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standupforcity · Aug 20, 2017

Why is it that games against teams in the bottom half of the table always cause us problems? Is it complacency? It seems we never truly turn up for games like yesterday. Yet give us a quality opposition and something to fight for and it's a different story, even if we lose the game. I was anxious driving up yesterday and sure enough my fears were fulfilled. This is where we have to make sure we win games...this will be the difference between promotion and another year in Div Two. I'm sure MR is aware of this, and let's hope yesterday was that reality check. One sloppy moment yesterday lost us the game...otherwise we might have held on and gained a point against a team better prepared than us on the day, which is what winning teams do....

Hobo · Aug 20, 2017

A bit of complacency yesterday I think. But also sometimes poor or average sides sometimes find it hard to dictate games and therefore mirror the level of the opposition. Good teams often allow you to play until the edge of the penalty area. Against poorer sides it is often just a scuffle all over the pitch.

skybluetony176 · Aug 20, 2017

I hate to say it but I think Robins also touched on it in his post match interview but it's about attitude and having a touch of the billy big bollox about us.

You see it with England all the time. They turn up at tournaments with their premier league wages thinking all they have to do is turn up because they have a big house and a Ferrari.

Then you get Northern Ireland, Iceland etc. turn up with very little in the way of premier league level players to none and play based on pride and passion not ego and go further than billy big bollox in the competition.

Egos build complacency, complacency builds things like bad passes, lack of effort etc. and before you know it you're on the back foot and stuck in a rut. Hopefully our boys have learned from this. I think that the next couple of games will shape our season. Not in terms of the importance of the result's of those games but in terms of application. We can lose those games and still go onto achieve in this league so long as we can change the application for or during those two games. If we can't change the application from yesterday I would suggest that the first two games flatter to device and we'll end up outside of the top 7. I noted with interest that a lot of people on the phone in yesterday were saying that actually despite the results we struggled with pass completion in the first two games also but got away with it.

Otis · Aug 20, 2017

skybluetony176 said:
I hate to say it but I think Robins also touched on it in his post match interview but it's about attitude and having a touch of the billy big bollox about us.

You see it with England all the time. They turn up at tournaments with their premier league wages thinking all they have to do is turn up because they have a big house and a Ferrari.

Then you get Northern Ireland, Iceland etc. turn up with very little in the way of premier league level players to none and play based on pride and passion not ego and go further than billy big bollox in the competition.

Egos build complacency, complacency builds things like bad passes, lack of effort etc. and before you know it you're on the back foot and stuck in a rut. Hopefully our boys have learned from this. I think that the next couple of games will shape our season. Not in terms of the importance of the result's of those games but in terms of application. We can lose those games and still go onto achieve in this league so long as we can change the application for or during those two games. If we can't change the application from yesterday I would suggest that the first two games flatter to device and we'll end up outside of the top 7. I noted with interest that a lot of people on the phone in yesterday were saying that actually despite the results we struggled with pass completion in the first two games also but got away with it.

Hmm, heard Stuart Linnell saying that too, but yesterday was so much worse. There were a few loose passes in that match against Notts County, but nothing like on this scale. This was through the roof.

skybluetony176 · Aug 20, 2017

Otis said:
Hmm, heard Stuart Linnell saying that too, but yesterday was so much worse. There were a few loose passes in that match against Notts County, but nothing like on this scale. This was through the roof.

Must admit I was thinking that. Got to see the Notts country game online and didn't think it was that sloppy but only saw highlights of the Grimsby game so it was difficult to see from that.

The only thing I know for sure is that yesterday we were awful and against a better opposition we'd have been put to the sword. Yesterday was always going to be a difficult game but we made it far more difficult than it needed to be by just not getting the basic's right.

Otis · Aug 20, 2017

skybluetony176 said:
Must admit I was thinking that. Got to see the Notts country game online and didn't think it was that sloppy but only saw highlights of the Grimsby game so it was difficult to see from that.

The only thing I know for sure is that yesterday we were awful and against a better opposition we'd have been put to the sword. Yesterday was always going to be a difficult game but we made it far more difficult than it needed to be by just not getting the basic's right.

But against a much better side would we have gone into the game with that same kind of mindset?

skybluetony176 · Aug 20, 2017

Otis said:
But against a much better side would we have gone into the game with that same kind of mindset?

That's the sixty four million dollar question. If we wouldn't have Robins needs to make sure it doesn't happen again. We can't be loosing too many games like that if we're serious about automatics or possibly even playoffs.

Old Warwickshire lad · Aug 20, 2017

When are we going to get real ? They looked a better side than us yesterday. Ok they created nothing and got a lucky goal, but they passed better than us all game.
We had one goal mouth scramble and two long range shots, how creative were we ? Get over it we are an average side that had a bad day. To be better we have to give it bollocks and work hard to get results.
Hard work and graft is the way out of this shit 4th division weather we like it or not, until we realise that we will stay where we are. (rant over :happy: )

stevefloyd · Aug 20, 2017

We looked disjointed yesterday no excuses for our bad passing but all credit to Newport it was their big day out and they turned up and battled, as I said before I liked their number 6 not much got past him, it was our lack of creativity that ultimately cost us, Jones was nullified and nobody else was there to effect a plan B maybe Andreu can become our link up man/provider/plan b and Biamou coming off the bench is not going to be our impact man

thekidfromstrettoncamp · Aug 20, 2017

It wasn't one sloppy moment that lost us the game yesterday standupforcity it was 90 sloppy minutes.

ceetee · Aug 20, 2017

You can't judge quality of teams by their league position after two games.

Newport were, and still are, unbeaten

My concern, only reinforced by yesterday's result, is that we will outplay sides and then lose to a stolen goal.

Ranjit Bhurpa · Aug 20, 2017

It was Strachan I think back in our Premier League days who said you have to give it 10 games before you start making objective assessments on how the season is going to pan out. Especially so for us this season in an unknown league where every game is a potential banana skin. How on earth can we make ridiculous statements after 2 games that we will be unbeaten after 10 games, or that the wheels have dropped off following our first league defeat? It's way too early to form any long term view.
As it is, we are averaging 2pts a game. Keep that up over the season and it's auto promotion form.

Otis · Aug 20, 2017

ceetee said:
You can't judge quality of teams by their league position after two games.

Newport were, and still are, unbeaten

My concern, only reinforced by yesterday's result, is that we will outplay sides and then lose to a stolen goal.

We didn't outplay them though.

I would be a lot more concerned if we were passing the ball about and finding teams hard to break down, but yesterday was all about us being unable to even pass simple balls most of the time and being unable to even probe a opening to penetrate their defence.

It's the worst passing performance I have seen for some time that. Very, very simple passes going awry.

steve82 · Aug 20, 2017

I'm disappointed with yesterday as we all are, but 3 league games in and this seems a good squad for L2 tho for me yesterday gave no real indication to say we're a average side or real promotion contenders with so many players being poor and gifting the win to Newport.
10 games in will give us a good idea, but we can expect many more home games like that.

ceetee · Aug 20, 2017

Otis said:
We didn't outplay them though.

I would be a lot more concerned if we were passing the ball about and finding teams hard to break down, but yesterday was all about us being unable to even pass simple balls most of the time and being unable to even probe a opening to penetrate their defence.

It's the worst passing performance I have seen for some time that. Very, very simple passes going awry.

I agree that we didn't outplay them yesterday but my concern remains.

Gazolba · Aug 20, 2017

Ranjit Bhurpa said:
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As it is, we are averaging 2pts a game. Keep that up over the season and it's auto promotion form.

Right now it isn't because several teams are averaging over 2 points a game.

Mucca Mad Boys · Aug 20, 2017

I'm not worried about it too much. It is the kind of game we need to be winning to have a successful season... That said, Newport with their new manager, are a good outfit. What concerns me is that we appear to struggle with teams who play 5 at the back.

I trust Robins will sort it out.

rupert_bear · Aug 21, 2017

The reality is we have replaced in terms of quantity man for man, We have to see if these replacements are better and an improvement or not, I think most are but time will tell. The one and only good thing from Saturday is it's clear the current forward line as a group are not good enough and for that to show early doors for me is good. I'm sure MR knows that too and an answer might be here or with a week to go before the transfer window closes he might look at that option.

Adge · Aug 21, 2017

rupert_bear said:
The reality is we have replaced in terms of quantity man for man, We have to see if these replacements are better and an improvement or not, I think most are but time will tell. The one and only good thing from Saturday is it's clear the current forward line as a group are not good enough and for that to show early doors for me is good. I'm sure MR knows that too and an answer might be here or with a week to go before the transfer window closes he might look at that option.

Indeed! Before a ball was kicked lots were saying that we have signed some great players and on paper it does look like good recruiting. How many came to that judgement having not seen most play I do not know. While the more sensible among us reserved judgement.

fernandopartridge · Aug 21, 2017

Adge said:
Indeed! Before a ball was kicked lots were saying that we have signed some great players and on paper it does look like good recruiting. How many came to that judgement having not seen most play I do not know. While the more sensible among us reserved judgement.

The more sensible have reserved judgement until their knee jerk reaction to say the forwards aren't good enough, on the basis of one game.

Mucca Mad Boys · Aug 21, 2017

Far too many people panicking. Disappointing result but I hope the players learn from it all. Teams will put 10 behind the ball against us and we've got to learn how to deal with it. They scored a goal O'Brien saves 9/10 - it should've been a draw... I'd be more concerned if we're thoroughly outplayed, and it doesn't sound like that's how the game went.

I do think we'll mix the starting line up and Andreu will start, a player who sounds creative enough to score/assist in those kind of games.

covcity4life · Aug 21, 2017

not sure about complacency, but nearl everyone was poor, we couldnt string 3 passes together successfully.

still it took a blunder to cause a loss. we will be ok this season

Liquid Gold · Aug 21, 2017

covcity4life said:
not sure about complacency, but nearl everyone was poor, we couldnt string 3 passes together successfully.

still it took a blunder to cause a loss. we will be ok this season

This

We wont be as bad as we were yesterday many times this season and we still only lost to a 1 in a million howler.

Deleted member 5849 · Aug 21, 2017

Liquid Gold said:
a 1 in a million howler.

Well... one in three so far

Newport · Aug 21, 2017

stevefloyd said:
We looked disjointed yesterday no excuses for our bad passing but all credit to Newport it was their big day out and they turned up and battled, as I said before I liked their number 6 not much got past him, it was our lack of creativity that ultimately cost us, Jones was nullified and nobody else was there to effect a plan B maybe Andreu can become our link up man/provider/plan b and Biamou coming off the bench is not going to be our impact man

I think you and others on here need to stop believing that teams coming to a 3/4 empty soulless bowl that you don't own constitutes as a big day out.

You were in the premiership 14 years ago, you haven't been big or relevant for over a decade - we've been to Wembley twice the past few years, winning once. Those are big days out, not a trip up the M6 to play another league 2 side.

You're attitude is precisely why you're in for more 'banana skins' and shocks this year.

Liquid Gold · Aug 21, 2017

Newport said:
I think you and others on here need to stop believing that teams coming to a 3/4 empty soulless bowl that you don't own constitutes as a big day out.

You were in the premiership 14 years ago, you haven't been big or relevant for over a decade - we've been to Wembley twice the past few years, winning once. Those are big days out, not a trip up the M6 to play another league 2 side.

You're attitude is precisely why you're in for more 'banana skins' and shocks this year.

Your fans and players celebrating on 90 minutes like you'd just won the fa cup suggests otherwise.

Newport · Aug 21, 2017

Liquid Gold said:
Your fans and players celebrating on 90 minutes like you'd just won the fa cup suggests otherwise.

Sorry, what do you do when you win away... light ripple of applause?

Pathetic comment.

Nick · Aug 21, 2017

Newport said:
Sorry, what do you do when you win away... light ripple of applause?

Pathetic comment.

I've never seen a celebration like it from any other team (and there are many) who have beaten us at home, not even when we have been hammered and they have torn us to shreds.

That's far from me thinking we are a premier league club or deserve to hammer every team 5-0. It's just having eyes and seeing your players dancing about like they had won a trophy.

no_loyalty · Aug 21, 2017

We need to find a way to break down teams who put 10 outfield players behind the ball, otherwise we will struggle this season

Newport · Aug 21, 2017

Nick said:
I've never seen a celebration like it from any other team (and there are many) who have beaten us at home, not even when we have been hammered and they have torn us to shreds.

:emoji_laughing:

Deleted member 5849 · Aug 21, 2017

Newport said:
I think you and others on here need to stop believing that teams coming to a 3/4 empty soulless bowl that you don't own constitutes as a big day out.

You were in the premiership 14 years ago, you haven't been big or relevant for over a decade - we've been to Wembley twice the past few years, winning once. Those are big days out, not a trip up the M6 to play another league 2 side.

You're attitude is precisely why you're in for more 'banana skins' and shocks this year.

Slightly odd.

Don't get me wrong, got a lot of time for Newport, the effort you've had to make to get back in the league is amazing - we haven't had to go to a new country (yet!) for our home games.

But... surely the fact you're playing a former top flight club is still a cause for celebration, given it wasn't that long ago you were playing at the level of Bedworth and Rugby. That ain't being Billy big-bollox, that's just pointing out it's something to celebrate for your lot.

Newport · Aug 21, 2017

Nick said:
I've never seen a celebration like it from any other team (and there are many) who have beaten us at home, not even when we have been hammered and they have torn us to shreds.

That's far from me thinking we are a premier league club or deserve to hammer every team 5-0. It's just having eyes and seeing your players dancing about like they had won a trophy.

It's called passion, something a couple of your players look like they could use a dose of.

Nick · Aug 21, 2017

Newport said:
It's called passion, something a couple of your players look like they could use a dose of.

I am sure it has happened every away game you have won. Running the full length of the pitch and dancing and jumping around like the league was one.

Newport · Aug 21, 2017

Deleted member 5849 said:
Slightly odd.

Don't get me wrong, got a lot of time for Newport, the effort you've had to make to get back in the league is amazing - we haven't had to go to a new country (yet!) for our home games.

But... surely the fact you're playing a former top flight club is still a cause for celebration, given it wasn't that long ago you were playing at the level of Bedworth and Rugby. That ain't being Billy big-bollox, that's just pointing out it's something to celebrate for your lot.

Luton were a former top flight club and we played (and beat) them in the conference, same goes for Blackpool, Pompey, Notts County etc

Football teams rise and fall, in all honesty I have no ill feeling towards Coventry, I think it's sad when teams fall by the way side by bad management and ownership.

However I think its quite patronising when fans of some of the aforementioned clubs, yourself included, think that teams coming to you will be in awe.

It was a great win for us on Saturday, mostly down to our miraculous escape last season and the feeling that has been carried over into this season.

The fact that Coventry were once a premiership team is irrelevant.

Otis · Aug 21, 2017

Liquid Gold said:
Your fans and players celebrating on 90 minutes like you'd just won the fa cup suggests otherwise.

Exactly. Even the local commentator mentioned it. Much wilder than normal from away fans. As if they had won something more than just the three points and it was a cup success or promotion.

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