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Back to Court on Wednesday 8th July 2015 (2 Viewers)

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Haigha

New Member
  • Jul 8, 2015
  • #211
Nick said:
If sisu are successful it's the councils fault surely?
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Local Government Officers and elected officials guilty of misconduct that cost the local authority money could formerly be surcharged (financially charged) personally.
 

stupot07

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 8, 2015
  • #212
James Smith said:
Sisu have won the right to an appeal. Judges think perhaps JR1 + 2 should be done at same time. October talked about as likely date. They have now to prove their argument in court at another JR. Talk of compensation etc. is only talk until they succeed in convincing a judge and I think will require another court case to determine level.
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Thanks James. Just read Simons article, seems the judges were quite critical of their JR and Appeal colleagues.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk - so please excuse any spelling or grammar errors
 

italiahorse

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 8, 2015
  • #213
torchomatic said:
CCC already started that particular ball rolling last October.
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No, Sisu rolled out the plan and CCC rubber stamped it last October.
 

chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 8, 2015
  • #214
italiahorse said:
Mark my words, I now expect the 2 year extension not to be taken up and for us to become homeless in 12 Months.
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Didn't Lucas go on record saying that the deal was only agreed as our long term future was assured?
 

italiahorse

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 8, 2015
  • #215
chiefdave said:
Didn't Lucas go on record saying that the deal was only agreed as our long term future was assured?
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Can't say I've seen any evidence.
Surely if it was true Sisu would need to be constructive as their part of the deal?
Otherwise Sisu could do anything they like knowing they have nothing to loose.
 

chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 8, 2015
  • #216
italiahorse said:
Can't say I've seen any evidence.
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Ann Lucas said:
'We have sought assurances that Coventry City football club will be able to continue with their current arrangements at the Ricoh, and that Coventry Rugby Club will be fully involved in future rugby discussions with Wasps if a deal goes ahead.'We have received assurances on both of these matters.'
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SimonGilbert

Telegraph Tea Boy
  • Jul 8, 2015
  • #217
RE taxpayers missing out:

One of the reasons Sisu has been given permission to appeal is that the council's valuation of ACL was possibly way off.

Sisu's argument is that the loan wasn't commercially viable because it was so much more than the value of ACL.

That would mean the taxpayer didn't lose out in the Wasps deal. It also means Sisu's offer of £2m in 2012 would have been pretty close to the true value.

Arguing that the taxpayer lost out in the Wasps deal would actually be arguing against Sisu's cause.

Of course the argument over value will no doubt be a key point of contention in the appeal hearing.
 

Ian1779

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 8, 2015
  • #218
italiahorse said:
In view of all this why would Wasps want a lodger that is planning their downfall?
Mark my words, I now expect the 2 year extension not to be taken up and for us to become homeless in 12 Months.
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At least with CCFC out of the way you won't have to worry about the guilt... out of sight and all that.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 8, 2015
  • #219
SimonGilbert said:
RE taxpayers missing out:

One of the reasons Sisu has been given permission to appeal is that the council's valuation of ACL was possibly way off.

Sisu's argument is that the loan wasn't commercially viable because it was so much more than the value of ACL.

That would mean the taxpayer didn't lose out in the Wasps deal. It also means Sisu's offer of £2m in 2012 would have been pretty close to the true value.

Arguing that the taxpayer lost out in the Wasps deal would actually be arguing against Sisu's cause.

Of course the argument over value will no doubt be a key point of contention in the appeal hearing.
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I think the argument is around potential compensation claims.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 8, 2015
  • #220
italiahorse said:
Can't say I've seen any evidence.
Surely if it was true Sisu would need to be constructive as their part of the deal?
Otherwise Sisu could do anything they like knowing they have nothing to loose.
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Haven't you got a car park to get ready for October "Iggy"
 

italiahorse

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 8, 2015
  • #221
Grendel said:
Haven't you got a car park to get ready for October "Iggy"
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Your such a knob.
Someone has told you my school nickname and now you are playing the 'I know you but you don't know me' post.
You don't know me, they know me, so stop your school boy antics and pick on someone who gives a fuck.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 8, 2015
  • #222
italiahorse said:
Your such a knob.
Someone has told you my school nickname and now you are playing the 'I know you but you don't know me' post.
You don't know me, they know me, so stop your school boy antics and pick on someone who gives a fuck.
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That's your name on the Wasps website where you are on the travelling section asking fans from London to use your car park.
 
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oldfiver

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 8, 2015
  • #223
ohitsaidwalker king power said:
Ruling reminder (Source CET)

"But a comprehensive judgment from judge Justice Hickinbottom cleared the council of any wrongdoing and said Sisu had deliberately attempted to distress withholding rent in an attempt to pick up a share in the firm on the cheap."
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The two judges decided that there was merit in Sisu’s claim that Justice Hickinbottom, who handed down that judgment, had made a mistake in his interpretation of the law
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 8, 2015
  • #224
Grendel said:
That's your name on the Wasps website where you are on the travelling section asking fans from London to use your car park.
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The funniest thing about this conversation is the amount of times you've accused me of stalking you when you really are a stalker. You're proper scary.
 
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dongonzalos

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 8, 2015
  • #225
As expected.

Just a shame we have to go through all this over again for the same outcome.

If by some freak chance they said no today SISU may have seen sense. Then got something sorted for us to stay at the Ricoh long term.
 

italiahorse

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 8, 2015
  • #226
Grendel said:
That's your name on the Wasps website where you are on the travelling section asking fans from London to use your car park.
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.... and you are on the Friends Required website "Gimpy" but I wouldn't bring it up on someone else's thread !!
 
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oldfiver

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 8, 2015
  • #227
skybluebeduff said:
The Sky Blue Trust handing out literature to people entering the court.

And they now say they are confused!!! :sarcasm:
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skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 8, 2015
  • #228
oldfiver said:
The two judges decided that there was merit in Sisu’s claim that Justice Hickinbottom, who handed down that judgment, had made a mistake in his interpretation of the law
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Did the two judges actually say that?
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 8, 2015
  • #229
italiahorse said:
.... and your on Friends Required website "Gimpy" but I wouldn't bring it up on someone else's thread !!
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Your the one spouting dross about wasps not letting us play in the ground built for us.

I assume if they ever did that you would stop supporting them?
 
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oldfiver

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 8, 2015
  • #230
dongonzalos said:
As expected.

Just a shame we have to go through all this over again for the same outcome.

If by some freak chance they said no today SISU may have seen sense. Then got something sorted for us to stay at the Ricoh long term.
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It will be set for a 2 day hearing

Today it was set for 2 hours but they took less than 20 minutes to decide the last judge was wrong in law and THEN went on to spell out the potential claims that could be made. They did not listen in full to SISU's lawyers - minds were made up already

Expect more of the same
 
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oldfiver

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 8, 2015
  • #231
skybluetony176 said:
Did the two judges actually say that?
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YES

http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/coventry-news/coventry-taxpayers-could-lose-millions-9616342
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 8, 2015
  • #232
skybluetony176 said:
Did the two judges actually say that?
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Yes they pretty much dismissed the original judgement as "unsafe" - I wouldn't be quoting him amymore if I were you.
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 8, 2015
  • #233
oldfiver said:
YES

http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/coventry-news/coventry-taxpayers-could-lose-millions-9616342
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Yes sorry. Just reread your post. I thought you were saying that the judges said judge Higginbottom had got it wrong. My bad.
 
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Macca

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 8, 2015
  • #234
The actual point of having a football club (football) put in the shade again by all this bollocks. They can suck my dick next season
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 8, 2015
  • #235
Grendel said:
Yes they pretty much dismissed the original judgement as "unsafe" - I wouldn't be quoting him amymore if I were you.
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They didn't dismiss anything. That could only happen at the appeal.

If he had have given them right to appeal in the first place would he have been dismissing his own judgement as unsafe?

Will I still be allowed to quote him if SISU lose again?

You seem to have all your eggs in one basket here.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 8, 2015
  • #236
skybluetony176 said:
They didn't dismiss anything. That could only happen at the appeal.

If he had have given them right to appeal in the first place would he have been dismissing his own judgement as unsafe?

Will I still be allowed to quote him if SISU lose again?

You seem to have all your eggs in one basket here.
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I don't have any eggs in any basket.

The way this was easily granted, however, I am sure will at least give Lucas and her cronies some uncomfortable nights sleep.

That I admit makes me smile.
 

chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 8, 2015
  • #237
Macca said:
They can suck my dick next season
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Is that one of the perks if you buy a corporate season ticket?
 

chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 8, 2015
  • #238
If I were the council I'd be less worried about the fact that the appeal is being allowed, there was always a chance of that, and more concerned with comments made by the judge today. They seemed fairly dismissive of the original decision.

Should the council be eventually found to be in the wrong what would the consequences be for the likes of Lucas, Reeves and West? Assume they would all lose their jobs but could they be in serious trouble?
 
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Macca

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 8, 2015
  • #239
chiefdave said:
Is that one of the perks if you buy a corporate season ticket?
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If that was the case I'd have bought 6!

Seriously wake me up when it's about the football.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 8, 2015
  • #240
Macca said:
If that was the case I'd have bought 6!

Seriously wake me up when it's about the football.
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Apparently it's Waggott who delivers the reward.
 
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Tonylinc

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 8, 2015
  • #241
Apparently they were "forced" to leave the city of Coventry for Northampton.......Really????
 
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Macca

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 8, 2015
  • #242
Grendel said:
Apparently it's Waggott who delivers the reward.
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Any port in a storm
 

fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 8, 2015
  • #243
The judges today appear to have completely dismantled the defence of 'protecting a public asset'. The appeal will be interesting.

Not sure why the NOPM brigade are jumping on it s their latest excuse.
 
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Macca

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 8, 2015
  • #244
I'm firmly in the CBFA brigade
 

italiahorse

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 8, 2015
  • #245
fernandopartridge said:
The judges today appear to have completely dismantled the defence of 'protecting a public asset'.
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.......... in 20 minutes :facepalm:
 
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