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dadgad

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  • Mar 13, 2023
  • #386
Grendel said:
He was best friends with Enoch powell

He despised the EU even then and campaigned to leave it

keep up
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The number of irredeemably thick thickoes who conflate criticism of the EU with wanting ‘out’ when being a transformative partner is and has only ever been the sensible option. It is a tired argument but only Grendel after all.
 
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Cov kid 55

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 13, 2023
  • #387
olderskyblue said:
No, I’d prefer they clear most of them out and start afresh

to go:
Alan Shearer
Martin Keown
Danny Murphy
Jermaine Jenas
and… Lineker

to stay:
Micah Richards
Ian Wright

I like those 2, they add entertainment value to the punditry..

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I agree about Ian Wright, passionate and insightful. But Micah Richards drives me mad with his inane laughing. Give me someone like Matt Upson any day.
 
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Grendel

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  • Mar 13, 2023
  • #388
dadgad said:
The number of irredeemably thick thickoes who conflate criticism of the EU with wanting ‘out’ when being a transformative partner is and has only ever been the sensible option. It is a tired argument but only Grendel after all.
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What are you on about? It was in his manifesto!

He campaigned for the no campaign in 1975
 
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DionDublinsJockstrap

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  • Mar 13, 2023
  • #389
clint van damme said:
He didn't make a comparison between the two. Not sure how people still can't grasp this?
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1 - They deliberately make the comparison for political reasons
2 - They don’t want to because they like knocking successful people off their pedestals - Jealousy
3 - They can’t read
4 - They are too stupid to realise that they are being played by group 1 above
 
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SomersetSB

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  • Mar 13, 2023
  • #390
Is Des Lynam still available?
Rather have him than that six fingered Lestoh twat!!
Get Jeff Stelling on there next season!!
 

slowpoke

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  • Mar 13, 2023
  • #391
It’sabatch87 said:
Is Des Lynam still available?
Rather have him than that six fingered Lestoh twat!!
Get Jeff Stelling on there next season!!
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Take it you don’t like Gary Lineker.
 
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SomersetSB

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  • Mar 13, 2023
  • #392
slowpoke said:
Take it you don’t like Hary Lineker.
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Even don’t buy Walkers crisps, oh I’d love to play them soon.
 

oakey

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  • Mar 13, 2023
  • #393
Des Lynam. One of many excellent and popular presenters who were not former professional footballers.
Preferred those days as most ex-players are not up to the highest standards. IMO
 
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Mar 13, 2023
  • #394
skybluetony176 said:
The BBC backing down is an inevitable as it was obvious on day one. Tories proper throwing them under the bus at the weekend was the final nail in the coffin. Glad to see common sense has prevailed. Shame it came to this in the first place.
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But either way they get a decent result IMO.

If Lineker had have been stepped down without any backlash then they get the go-ahead to essentially censure BBC output that is critical of them.

If weget the backlash as we saw, they blame it on the corporation as a whole (rather than the Tory stooges they've put in that have caused it) and say that it isn't fit for purpose and the TV licence should have to go. Effectively leading to it being privatised and thus no longer having to offer balance. And it would be far more likely to end up in the hands of someone who was more pro-Tory and right-wing.
 

Grendel

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  • Mar 13, 2023
  • #395
oakey said:
Des Lynam. One of many excellent and popular presenters who were not former professional footballers.
Preferred those days as most ex-players are not up to the highest standards. IMO
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The likes of him and Brian Moore are indeed a cut above what we have ended up with now
 
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Grendel

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  • Mar 13, 2023
  • #396
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
But either way they get a decent result IMO.

If Lineker had have been stepped down without any backlash then they get the go-ahead to essentially censure BBC output that is critical of them.

If weget the backlash as we saw, they blame it on the corporation as a whole (rather than the Tory stooges they've put in that have caused it) and say that it isn't fit for purpose and the TV licence should have to go. Effectively leading to it being privatised and thus no longer having to offer balance. And it would be far more likely to end up in the hands of someone who was more pro-Tory and right-wing.
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Regardless of any politics what purpose does the BBC in terms of televised broadcasting anymore? Surely it’s bizarre we should be taxed to be subjected to state broadcasting in a democracy?
 
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Deleted member 9744

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  • Mar 13, 2023
  • #397
Grendel said:
The likes of him and Brian Moore are indeed a cut above what we have ended up with now
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They were dreadful.
 
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Deleted member 9744

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  • Mar 13, 2023
  • #398
Grendel said:
Regardless of any politics what purpose does the BBC in terms of televised broadcasting anymore? Surely it’s bizarre we should be taxed to be subjected to state broadcasting in a democracy?
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It's supposed to be impartial unlike all the other broadcasters who are owned by rich people who support the Tories. It's also much cheaper. Many people can't afford subscriptions to chanels like Sky and it would be disastrous for them if they lost the BBC. Of course people with your politics would love it and I suspect it is the Tories end game. Let's hope the election comes before it happens.
 

oakey

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 13, 2023
  • #399
Grendel said:
Regardless of any politics what purpose does the BBC in terms of televised broadcasting anymore? Surely it’s bizarre we should be taxed to be subjected to state broadcasting in a democracy?
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We're not taxed, at least not directly. It's a licence for a public good you can choose not to have. Like you can choose not to have a driving licence or pay road or fuel taxes but some of the funding for roads etc still comes from general taxation.
I'm in favour of more public goods not fewer.
It's also not state broadcasting, it's public broadcasting- a public service.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Mar 13, 2023
  • #400
Grendel said:
Regardless of any politics what purpose does the BBC in terms of televised broadcasting anymore? Surely it’s bizarre we should be taxed to be subjected to state broadcasting in a democracy?
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Its the envy of the world in terms of balanced news media and educational content. Why wouldn’t you want that?
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Mar 13, 2023
  • #401
Only the BBC will criticise itself in its own news reports.
 
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Grendel

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  • Mar 13, 2023
  • #402
Deleted member 9744 said:
It's supposed to be impartial unlike all the other broadcasters who are owned by rich people who support the Tories. It's also much cheaper. Many people can't afford subscriptions to chanels like Sky and it would be disastrous for them if they lost the BBC. Of course people with your politics would love it.
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You haven’t really engaged your brain here have you?
 

Grendel

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  • Mar 13, 2023
  • #403
shmmeee said:
Its the envy of the world in terms of balanced news media and educational content. Why wouldn’t you want that?
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I thought it’s riddled with Tory bias?
 

shmmeee

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  • Mar 13, 2023
  • #404
Grendel said:
I thought it’s riddled with Tory bias?
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There’s a definite pro government slant due to the mechanics of funding, but even with that it’s the most balanced news media IMO.
 
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Mar 13, 2023
  • #405
Grendel said:
I thought it’s riddled with Tory bias?
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The fact it's the most balanced says more about how disproportionately right wing the media owned by the tycoons are.
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Mar 13, 2023
  • #406
shmmeee said:
Its the envy of the world in terms of balanced news media and educational content. Why wouldn’t you want that?
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Just look at its contributions to the world through David Attenborough. All the spin offs from UK comedy in countries around the world. The export of BBC UK comedy all around the world. It’s trusted worldwide for news. And look at everything you get. TV channels, radio channels, on line services. Compare it to Sky, it’s far better value for money. Half the stuff on Sky is reruns of BBC programmes anyway, which all available on the BBC player for free.
 
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Grendel

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  • Mar 13, 2023
  • #407
shmmeee said:
There’s a definite pro government slant due to the mechanics of funding, but even with that it’s the most balanced news media IMO.
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I don’t entirely disagree but a compulsory prescription tax is in the 21st century a bit odd. I never watch bbc news never watch mod never watch question time at all

I do think it’s radio broadcasting is essential and should be preserved but TV broadcasting has to become more commercialised
 

skybluetony176

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  • Mar 13, 2023
  • #408
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
The fact it's the most balanced says more about how disproportionately right wing the media owned by the tycoons are.
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And most of them don’t make profit from their media outlets. They’re just a tool to most of them to use to brainwash the plebs into doing what they want them to do.
 

Grendel

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  • Mar 13, 2023
  • #409
skybluetony176 said:
Just look at its contributions to the world through David Attenborough. All the spin offs from UK comedy in countries around the world. The export of BBC UK comedy all around the world. It’s trusted worldwide for news. And look at everything you get. TV channels, radio channels, on line services. Compare it to Sky, it’s far better value for money. Half the stuff on Sky is reruns of BBC programmes anyway, which all available on the BBC player for free.
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What on earth on sky is re-runs? Half? really?
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Mar 13, 2023
  • #410
Grendel said:
I don’t entirely disagree but a compulsory prescription tax is in the 21st century a bit odd. I never watch bbc news never watch mod never watch question time at all

I do think it’s radio broadcasting is essential and should be preserved but TV broadcasting has to become more commercialised
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That's exactly what it shouldn't be, and is part of the problem. Successive governments have told it to chase ratings, and it's done that ahead of commissioning things because producers thought them good.

And yeah, its news is closest you'll get to objective. If both lefties and righties are complaining, it's doing its job.
 
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David O'Day

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  • Mar 13, 2023
  • #411
Deleted member 5849 said:
Only the BBC will criticise itself in its own news reports.
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it's quite meta to see them doorstepping themselves
 
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clint van damme

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  • Mar 13, 2023
  • #412
Deleted member 5849 said:
Only the BBC will criticise itself in its own news reports.
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Although drive ran with the latest on the Lineker story this afternoon but couldnt get any comment from the BBC! It was aa bit weird.
 
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DionDublinsJockstrap

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 13, 2023
  • #413
Grendel said:
The likes of him and Brian Moore are indeed a cut above what we have ended up with now
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Deleted member 5849 said:
Only the BBC will criticise itself in its own news reports.
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Deleted member 5849 said:
Only the BBC will criticise itself in its own news reports.
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Spot on
 

clint van damme

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  • Mar 13, 2023
  • #414
Grendel said:
The likes of him and Brian Moore are indeed a cut above what we have ended up with now
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Moore was a top class broadcaster with a huge interest in the lower leagues, think he supported Gillingham.
 
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Grendel

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  • Mar 13, 2023
  • #415
clint van damme said:
Moore was a top class broadcaster with a huge interest in the lower leagues, think he supported Gillingham.
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@Deleted member 9744 thought he was shit
 

clint van damme

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  • Mar 13, 2023
  • #416
Grendel said:
@Deleted member 9744 thought he was shit
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Well, I think most commentators and pundits divide opinion but I do think he's in a minority there.
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 13, 2023
  • #417
skybluetony176 said:
Just look at its contributions to the world through David Attenborough. All the spin offs from UK comedy in countries around the world. The export of BBC UK comedy all around the world. It’s trusted worldwide for news. And look at everything you get. TV channels, radio channels, on line services. Compare it to Sky, it’s far better value for money. Half the stuff on Sky is reruns of BBC programmes anyway, which all available on the BBC player for free.
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Its an absolute cultural powerhouse worldwide, and train a lot of international quality talent, as does C4. The idea every channel should be like ITV or C5 is ludicrous. Grendel just doesn’t want it for the same reason every other crank doesn’t. Because it’s not partisan to them.
 
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Skybluefaz

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  • Mar 13, 2023
  • #418
Grendel said:
@Deleted member 9744 thought he was shit
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Moore is probably my favourite of all. Great commentator.

Scratch that, I was thinking of Barry Davies.
 
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oakey

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 13, 2023
  • #419
Impartiality is overrated -
(or let's get rid of the only channel that tries to be impartial and caters for minority interests so we can pay daft subscriptions to channels, owned by foreign oligarchs, full of long adverts for products we don't need and have no interest in)
Discuss
 
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Grendel

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  • Mar 14, 2023
  • #420
oakey said:
Impartiality is overrated -
(or let's get rid of the only channel that tries to be impartial and caters for minority interests so we can pay daft subscriptions to channels, owned by foreign oligarchs, full of long adverts for products we don't need and have no interest in)
Discuss
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I think the bbc is not sustainable as it is.

Certain programmes should be streamed on subscription to raise funds such as drama programmes. It’s a myth most programmes are higher quality. The Luther film was partly funded i as done by the bbc but streamed first.

Sports coverage should be scrapped and offered as subscription and protected sports and events also scrapped.

News and radio and works service remains as funded by the government without a licence fee
 
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