Ball carrying centre halves (2 Viewers)

ms639 · Oct 26, 2024

Having centre halves who aren’t afraid to carry the ball is such a game changer in this league.

Our play off year we had McNally and Doyle who would pick up the ball and drive forwards, it makes other teams have to think. We haven’t done it all season so far.

2nd half today, binks was clearly told to advance the ball himself, made such a huge difference, arguably the only guy in the squad who can do it but was a massive game changer.

More of it please! Onwards.

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skybluecam · Oct 26, 2024

Thomas can do it tbf (and Lati really can’t). But not sure if Robins wants the height in the middle.

larry_david · Oct 26, 2024

Has to happen more. Especially when neither sheaf nor Eccles want to do it

ProfessorbyGrace · Oct 26, 2024

Does Kitching actually do it well? I genuinely can’t remember.

It can obviously leave us vulnerable on the break if the player is dispossessed, but I’m all for it.

I bet MR is kicking himself over buying Kitching, when for a bit more, he may have been able to prise Doyle from Man City.

hinckley cov · Oct 26, 2024

skybluecam said:
Thomas can do it tbf (and Lati really can’t). But not sure if Robins wants the height in the middle.

I thought Lati was excellent today some great tackles especially first half and Binks was excellent second half down the left , but they were all ball watching first half especially for their second goal were binks tried to go with him but Thomas stood there watching him run through.

shmmeee · Oct 26, 2024

skybluecam said:
Thomas can do it tbf (and Lati really can’t). But not sure if Robins wants the height in the middle.

Thomas has done it about twice and fucked it up on the halfway line about 85 times.

SAJ · Oct 26, 2024

ProfessorbyGrace said:
Does Kitching actually do it well? I genuinely can’t remember.

It can obviously leave us vulnerable on the break if the player is dispossessed, but I’m all for it.

I bet MR is kicking himself over buying Kitching, when for a bit more, he may have been able to prise Doyle from Man City.

Don’t think so Leicester offered £10 million for Doyle before they signed him on loan and Man Cuty turned it down.

ProfessorbyGrace · Oct 26, 2024

SAJ said:
Don’t think so Leicester offered £10 million for Doyle before they signed him on loan and Man Cuty turned it down.

I didn’t know that, thanks for the info.

£10 mil is a bit steep though, even for Doyle.

covboy9 · Oct 26, 2024

Our lads are wildly inconsistent

lati reliable but basic out and out defender
Kitching attitude problem and has proven to everyone he’s not good enough at this level
Binks looks a bit casual but jury still out for me
Thomas can be brilliant but can be hopeless, box of chocolates

Perennial Lurker · Oct 26, 2024

covboy9 said:
Our lads are wildly inconsistent

lati reliable but basic out and out defender
Kitching attitude problem and has proven to everyone he’s not good enough at this level
Binks looks a bit casual but jury still out for me
Thomas can be brilliant but can be hopeless, box of chocolates

Lati has been our best centre back this season , being reliable is a huge plus for any defender

Sky Blue Goblin · Oct 26, 2024

covboy9 said:
Our lads are wildly inconsistent

lati reliable but basic out and out defender
Kitching attitude problem and has proven to everyone he’s not good enough at this level
Binks looks a bit casual but jury still out for me
Thomas can be brilliant but can be hopeless, box of chocolates

Comes with being young developing players in regards to consistency. Just bar the course on that note.

Lati’s biggest plus is his reading off the game, helps the entire back line play better when he can organise them. Not as great on the ball but a true out and out defender.

Kitching was very good for our good form last year, could do a great job in the centre of our three.

Binks really won me over today, great use of the ball and amazing driver. Everything you want in a back three. Needs to continue on this path but really positive. Seems a steal for the price.

Thomas is a great sweeper and while can make mistakes, is someone who brings a much needed aggression into the squad.

I would target this area to bring in an experienced CB, to help develop the other four and bring experience to our back line. If we didn’t want to spend big funds on this, would look at plays like Santos at Bolton for this effect. Good ball user, international, 29 years old and A club captain (out of contract this year so wouldn’t cost a lot).

Perennial Lurker · Oct 26, 2024

Sky Blue Goblin said:
Comes with being young developing players in regards to consistency. Just bar the course on that note.

Lati’s biggest plus is his reading off the game, helps the entire back line play better when he can organise them. Not as great on the ball but a true out and out defender.

Kitching was very good for our good form last year, could do a great job in the centre of our three.

Binks really won me over today, great use of the ball and amazing driver. Everything you want in a back three. Needs to continue on this path but really positive. Seems a steal for the price.

Thomas is a great sweeper and while can make mistakes, is someone who brings a much needed aggression into the squad.

I would target this area to bring in an experienced CB, to help develop the other four and bring experience to our back line. If we didn’t want to spend big funds on this, would look at plays like Santos at Bolton for this effect. Good ball user, international, 29 years old and A club captain (out of contract this year so wouldn’t cost a lot).

It was an area we looked at this summer with Worrall and others and despite today's result we still need an older head

skybluecam · Oct 26, 2024

Perennial Lurker said:
Lati has been our best centre back this season , being reliable is a huge plus for any defender

He can’t fucking kick a ball, donkey

Perennial Lurker · Oct 26, 2024

skybluecam said:
He can’t fucking kick a ball, donkey

You really do let yourself down on this forum

Sky Blue Goblin · Oct 26, 2024

skybluecam said:
He can’t fucking kick a ball, donkey

Mate this is just bollocks. Lati isn’t going to play the long balls over the top but that isn’t what we want him to do.

We had 520 passes today with around 60-65 of them being Lati. He did well in defence today and decent in retaining possession.

Nothing really to Moan about today for his performance.

Perennial Lurker · Oct 27, 2024

Sky Blue Goblin said:
Mate this is just bollocks. Lati isn’t going to play the long balls over the top but that isn’t what we want him to do.

We had 520 passes today with around 60-65 of them being Lati. He did well in defence today and decent in retaining possession.

Nothing really to Moan about today for his performance.

Lati has been our best defender this season even including the full backs . He isn't technically gifted or has the pace of Usain Bolt but he gives his all , wears his heart on his sleeve and tries to lead the back line .
First half today , even at 2-0 down , he was throwing himself into tackles , trying to bully their forwards and generally marshalling our back line

Sky Blue Goblin · Oct 27, 2024

Perennial Lurker said:
Lati has been our best defender this season even including the full backs . He isn't technically gifted or has the pace of Usain Bolt but he gives his all , wears his heart on his sleeve and tries to lead the back line .
First half today , even at 2-0 down , he was throwing himself into tackles , trying to bully their forwards and generally marshalling our back line

Thought he did well today at keeping Morris quiet to be honest. Only issue today was him running up to press for the second goal which allowed space

Perennial Lurker · Oct 27, 2024

Sky Blue Goblin said:
Thought he did well today at keeping Morris quiet to be honest. Only issue today was him running up to press for the second goal which allowed space

I think he saw Eccles and Sheaf had vacated the midfield and tried to compensate . If Binks and Thomas had read the situation better then the goal might not have happened

SkyblueTexan · Oct 27, 2024

Sky Blue Goblin said:
Comes with being young developing players in regards to consistency. Just bar the course on that note.

Lati’s biggest plus is his reading off the game, helps the entire back line play better when he can organise them. Not as great on the ball but a true out and out defender.

Kitching was very good for our good form last year, could do a great job in the centre of our three.

Binks really won me over today, great use of the ball and amazing driver. Everything you want in a back three. Needs to continue on this path but really positive. Seems a steal for the price.

Thomas is a great sweeper and while can make mistakes, is someone who brings a much needed aggression into the squad.

I would target this area to bring in an experienced CB, to help develop the other four and bring experience to our back line. If we didn’t want to spend big funds on this, would look at plays like Santos at Bolton for this effect. Good ball user, international, 29 years old and A club captain (out of contract this year so wouldn’t cost a lot).

I think Santos was slow and lumbering in last year’s playoff final that Bolton lost to Oxford. Should try to recruit better than him.

Gibbo · Oct 27, 2024

Perennial Lurker said:
Lati has been our best centre back this season , being reliable is a huge plus for any defender

I have not been a great Lati fan but thought he put in a good shift yesterday. Won a number of telling tackles, was quick to cover. He obviously does not dominate in the air, but contests hard so little is lost. He is also a leader on the pitch.

But is he good enough to be one of 2 at the back given his lack of height? He suits a back 3 which some on here are dead against

covcity4life · Oct 27, 2024

It's so important and when it doesn't happen we end up passing the ball sideways on the halfway line like we have in many games this season

As I've said before this isn't a style to abandon, it's one to perfect

SAJ · Oct 27, 2024

ProfessorbyGrace said:
I didn’t know that, thanks for the info.

£10 mil is a bit steep though, even for Doyle.

I imagine as Maresca knew Doyle well he was aware of his potential. Not 100% sure but I also think Norwich tried to sign him this season before Man City agreed to a season loan. Given we paid £4 for Kitching it is then quite easy to see why Maresca would be willing to pay that amount. It wouldn’t surprise me to see him at Chelsea next season now as a permanent signing.

Sky Blue Goblin · Oct 27, 2024

SkyblueTexan said:
I think Santos was slow and lumbering in last year’s playoff final that Bolton lost to Oxford. Should try to recruit better than him.

Don’t disagree with your view just more the profile of what I’d want. In that he’s massive, has experience internationally and Age wise, and is decent on the ball. Not always concerned with pace in the middle of a back three as expect them to keep a little deeper to compensate like Faz in 22/23.

Jamesimus · Oct 27, 2024

Gibbo said:
I have not been a great Lati fan but thought he put in a good shift yesterday. Won a number of telling tackles, was quick to cover. He obviously does not dominate in the air, but contests hard so little is lost. He is also a leader on the pitch.

But is he good enough to be one of 2 at the back given his lack of height? He suits a back 3 which some on here are dead against

I am in the same boat, I don’t think he’s particularly good, but hard to argue that with his last two performances.

Fair play to him, he’s certainly got the right attitude and if he can play in a way that doesn’t expose his limitations on the ball, I’m sure he could continue to do well.

SwanLane · Oct 27, 2024

Not a particular fan of Lati but he had a very decent game yesterday. Put his body on the line, read the game well and defended well for the most part.

steve101 · Oct 27, 2024

Latibeudiere was the same v Preston. Some really good, aggressive defending. He is one player who is willing to get hurt for the team. He is also pretty good in the air, despite his relative size. If he doesn't win the header he uses his body well to make it difficult for the opponent. I know he plays a different position but he reminds me of Lloyd McGrath the way he defends.

clint van damme · Oct 27, 2024

Sky Blue Goblin said:
Comes with being young developing players in regards to consistency. Just bar the course on that note.

Lati’s biggest plus is his reading off the game, helps the entire back line play better when he can organise them. Not as great on the ball but a true out and out defender.

Kitching was very good for our good form last year, could do a great job in the centre of our three.

Binks really won me over today, great use of the ball and amazing driver. Everything you want in a back three. Needs to continue on this path but really positive. Seems a steal for the price.

Thomas is a great sweeper and while can make mistakes, is someone who brings a much needed aggression into the squad.

I would target this area to bring in an experienced CB, to help develop the other four and bring experience to our back line. If we didn’t want to spend big funds on this, would look at plays like Santos at Bolton for this effect. Good ball user, international, 29 years old and A club captain (out of contract this year so wouldn’t cost a lot).

Thomas was also very vocal yesterday.
Don't if he's decided that Dovins a mute so someone has to do all that talking.

rexo87 · Oct 27, 2024

Do think we need a more experienced defender to play in the middle of a back 3 if we are sticking with this formation

Great_Expectations · Oct 27, 2024

Binks is a good player. I know he gets mixed reviews on here, and defensively he needs to improve positionally. But on the ball, he can be very progressive and has great distribution.

Also can’t fault his commitment, he isn’t afraid to mix it or put in a big tackle.

He’ll improve with time and be a good all round defender.

He was noticeably stepping forward in the QPR game too and helping progress the attack. Hopefully we continue with that tactic.

clint van damme · Oct 27, 2024

Great_Expectations said:
Binks is a good player. I know he gets mixed reviews on here, and defensively he needs to improve positionally. But on the ball, he can be very progressive and has great distribution.

Also can’t fault his commitment, he isn’t afraid to mix it or put in a big tackle.

He’ll improve with time and be a good all round defender.

He was noticeably stepping forward in the QPR game too and helping progress the attack. Hopefully we continue with that tactic.

Binks also had a right go at the ref after their first goal and was clearly not happy that Kitching got booked for the foul ror the free kick just before the penalty but their player got away with a similar foul moments earlier.

And I think it worked because a few decisions went our way he he dished out a few yellows after that.

skybluecam · Oct 27, 2024

Sky Blue Goblin said:
Mate this is just bollocks. Lati isn’t going to play the long balls over the top but that isn’t what we want him to do.

We had 520 passes today with around 60-65 of them being Lati. He did well in defence today and decent in retaining possession.

Nothing really to Moan about today for his performance.

He just looks incredibly awkward on the ball, can’t progress it like Binks can and is really slow.

If I was an opposition manager I would be telling my players to target him with a press.

skybluecam · Oct 27, 2024

Perennial Lurker said:
You really do let yourself down on this forum

Ooooo

Sky Blue Goblin · Oct 27, 2024

skybluecam said:
He just looks incredibly awkward on the ball, can’t progress it like Binks can and is really slow.

If I was an opposition manager I would be telling my players to target him with a press.

Don’t disagree he’s not as good as Binks on the ball but again, he doesn’t have to be. If you rewatch the match, have a look at how we progressed it both sides.

From the left we used Binks who created an overlap/underlap with Jack and as such he has to be strong in the pass and ball control.

On the right to offset this, Milan came close or Eccles who would often then use Milan.

Don’t need all the squad to be the same as each other. Different tool for every job and all that. Lati is a good reader of the game, vocal and is a good stopper imo.

fatso · Oct 27, 2024

ms639 said:
Having centre halves who aren’t afraid to carry the ball is such a game changer in this league.

Our play off year we had McNally and Doyle who would pick up the ball and drive forwards, it makes other teams have to think. We haven’t done it all season so far.

2nd half today, binks was clearly told to advance the ball himself, made such a huge difference, arguably the only guy in the squad who can do it but was a massive game changer.

More of it please! Onwards.

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Binks was at fault for Luton's second goal yesterday, how many goals has he been at fault for now?

I want a centre half to defend first, anything else is a bonus, getting the odd set piece goal would be good, but being a competent defender first is way more important than being a ball carrier IMHO.

skybluecam · Oct 27, 2024

fatso said:
Binks was at fault for Luton's second goal yesterday, how many goals has he been at fault for now?

I want a centre half to defend first, anything else is a bonus, getting the odd set piece goal would be good, but being a competent defender first is way more important than being a ball carrier IMHO.

If we’re gonna play 5 at the back you have to have a CB who can step into midfield otherwise you’ll be outnumbered.

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