likely to score more goals but what if those XG chances fall to Liam Kelly all the time rather than O'Hare - does the XG get adjusted for shit players in good chance situations? Can I also put XG in non caps xg or is that a crime?
 

covcity4life

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  • Jan 19, 2024
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Not sure how anyone can think XG is bollocks at this point

Just because once in a while the results different doesn't mean overall it tells a accurate story mostly
 
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Evo1883

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  • Jan 19, 2024
  • #21
Almost exacty what happened to us , and why people argued that depite not getting results , we were creating and it will come
 
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Larry Fan

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  • Jan 19, 2024
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Evo1883 said:
Almost exacty what happened to us , and why people argued that depite not getting results , we were creating and it will come View attachment 33465
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It’s only the same as using shots on target or possession or any stat to help you review performance. Unsure why it offends so many.
 
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Evo1883

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  • Jan 19, 2024
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Imagine laughing at me @Boicey I'm guessing you're in hysterics now

Thread 'We simply have to climb the table at some point' We simply have to climb the table at some point
 
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skybluericoh

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  • Jan 19, 2024
  • #24
xGS and xGC are determined before a game, but you also have to factor the oppositions xGS and xGC. I think I read one of the equations in ironstones book of relatives some like if G=C, S=I and C=T ask Y and it = CITY
 

Noble

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  • Jan 19, 2024
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Mild-Mannered Janitor said:
I cannot profess to understand it but if you have a high XG, then assume you are likely to score more goals but what if those XG chances fall to Liam Kelly all the time rather than O'Hare - does the XG get adjusted for shit players in good chance situations? Can I also put XG in non caps xg or is that a crime?
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I think that’s PSxG (I only know this because someone mentioned Torp had good PSxG and had to look it up)
 
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PVA

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  • Jan 19, 2024
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xG isn't perfect but it's clearly a very good indicator of performance.

Also very useful for determining a goalkeeper's actual performance levels compared to save percentage. or a playmakers creative ability compared to just assists, to name a few examples.
 
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Saddlebrains

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  • Jan 19, 2024
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False9 said:
Strong correlation between enjoying base level toilet humour and not being able to understand the xg concept.
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Strong correlation between you and wet lettuce
 
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larry_david

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  • Jan 19, 2024
  • #28
SBT said:
Does the fact that the xG stats instantly give you a better sense of what kind of game it was and who really deserved to win not mean anything to you at all?
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Nope. 3 points do that
 
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Fergusons_Beard

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  • Jan 19, 2024
  • #29
Every single one of you is a stats fanny.

Irony is that Saddlebrains positively sucks the bell end off a form table.

Y’all look at the league table, look at the score, look at the number of yellow cards, the number of goals for and against and the number of points.

Before and after every single game.

XG is no different. A lot of folks have made a great deal of money utilising it.

So don’t slag it off because you don’t understand or are too ignorant to try.


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Frostie

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  • Jan 19, 2024
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larry_david said:
I'm with the guy in the video. There was a game a few weeks ago XG was 2.25 compared to 0.04 and the away team won 0-1

Means jack shit to me
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It's not designed for that in fairness.
 
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Tomh111

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  • Jan 19, 2024
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Fergusons_Beard said:
Every single one of you is a stats fanny.

Irony is that Saddlebrains positively sucks the bell end off a form table.

Y’all look at the league table, look at the score, look at the number of yellow cards, the number of goals for and against and the number of points.

Before and after every single game.

XG is no different. A lot of folks have made a great deal of money utilising it.

So don’t slag it off because you don’t understand or are too ignorant to try.


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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Jan 20, 2024
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larry_david said:
I'm with the guy in the video. There was a game a few weeks ago XG was 2.25 compared to 0.04 and the away team won 0-1

Means jack shit to me
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Look at Sunderland v hull . Hull won with an xg of 0.12 lol
 

Larry Fan

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  • Jan 20, 2024
  • #33
Sky Blue Pete said:
Look at Sunderland v hull . Hull won with an xg of 0.12 lol
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Which indicates Sunderland are lacking up front (they are) and that Hull are in poor form (they are). Another W for XG
 
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thekidfromstrettoncamp

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  • Jan 20, 2024
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Sky Blue Pete said:
Look at Sunderland v hull . Hull won with an xg of 0.12 lol
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I haven't got a clue how it works but if that means Hull should score about 1 in every 9 games on last nights evidence about right took a deflection to get that.(2 poor sides).If I watch games I form my own opinion .Mine last night was bar that lucky shot both would probably still be playing now and not scored
 
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Mucca Mad Boys

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  • Jan 20, 2024
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larry_david said:
I'm with the guy in the video. There was a game a few weeks ago XG was 2.25 compared to 0.04 and the away team won 0-1

Means jack shit to me
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Where do you think that team would end up in the table if they averaged 2.25 goals a game and expected to concede 0.04?

They would probably be comfortably league leaders. Again, xG is a performance indicator in the longer term.

Likewise, if you’re a manager, even if you win 1-0 away with an xG of 0.04, you’d take it but you’d also have to explore ways to improve performance.
 
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