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Tonylinc · Sep 26, 2013

But lets just suppose that we can gain promotion this season (I have no doubt that Shitzu will provide funding for the season) and that that will be the aim. What sort of money could they sell a Championship club for with no affiliation to any particular town/city?

Covstu · Sep 26, 2013

didn't Rangers want to buy Bury not too long ago!!!

play_in_skyblue_stripes · Sep 26, 2013

Tonylinc said:
But lets just suppose that we can gain promotion this season (I have no doubt that Shitzu will provide funding for the season) and that that will be the aim. What sort of money could they sell a Championship club for with no affiliation to any particular town/city?

I have had a theory for a while that Celtic or Rangers money men would pay a lot for a homeless club.

Tonylinc · Sep 26, 2013

Covstu said:
didn't Rangers want to buy Bury not too long ago!!!

I have no idea mate but this is a serious question. I really want to know how much they would get back of their investment should this ever become a reality.

skybluetony176 · Sep 26, 2013

play_in_skyblue_stripes said:
I have had a theory for a while that Celtic or Rangers money men would pay a lot for a homeless club.

i see where you are coming from but i cant see the FA sanctioning that, then again MK Dons. mmm i had not considered that before, its a possibility at least i suppose.

Tonylinc · Sep 26, 2013

play_in_skyblue_stripes said:
I have had a theory for a while that Celtic or Rangers money men would pay a lot for a homeless club.

Good point; never thought of that. Both clubs would love the chance to play in the English leagues.

Astute · Sep 26, 2013

Tonylinc said:
Good point; never thought of that. Both clubs would love the chance to play in the English leagues.

Even playing in Northampton ?

duffer · Sep 26, 2013

A few months ago I would have said that this is a preposterous idea, and that the FL and FA would never stand for the relocation of another club after Wimbledon.

It's the old saying though - if you stand for nothing you'll fall for anything.

If you offered SISU £20 million then they'd snap your hand off I reckon (whilst no doubt nicking your watch). If you've got a club you could locate anywhere, and the resources to push on from the Championship to the Prem, then the world's your lobster. Isn't this where SISU came in.

skybluetony176 · Sep 26, 2013

Astute said:
Even playing in Northampton ?

i think the idea is they would take the golden share to Glasgow and replace the sky blues with royal blue or green and white hoops.

Tonylinc · Sep 26, 2013

Astute said:
Even playing in Northampton ?

But that is exactly my point. The club is "homeless", and can be re-located to anywhere. A name change is easy.

Nick · Sep 26, 2013

Tonylinc said:
But that is exactly my point. The club is "homeless", and can be re-located to anywhere. A name change is easy.

Surely the club have been homeless for years? They are renting sixfields like we did the ricoh, we need a home we own

Tonylinc · Sep 26, 2013

Nick said:
Surely the club have been homeless for years? They are renting sixfields like we did the ricoh, we need a home we own

What! You really think that even if Shitzu did build a stadium we would own it?

Sbarcher · Sep 26, 2013

Rushden Rangers has a ring to it!

Tonylinc · Sep 26, 2013

If that ever happened we would still be tenants paying god knows how much rent.

skybluetony176 · Sep 26, 2013

Nick said:
Surely the club have been homeless for years? They are renting sixfields like we did the ricoh, we need a home we own

we are sofa surfing at sixfields, lodgers at best. like i said last night i grew up in a council house, we paid rent and it was our home, it was where we belonged and we wouldn't have accepted a house swap in Northampton.

play_in_skyblue_stripes · Sep 26, 2013

I was reluctant to post this previously just in case it gave SISU ideas. I hope I've not given
SISU a way out of their and OUR mess. If SISU find it impossible to build a new stadium because of
"unhelpful" councils after 5 years of trying then they may think they have a case to sell golden share to Scotland.

I'm against the Scotish teams playing in England but what is the difference to the Welsh clubs? Swansea play in Europe representing English league and two currently in prem. I suspect a lot of Prem clubs would be for the introduction on Celtic or Rangers. Perhaps not enough to get it accepted.

I hope my theory is rubbish!

Nick · Sep 26, 2013

skybluetony176 said:
we are sofa surfing at sixfields, lodgers at best. like i said last night i grew up in a council house, we paid rent and it was our home, it was where we belonged and we wouldn't have accepted a house swap in Northampton.

What if your rent was too high and you weren't earning enough to pay it and the closest suitable one was Northampton?

play_in_skyblue_stripes · Sep 26, 2013

Why would anyone want to live in Northampton ?

skybluetony176 · Sep 26, 2013

Nick said:
What if your rent was too high and you weren't earning enough to pay it and the closest suitable one was Northampton?

we didn't have access to food and beverage revenue created when the ice cream van, fish and chip van and alpine pop lorry came round either, perhaps we should have gone on rent strike and litigated the arse out the local council. i know i'm talking a load of bollocks but i didn't want you to feel you were the only one.

stop clutching at straws

Tonylinc · Sep 26, 2013

Nick said:
What if your rent was too high and you weren't earning enough to pay it and the closest suitable one was Northampton?

Nick; please join the real world. If Shitzu Towers ever gets built (which I doubt) do you you think that they will give CCFC free entry?

Grappa · Sep 26, 2013

What is wrong with you people?

You're either seriously mental or seriously mental.

Nick · Sep 26, 2013

Tonylinc said:
Nick; please join the real world. If Shitzu Towers ever gets built (which I doubt) do you you think that they will give CCFC free entry?

I personally don't know, if they do it would depend on the terms and how it benefited the club if they were renting, I would bet there would be more benefits than renting from the council though.

I don't agree with either by the way but we don't know what will happen or even if anything will be built .

People don't want them to build a stadium or to buy the ricoh do what is the preferred option for people who hate sisu? Do they want them to just rent from the council?

Paxman II · Sep 26, 2013

There is no evidence that if a stadium was built it would mean SISU owned it? The developer would own it. SISU would want a cut in the interest or even full ownership but that would be in order to receive a top dollar for the football club with stadium as a package. Just the football club and renting from a landlord such as SISU would likely be refuted by all potential purchasers so my best guess is they would sell as a package therefore gaining their investments back and perhaps a premium on them. It's possible and cost effective with payments to the developer no more likely than the club were paying for the Ricoh pitch! This time they have control of the stdium and all income streams from it.
Will it happen? I doubt it while there is still a stadium called the Ricoh lying empty...sooner or later the sides will elevate together. Miss interpretation of the rhetoric from Ms Sepella is not helpful. Ownership as she indicates could simply mean a leasehold interest without ACL and would require as I said before the disbandment of the council puppet owned ACL altogether and a new lease with the football club.

Tonylinc · Sep 26, 2013

Pax, you are missing the point here. JS wants to return to the Ricoh as owner......no compromises on that!

Nick · Sep 27, 2013

Tonylinc said:
Pax, you are missing the point here. JS wants to return to the Ricoh as owner......no compromises on that!

So you don't want then to build one or buy the ricoh so the other option is rent the ricoh? Is that the preferred option?

Tonylinc · Sep 27, 2013

Nick said:
So you don't want then to build one or buy the ricoh so the other option is rent the ricoh? Is that the preferred option?

Shitzu will not return to the Ricoh as either owner or tenant. They say that they intend to build their own stadium but that is B/S. They will wait for this season in te hope of promotion and then sell up in the summer.

Nick · Sep 27, 2013

Tonylinc said:
Shitzu will not return to the Ricoh as either owner or tenant. They say that they intend to build their own stadium but that is B/S. They will wait for this season in te hope of promotion and then sell up in the summer.

But what is your prefered.option? What proof is there of selling?

Tonylinc · Sep 27, 2013

Nick said:
But what is your prefered.option? What proof is there of selling?

I don't think that any preferred option has any validity. Shitzu will see the season out and will then sell to the highest bidder. The lot will be "a League 1/ Championship Club with no affinity to any city". I really feel that we have now lost our club!

Nick · Sep 27, 2013

Tonylinc said:
I don't think that any preferred option has any validity. Shitzu will see the season out and will then sell to the highest bidder. The lot will be "a League 1/ Championship Club with no affinity to any city". I really feel that we have now lost our club!

What proof or what has given you the idea they will sell?

letsallsingtogether · Sep 27, 2013

What proof is there that they won't Oh joys word, in it for the long haul new ground in the vicinity of Coventry but not in Cov like the rest on here I am probably wrong but have never heard a word from any one associated with Sisu or there companies that fill me with hope. ether way our club will never be the same fans are deserting in the hundreds never to return...Damn them for ever entering our City.....

Nick said:
What proof or what has given you the idea they will sell?

mds · Sep 27, 2013

Damn SISU for entering our City, jeeze, we wouldnt of had a team 6 years ago if they hadnt! They have screwed up, made a mockery of our club, our city, the team most of us have supported for life. Lets not forget Richardson and co who put us in the position where SISU ended up the saviours, without them who was going to keep the city going, we were hours away from being a none entity. Love them or hate them....WE NEEDED THEM!

If they build a ground, it will be our ground the team and the ground will be one, how else are they going to get anything like a return on their investment, they are not going away anytime soon.

SISU and a football club, no sisu no club, i know which i prefer like it or not!

NOPM i suggest all folks paying their council tax to stop, let the council feel it where it hurts Tell them we want the CITY AT THE RICOH....Exactly.

Sisu scewed up, big time in the early years, but they own our club, and i would like to think they genuinely want to bring them back home, time will tell, new ground or not SISU or not Sky Blues Forever.

Paxman II · Sep 27, 2013

Tonylinc said:
Pax, you are missing the point here. JS wants to return to the Ricoh as owner......no compromises on that!

Read my last sentence tonylinc again and think about that a little more.

At present the council will not relinquish the freehold. Ownership may mean the substantial leasehold interest. That's basically freehold without the bricks and mortar ownership. Alternatively the council could still realise they have a stadium on their hands that they did not exactly contribute to all that much in the general scheme of 113m, which stands them at around 20 or 30m? I'm sure Ms Sepella is trying to raise awareness of that fact and SISU clearly would be interested in the stadium freehold at that price range.
I think the pressure is building on ACL and the council to think very carefully about making to continue without any possible chance of the football club returning and what it means to them before it's too late.

Perhaps a way could be found to let SISU buy the freehold with a clause stating they must sell within 5 years and a percentage of that sale price is paid to the council over and above SISU's agreed exit figure? That may be a bit of fantasy but there are many ways that deals are made. It's not always as plain as black and white, ever.

Point is a deal should be made sooner rather than later. The tide will start turning against the council and ACL soon among public opinion and then heads will role.

Baginton · Sep 27, 2013

Tonylinc said:
But lets just suppose that we can gain promotion this season (I have no doubt that Shitzu will provide funding for the season) and that that will be the aim. What sort of money could they sell a Championship club for with no affiliation to any particular town/city?

Won't happen...

If we don't return to Cov (or very close to) the club will lose its golden share, you have to prove you can return financially wise within a certain time frame and pay/promise to pay a big bond, that particular door was bolted soon after MK Stealers won the right to relocate a club 60 odd miles away from its home.

Rotherham is a good example, they were made to pay a £1million bond and were given 3 years to return to the town after falling out with their landlords at Millmoor, they played at the Don Valley athletics stadium, while the did their new stadium.

The new stadium is a lovely little 12k all seater stadium (boo his, what about safe standing terraces) and it can be increased to 20k if and when required, and its all theirs !!

Nick · Sep 27, 2013

letsallsingtogether said:
What proof is there that they won't Oh joys word, in it for the long haul new ground in the vicinity of Coventry but not in Cov like the rest on here I am probably wrong but have never heard a word from any one associated with Sisu or there companies that fill me with hope. ether way our club will never be the same fans are deserting in the hundreds never to return...Damn them for ever entering our City.....

Because people just make stuff up with no proof and then say what proof is there they won't.

They haven't denied they will buy the ricoh and turn it into a giant hamburger , so I guess that is happening?

Loughborough Sky Blue · Sep 27, 2013

mds said:
Damn SISU for entering our City, jeeze, we wouldnt of had a team 6 years ago if they hadnt! They have screwed up, made a mockery of our club, our city, the team most of us have supported for life. Lets not forget Richardson and co who put us in the position where SISU ended up the saviours, without them who was going to keep the city going, we were hours away from being a none entity. Love them or hate them....WE NEEDED THEM!

If they build a ground, it will be our ground the team and the ground will be one, how else are they going to get anything like a return on their investment, they are not going away anytime soon.

SISU and a football club, no sisu no club, i know which i prefer like it or not!

NOPM i suggest all folks paying their council tax to stop, let the council feel it where it hurts Tell them we want the CITY AT THE RICOH....Exactly.

Sisu scewed up, big time in the early years, but they own our club, and i would like to think they genuinely want to bring them back home, time will tell, new ground or not SISU or not Sky Blues Forever.

you really think there would have been no club without SISU? We had, what was it? 7 offers for a homeless league 1 team in a complete mess this year. When SISU bought us, we were a reasonable championship team with a premier league quality stadium (albeit rented - but with an option to buy into the (leasehold) ownership at a favourable rate.

we would have had a buyer if we had gone into admin back then. No doubt in my mind at all!

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