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Bakayoko at Walsall (1 Viewer)

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Nick

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  • Dec 11, 2018
  • #1
Think only Robins could imply he had some blame for Walsall's first goal.

“I thought he did OK,” said the manager who deployed the centre-forward in a changed position out wide.

“I thought he tired at the end but I had been looking how we could change the middle. You look at the left hand side and that was his responsibility today.

“For the goal he ended up the other side of the pitch and it looked more like two lop-sided strikers and he was off the right hand side rather than the left.

“I was looking to tighten that up when they put the ball in the box and scored that freak goal, really.

“He did OK and he worked hard enough but there is still miles more to come from him.”
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From Sky Blues boss assesses Amadou Bakayoko's return to side

Was it just me or was Shipley playing on the Left?

Was I watching the same game?
 
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ccfchoi87

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  • Dec 11, 2018
  • #2
Nick said:
Think only Robins could imply he had some blame for Walsall's first goal.



From Sky Blues boss assesses Amadou Bakayoko's return to side

Was it just me or was Shipley playing on the Left?

Was I watching the same game?
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I was a bit confused by the people on here thinking Shipley was on the left. To me it was a 4-3-3 and I thought it worked quite well.
 

Nick

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  • Dec 11, 2018
  • #3
He was more central behind Chaplin wasn't he? He certainly wasn't a winger.

How would Bakayoko have prevented the goal? I don't get it.
 

GaryMabbuttsLeftKnee

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  • Dec 11, 2018
  • #4
Nick said:
He was more central behind Chaplin wasn't he?

How would Bakayoko have prevented the goal? I don't get it.
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No idea how he could be blamed for the goal but I saw as CCFChoi87 from within the stadaium. 4-3-3 with Baka left of the front three. He drifted in now and then but predominantly was based off the left
 

Nick

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  • Dec 11, 2018
  • #5
GaryMabbuttsLeftKnee said:
No idea how he could be blamed for the goal but I saw as CCFChoi87 from within the stadaium. 4-3-3 with Baka left of the front three. He drifted in now and then but predominantly was based off the left
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I think in possession he was pretty central, defensively out of possession he was helping Shipley out on the left a lot. I just thought it was because Shipley needed a bit of help.

The goal from a long kick from their keeper on our right side, to the middle of our box where our defenders were lined up. Not too sure how he is trying to imply blame there?

It's a bit random. Especially when Burge went running out for no reason and Brown was stood about watching.
 

skybluegod

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  • Dec 11, 2018
  • #6
To be fair I don't think he is blaming him for the goal, after the match he clearly put the blame on Burge, but to point out he was out of position, is also not wrong?
 

Nick

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  • Dec 11, 2018
  • #7
skybluegod said:
To be fair I don't think he is blaming him for the goal, after the match he clearly put the blame on Burge, but to point out he was out of position, is also not wrong?
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I can't figure out what position he could have been in to change the outcome though? If the ball was his side I could understand trying to close the keeper down to put him off the long kick.
 

skybluegod

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  • Dec 11, 2018
  • #8
Nick said:
I can't figure out what position he could have been in to change the outcome though? If the ball was his side I could understand trying to close the keeper down to put him off the long kick.
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Well to be fair, a different player ina different position, might have meant a different outcome you never know, and to be honest it's all conjecture
 

Nick

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  • Dec 11, 2018
  • #9
skybluegod said:
Well to be fair, a different player ina different position, might have meant a different outcome you never know, and to be honest it's all conjecture
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Scraping the barrel a bit too be negative isn't it? Mentioning him slipping on his arse when the ball came into him would probably have more about it.

Not you, robins. Just seems strange
 

skybluegod

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  • Dec 11, 2018
  • #10
Nick said:
Scraping the barrel a bit too be negative isn't it? Mentioning him slipping on his arse when the ball came into him would probably have more about it.

Not you, robins. Just seems strange
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Yes it is, i agree .
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Dec 11, 2018
  • #11
Maybe it is just finding justification to drop him for Saturday? Will be interesting to see.
 
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higgs

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  • Dec 11, 2018
  • #12
I don't think robin's has much time for baka

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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Dec 11, 2018
  • #13
Where does it say MR was apportioning some blame on Baka? If he has then all it shows is that MR definitely has it in for him - that goal was the fault of Burge. Perhaps it's racism
 

Greggs

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  • Dec 11, 2018
  • #14
makes you wonder if Robins had anything to do with the signing of him
 
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Nick

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  • Dec 11, 2018
  • #15
higgs said:
I don't think robin's has much time for baka

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Have got impression for a while, Chaplin on Saturday was no better and less involved than Bakayoko was at Blackpool just without the offsides.
 
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SkyBlueScottie

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  • Dec 11, 2018
  • #16
Nick said:
I can't figure out what position he could have been in to change the outcome though? If the ball was his side I could understand trying to close the keeper down to put him off the long kick.
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I wasn't at the game, and have not seen the goals, perhaps if he had been on the left Walsall wouldn't have attacked on that side of that pitch? Purely by standing in a different position he could influence the game.
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Dec 11, 2018
  • #17
Greggs said:
makes you wonder if Robins had anything to do with the signing of him
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I don't think MR had much say on signings that much other than Chaplin, which was probably to ease his frustration at losing McNulty. He's seemed less than enthused by both Hiwula and Baka, and he's pretty much openly said that all the U23 development signings were down to recruitment rather than him.

It's not a system I like - I prefer manager to have control of signings if he's deciding the team, formation and tactics. Give him the control but make it very clear he also then takes on more of the responsibility for how the team performs and he'll be under pressure much sooner if things aren't going well.

By all means have a guy to sort out deals so he can concentrate on the team during the season but Head of Recruitment should just be working their way down a list provided by the manager and if they get a deal set up the manager still has to green light it for it to go ahead.
 

Nick

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  • Dec 11, 2018
  • #18
SkyBlueScottie said:
I wasn't at the game, and have not seen the goals, perhaps if he had been on the left Walsall wouldn't have attacked on that side of that pitch? Purely by standing in a different position he could influence the game.
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The ball came direct from their keeper on our right hand side of the pitch directly to the edge of our box.
 

Nick

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  • Dec 11, 2018
  • #19
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
I don't think MR had much say on signings that much other than Chaplin, which was probably to ease his frustration at losing McNulty. He's seemed less than enthused by both Hiwula and Baka, and he's pretty much openly said that all the U23 development signings were down to recruitment rather than him.

It's not a system I like - I prefer manager to have control of signings if he's deciding the team, formation and tactics. Give him the control but make it very clear he also then takes on more of the responsibility for how the team performs and he'll be under pressure much sooner if things aren't going well.

By all means have a guy to sort out deals so he can concentrate on the team during the season but Head of Recruitment should just be working their way down a list provided by the manager and if they get a deal set up the manager still has to green light it for it to go ahead.
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The U23 signing was much better than his main signing on Saturday and has a better goals to minutes ratio... A bit strange.
 

sw88

Chief Commentator!
  • Dec 11, 2018
  • #20
Another example of Robins seemingly having an issue with Baka. Wouldn’t be surprised if he’s offered out to other clubs in January! It’s been clear here both times Robins’ has been here if he has his favourites, they stay his favourites. If he doesn’t like you, you will struggle to change his opinion.
 

Earlsdon_Skyblue1

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  • Dec 11, 2018
  • #21
It doesn't surprise me at all. Robins clearly has his favourites. You get it from his post game comments and I find it frustrating.

He rarely accepts and considers addressing the main reason for us doing badly recently, which is players like JCH, Chaplin, Hiwula and Thomas missing chance after chance. He will then blame the defence or keeper for an uncommon mistake and appear furious with them.

I expect some of the signings weren't his, but it's tough shit now. He's got to get the best out of what he's got.
 
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Magwitch

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  • Dec 11, 2018
  • #22
I’ve looked at that Burge error and how anyone other than him can be blamed is a mystery my take, might be wrong is Burge came out to catch a long punt mis-judged the flight with the ball dropping on the edge of his area, think he had been booked so he backed out handling the ball in case it got him a second caution and a subsequent sending off, 100% goalkeeper error, it happens.
 
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larry_david

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  • Dec 11, 2018
  • #23
Burge error. No one else. Doesn't matter if we had 15 players on the pitch, if your goalie does that, you're fucked. All tactics and formations go out the window when on 91 mins your keeper does that
 
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Esoterica

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  • Dec 12, 2018
  • #24
Nick said:
I think in possession he was pretty central, defensively out of possession he was helping Shipley out on the left a lot. I just thought it was because Shipley needed a bit of help.

The goal from a long kick from their keeper on our right side, to the middle of our box where our defenders were lined up. Not too sure how he is trying to imply blame there?

It's a bit random. Especially when Burge went running out for no reason and Brown was stood about watching.
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That's shocked me. At no point did I think it was a 4-3-3. I just thought we were playing 442 (well 4-1-3-2) but Baka had a free role and the space was on the left as Shipley naturally had a deeper starting position than Hiwula had previously. He truly was all over the place if he was supposed to be playing in a 3 though. Does beg the question why Robins waited til the 90th minute to tighten that up though!
 
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Nick

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  • Dec 12, 2018
  • #25
Esoterica said:
That's shocked me. At no point did I think it was a 4-3-3. I just thought we were playing 442 (well 4-1-3-2) but Baka had a free role and the space was on the left as Shipley naturally had a deeper starting position than Hiwula had previously. He truly was all over the place if he was supposed to be playing in a 3 though. Does beg the question why Robins waited til the 90th minute to tighten that up though!
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It just seems a bit random to try and claim he was partly at fault for their goal. At fault for falling on his arse yes, just can't see even if he was hugging the left touch line how it would have made any difference.
 

Mucca Mad Boys

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  • Dec 12, 2018
  • #26
larry_david said:
Burge error. No one else. Doesn't matter if we had 15 players on the pitch, if your goalie does that, you're fucked. All tactics and formations go out the window when on 91 mins your keeper does that
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Yeah, but had we taken our chances it wouldn’t have mattered if Burge made the mistake. We also conceded a penalty to lose the game. Pinning it on ‘no one else,’ just Burge is just plain stupid.

The game should’ve been finished long before that mistake. Even so, the Walsall result was just one game, and the biggest issue we have right now is taking our chances. As good as Thomas is, he’s missed guilt edged chances in 2 or the last 3 games, P’boro and Walsall, did he miss a good chance at Fleetwood too?

He’s not the only one, and he has been fantastic for us, but his end product needs to improve if he’s to make it in the leagues above.
 

steve82

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  • Dec 12, 2018
  • #27
Esoterica said:
That's shocked me. At no point did I think it was a 4-3-3. I just thought we were playing 442 (well 4-1-3-2) but Baka had a free role and the space was on the left as Shipley naturally had a deeper starting position than Hiwula had previously. He truly was all over the place if he was supposed to be playing in a 3 though. Does beg the question why Robins waited til the 90th minute to tighten that up though!
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Telegraph write up said 4141. Tho in the Cup game It was also a bizarre set up that seemed similar to Saturday by the sounds.

433 in a attacking phase, 4141 in a defensive shape maybe?


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ccfchoi87

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  • Dec 12, 2018
  • #28
steve82 said:
Telegraph write up said 4141. Tho in the Cup game It was also a bizarre set up that seemed similar to Saturday by the sounds.

433 in a attacking phase, 4141 in a defensive shape maybe?


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Yep pretty much, I'm assuming everyone who didn't see that was watching on ifollow?
 
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Esoterica

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  • Dec 12, 2018
  • #29
ccfchoi87 said:
Yep pretty much, I'm assuming everyone who didn't see that was watching on ifollow?
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I certainly was. It can be hard to see the shape changes through the phases of play on iFollow, especially at the smaller grounds where the camera is low to the ground.
 
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steve82

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  • Dec 12, 2018
  • #30
I can only comment on being at the Cup game and highlights from this latest game out the two matches.

My interpretation from what I’ve read and seen is

Attacking phase
--------------Burge------------
Sterling--Willis--Davies--Brown
Bayliss------Kelly-------Shipley
Thomas---Chaplin---Bakayoko

Defensive phase.
--------------Burge-------------
Sterling---Willis---Davies---Brown
--------------Kelly----------------
Thomas-Bayliss-Shipley-Bakayoko
------------Chaplin--------------

Sound and look right?


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Nick

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  • Dec 12, 2018
  • #31
Where in that would Bakayoko make any difference by being further out to the left though? It's not as if their right back ran the length of the pitch and he didn't backtrack and he put a cross in
 

steve82

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  • Dec 12, 2018
  • #32
Nick said:
Where in that would Bakayoko make any difference by being further out to the left though? It's not as if their right back ran the length of the pitch and he didn't backtrack and he put a cross in
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I’ve just seen the last few mins on I follow, indeed Bakayoko was down on the right so technically out of position but it’s clear why.

Seconds before Walsall had a corner from the right, which Bakayoko cleared. Thomas chased the loose ball which went out for a throw. Bakayoko chased the ball out towards Thomas in support.

It’s at this point Bakayoko comes in for some harsh criticism I think.

Play moves on with the throw to the keeper who punts the ball up to the build up to the penalty incident. Bakayoko can be seen ambling back into shot as the penalty is awarded.

Very harsh comments I feel given the chaos of the last 3 mins


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Nick

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  • Dec 12, 2018
  • #33
steve82 said:
I’ve just seen the last few mins on I follow, indeed Bakayoko was down on the right so technically out of position but it’s clear why.

Seconds before Walsall had a corner from the right, which Bakayoko cleared. Thomas chased the loose ball which went out for a throw. Bakayoko chased the ball out towards Thomas in support.

It’s at this point Bakayoko comes in for some harsh criticism I think.

Play moves on with the throw to the keeper who punts the ball up to the build up to the penalty incident. Bakayoko can be seen ambling back into shot as the penalty is awarded.

Very harsh comments I feel given the chaos of the last 3 mins


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Wasnt he on about the first goal? Either of them I can't really see where it is his fault.
 

steve82

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  • Dec 12, 2018
  • #34
Nick said:
Wasnt he on about the first goal? Either of them I can't really see where it is his fault.
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Really, that confuses matters more!

This is a screen shot for the 1st goal. He’s in shot but plays bypassing him.


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Nick

Administrator
  • Dec 12, 2018
  • #35
That's the weird bit, just can't see how him being wide left makes much difference.

Assumed he meant the first when he said put the ball into the box for the freak goal.

You also have Brown stood with nobody around him, It looks as if Bakayoko is looking at their man on the right.
 
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