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  • Start date Dec 14, 2024
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torchomatic

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  • Apr 19, 2025
  • #141
Perennial Lurker said:
Jesus , is Norm the new boo boy now JDS is playing well and Collins looking more assured ?
I just want every player wearing our shirt to play well , yes criticise but don't ostracise
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Seems like it. They'll drift back to slagging off Collins and JDS soon enough.
 
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torchomatic

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  • Apr 19, 2025
  • #142
skybluecam said:
He was playing against a team with 10 men chasing the game. You'd expect him to get more touches.

There's just no maturity or intelligence about the way he plays. After a stint out the side I expected him to be better.
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You'd better tell Lampard. I'm sure he'd appreciate your knowledge and advice.
 
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skybluecam

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  • Apr 19, 2025
  • #143
torchomatic said:
You'd better tell Lampard. I'm sure he'd appreciate your knowledge and advice.
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Stupid comment

But I'm sure Lampard saw the same and I don't think we'll see Bassette come on if we're in a similar situation again.
 

Otis

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  • Apr 19, 2025
  • #144
We have to give Bassette time. He's still very raw.

Yesterday,.for some reason,.he didn't even look match fit. His touch was awful and his positioning poor too.

We have to give him time though. There's no rush
 
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COVKIDSNEVERQUIT

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  • Apr 19, 2025
  • #145
stupot07 said:
Obikwu seems to be made of glass.
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Not another sick note that's all we need.
 

Mucca Mad Boys

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  • Apr 19, 2025
  • #146
Otis said:
We have to give Bassette time. He's still very raw.

Yesterday,.for some reason,.he didn't even look match fit. His touch was awful and his positioning poor too.

We have to give him time though. There's no rush
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The game had petered out by the time they’d came on. We did lose a lot of control after Grimes went off which was a minor concern. As good as Allen has been in some games, it wasn’t his best cameo yesterday.

The thing that did annoy me with Bassette was the naivety to attempt taking on a player in our own third and ended up losing the ball. That was stupid and those little details can cause us to concede.
 
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SkyBlueCharlie9

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  • Apr 20, 2025
  • #147
CCFCSteve said:
I agree with those that think he’ll come good. Tough call about loaning him, which would no doubt do him some good but he’s also exactly the type of player we should have as third or forth striker….young, developing and got enough ability to cause teams problems

Had a poor cameo yesterday but those 10 min spells are never easy. Also showed that simms was probably more effective than many realise during the game. He was a handful/nuisance occupying the CBs again even though it didn’t really fall for him. Anyone seen a replay of the push in the back/potential pen on Simms second half ?
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On Simms push, never mind a blatant penalty that was assault. As bad as the EMC (non) penalty v Stoke I think when keeper flattened him.
 
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Hobo

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  • Apr 20, 2025
  • #148
As a player coming onto the pitch for about 15 minutes, it is likely you will only get two or three touches. It is not easy to get into a game that is established and pick up the pace of the game. The first time you touch the ball you need it to be a good one.

Fans think every sub should be some super sub or at least as good or if not better than who they replaced. Subs are a gamble and often successful substitutions are as much luck as good judgement.

It is why sometimes managers are reluctant to make changes. Against WBA FL delayed bringing two players on because we were defending a succession of corners. Leave the players on who are focused and up to match speed.

Once the ball was cleared up to the half way line for a throw in, he brought them on. The delay while the subs come on also helps break up WBA's attacking momentum.

I don't judge subs too harshly. They need a good 20-30 minutes of game time to have a fair chance of really getting into the game. Otherwise it is as much luck as anything. Bassette's job was to come on and just run around with fresh legs to press defenders and be disruptive.
 
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Tommo1993

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  • Apr 20, 2025
  • #149
Hobo said:
As a player coming onto the pitch for about 15 minutes, it is likely you will only get two or three touches. It is not easy to get into a game that is established and pick up the pace of the game. The first time you touch the ball you need it to be a good one.

Fans think every sub should be some super sub or at least as good or if not better than who they replaced. Subs are a gamble and often successful substitutions are as much luck as good judgement.

It is why sometimes managers are reluctant to make changes. Against WBA FL delayed bringing two players on because we were defending a succession of corners. Leave the players on who are focused and up to match speed.

Once the ball was cleared up to the half way line for a throw in, he brought them on. The delay while the subs come on also helps break up WBA's attacking momentum.

I don't judge subs too harshly. They need a good 20-30 minutes of game time to have a fair chance of really getting into the game. Otherwise it is as much luck as anything. Bassette's job was to come on and just run around with fresh legs to press defenders and be disruptive.
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Didn’t even do that
 

Captain Dart

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  • Apr 20, 2025
  • #150
Hobo said:
Against WBA FL delayed bringing two players on because we were defending a succession of corners. Leave the players on who are focused and up to match speed.

Once the ball was cleared up to the half way line for a throw in, he brought them on. The delay while the subs come on also helps break up WBA's attacking momentum.
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Can confirm, correctly remembered.
 

Nuskyblue

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  • Apr 20, 2025
  • #151
Skybluecol said:
He's not ready to lead the line as a sole striker.

There's plenty of raw ability, but he's got to be paired up with Simms or as an impact sub.
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Playing off Simms would work.

Classic big lad little lad, well not little but rapid.

Could probably do with more than 10 minutes also.
 

Grendel

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  • Apr 20, 2025
  • #152
Nuskyblue said:
Playing off Simms would work.

Classic big lad little lad, well not little but rapid.

Could probably do with more than 10 minutes also.
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Simms offers nothing for other forwards to work with
 

Nuskyblue

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  • Apr 20, 2025
  • #153
Grendel said:
Simms offers nothing for other forwards to work with
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I dunno, he's looked more like making the ball stick up top recently. He seems to win headers and whatnot more regularly.
 

Skybluecol

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  • Apr 20, 2025
  • #154
Nuskyblue said:
Playing off Simms would work.

Classic big lad little lad, well not little but rapid.

Could probably do with more than 10 minutes also.
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He's not good enough to lead the line nor play off another striker at this level atm....far from it
 
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SBT

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  • Apr 20, 2025
  • #155
Nuskyblue said:
Playing off Simms would work.

Classic big lad little lad, well not little but rapid.

Could probably do with more than 10 minutes also.
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I could imagine Bassette doing better in a strike partnership (he’s hopeless as a lone striker) but there is also zero chance of us adapting our style/formation just to accommodate him.
 

mmttww

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  • Apr 20, 2025
  • #156
Grendel said:
Simms offers nothing for other forwards to work with
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Disagree. His touch can be sh*t but he's playing his part in a team that controls games, presses well and scores plenty.
 
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stupot07

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  • Apr 20, 2025
  • #157
mmttww said:
Disagree. His touch can be sh*t but he's playing his part in a team that controls games, presses well and scores plenty.
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I don't think you can say he scores plenty when he has just 6 league goals in 40 appearances this season.

 

mmttww

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  • Apr 20, 2025
  • #158
stupot07 said:
I don't think you can say he scores plenty...
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I didn't. I said he's playing in a team that scores plenty, and that I think he plays his part in that.
 
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stupot07

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  • Apr 20, 2025
  • #159
mmttww said:
I didn't. I said he's playing in a team that scores plenty, and that I think he plays his part in that.
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Fair enough, I misread what you'd posted
 

blunted

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  • Apr 20, 2025
  • #160
Just read an article that says players who fans show the love to perform much better. Constant criticism has the opposite outcome where a really good player is frightened to try anything in case they make a mistake.
I can't think of a bad player in our squad that gets plenty of minutes.
Bassette is young and needs nurturing not condemning.
There are posters on here who make it a virtue to constantly pick out a player to crucify. Occasionally their observations are eventually proved correct, but more often they are shown to have little football knowledge. They rarely admit to their rubbish observations.
They will be back when Collins, Sheaf or JDS have a bad game.
 
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quinn1971

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  • Apr 20, 2025
  • #161
so we’ve moved on from sheaf and Collins and da silva and kitching to bassette now, these subs are squad players, with our wage bill we’re not going to get class players sat on the bench, still wouldn’t give up on bassette just yet
 

mmttww

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  • Apr 20, 2025
  • #162
stupot07 said:
Fair enough, I misread what you'd posted
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or I posted gibberish. Either way, have one of these...

 
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Grendel

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  • Apr 20, 2025
  • #163
The other thing with him is this constant pantomime nonsense

He feigned injury in the dying minutes of the Portsmouth game and the ref could have stopped it
 

fatso

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  • Apr 21, 2025
  • #164
I think the issue is we only have one striker (Wright) that has been a constant goal threat.
Simms, BTA and Bassette havn't produced the goods, Bassette gets a pass (imo) due to being young and inexperienced, and he's clearly one for the future, but the other 2 have failed to deliver.
That needs to be addressed before next season.
 
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quinn1971

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  • Apr 21, 2025
  • #165
fatso said:
I think the issue is we only have one striker (Wright) that has been a constant goal threat.
Simms, BTA and Bassette havn't produced the goods, Bassette gets a pass (imo) due to being young and inexperienced, and he's clearly one for the future, but the other 2 have failed to deliver.
That needs to be addressed before next season.
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pretty sure by now Lampard realises we need something else up front Wouldn’t be surprised in the summer we get get a proper goalscorer in, move simms on and Asante, prob keep bassette. And have a look at obikwu,
 
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