I appreciate your view but it is based on the supposition that CCFC want or could afford the Ricoh.
In fact Sisu have said they couldn't as it stands.
So in view of that your plan will be .....
...... CCFC and fans should prevent Wasps from being successful so eventually they will leave.
...... Sisu can then be almost certain that CCFC are the only clients and can continue the plan to get the stadium unencumbered.
Look forward to that !!
I appreciate your view but it is based on the supposition that CCFC want or could afford the Ricoh.
In fact Sisu have said they couldn't as it stands.
So in view of that your plan will be .....
...... CCFC and fans should prevent Wasps from being successful so eventually they will leave.
...... Sisu can then be almost certain that CCFC are the only clients and can continue the plan to get the stadium unencumbered.
Look forward to that !!
Have you read that thread? They are not bothered !!
So what do you want us to do? forgive wasps? stop taking delight when they lose? start attending wasps games? hold hands with wasps fans and sing kumbaya?
You seem obsessed with anyone bad mouthing or taking delight in wasps defeats/poor attendances, etc.
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Did you read it? One of them said it is on Eastwoods "to do" list.
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my view has always been that the arena was in the correct hands and shouldn't have been handed on a plate to its new owner or Sisu.
if they are unsuccessful they will leave, this city had a Rugby team already and didn't need a second one
All three teams this season have had higher attendances than they have had for many years.
Am I missing something ?
It will be over by the end of the season IMO
Just my opinion but ..........
I think CCFC need to use Wasps to get to where they want and if they can get to the PL the tables will turn and we can return the compliment.
They need to be successful as a host for us to survive the next few years and they need to build bridges with the people of Coventry and all the clubs that are affected by them.
I believe that getting visibility in the Championship gives us a better chance of getting rid of Sisu as others become interested.
I would say that the conflict between Sisu/CCC/Wasps needs to end (both ways) so Sisu can build bridges and people can trust them in any future dealings.
I think that once in the PL that a 50% deal for CCFC is then enabled.
Just my opinion.
Are Wasps not slightly down on last year and you can't class any attendances before they moved here, the football club yes because of a bit of success and better football, I have no idea on the Coventry rugby club.
Wasps attendances have been significantly down on lasts seasons Ricoh attendances.
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Ccfc need to use wasps? How? Cheap rent and limited access to revenues is nowhere near enough to help us to get the PL.
IMHO Coventry can't sustain 2 successful and well supported teams - if we did well and were pulling in 20-25k+ every week, wasps will be having lower attendances like they have for the majority of games this season. Likewise, If wasps are doing well and pulling in 20-25k+ every week, that will lead to a decrease in our attendances. Wasps will not want to subsidise the football club so them being successful does not mean the club getting any favours - they have to make ACL profitable to be able to fund their loss making rugby club, to pay the £2m pa interest on the bonds, pay the bonds back in a few years time, build their academy, and invest more money in their squad.
How is getting to the championship going to get rid of sisu? Who's going to want to buy is when realistically owner the stadium is out of the question?
As I've said before I can't see us getting back to the PL for a long long time, especially now we have no chance of owning the Ricoh and benefiting from the revenues.
The only chance we have of getting the Ricoh is for wasps to struggle to pay back the bonds, and that needs them to struggle not be successful.
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Wasps attendances have been significantly down on lasts seasons Ricoh attendances.
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So attendances aren't up? Apart from ours?Last season was always going to be a one off.
With all 3 teams playing well the attendance will always rise and be dependent on that, not dependent on Wasps.
So when Wasps leave will you support the move to Northampton to get that Ricoh freehold ?
It's the 'best' chance we have of getting to the PL. Having our own little stadium on the outside of Coventry will not get us there.
Brilliant, now you're making up a scenario that will likely never happen as your argument for wasps staying. We will not move to Northampton again, so I won't have to make a choice of supporting or campaigning against a move to Sixfields.
If Sisu want the stadium they will do anything. We know they have history.
We have very little chance of getting to the PL without new owners, who won't see our club as an attractive proposition as they wont be able to get the ground. Like you say, nothing's changed, our revenues are still massively limited by our rental deal. And no I'm not suggesting we build a small ground.
We won't have the ground, Sisu will. How can you be certain they will let the club and the ground go. It's a massive leap of faith.
If we signed a 10 year deal tomorrow, what % of the stadium naming rights do you think wasps will give us?
What % of the naming rights will Sisu give us and how much will they take?
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Whoever the owner, Wasps, SISU, Byng et al, unless they love CCFC they will always be after making money from the stadium, and lining their own pockets in some way, just as Richardson has done with wasps. Lets not kid ourselves otherwise.
You surely need to see a plan that says Sisu want the ground and if they do you surely want to know what they will pay for it ?
Their previous attempt suggests not a lot.
You can then hazard a guess what the plan would be to get it ? I suggest more of the same and it might include more threats on liquidation and moving us.
But hey, lets get rid of Wasps first and then let Sisu take over the plan !!
I'm not happy that we don't own the stadium but at some point you guys will need to accept we are stuck with them and like CCFC management work with them.
The only thing in the stadium that looks like ours is the seats and our wall, that will change eventually. The front entrance looks like wasps, the signs inside the ground are bigger than ours, from what I understand all the cov memorabilia inside the ground / lounges, etc like legend lounge have been removed and replaced by wasps. I heard someone say that they had recently had a tour and wouldn't know we play here.
Even Eastwood himself said the the other day he was surprised by the lack of opposition from local people over the move, he was shocked by how easy people rolled over and accepted it. He was expecting a much harder job to have to convince people.
There was nothing stopping you picking up the baton and running with it or anyone of the other's who spend all there time winging about it while doing nothing.
I would say that if we can eventually commit long term that Wasps will 'allow' us some customisation of the stadium.
So when Wasps leave will you support the move to Northampton to get that Ricoh freehold ?
Why do we need to accept it? If SISU moved us 90 miles away would you suggest we also just accept that?
Apparently Singers has, or is shortly to be, renovated and the CCFC connection removed. How anyone can have watched the Jimmy Hill service the other day with a backdrop of huge Wasps logos and be happy with the situation is beyond me.
This is the most depressing thing. We went, in a few short months, from thousands marching through the streets in protest at a temporary move 35 miles away to wholeheartedly embracing a club being ripped from its community and moved 90 miles. It reflects very badly on the city and don't for a minute kid yourself that people outside the city haven't noticed.
What do you suggest? The local media are 100% onside with Wasps, Poole was on CWR today saying what a dream it is they are here. The council hide behind confidentiality whenever they are asked a question. Wasps own it now, the only thing we can really do is hope, no matter how slim the chance, that they fail and CCFC get another shot at owning the stadium. Realistically all we can do as CCFC fans is make sure as many people as possible know the basics of what happened with the bail out, media blackout etc and ensure we don't assist Wasps financially by turning up to their matches.
I see zero evidence to support this. When they turned up they made a big play of being caring landlords, all the 'we've been in the same situation rubbish'. Since then they've kicked us out of our dressing room, stopped us using the warm up area, removed CCFC branding and plastered Wasps logos anywhere. To me all signs of being massively insecure and I think shooting themselves in the foot business wise. When they turned up there were very few of our fans in favour of a new ground. As more and more Wasps branding has been applied there's been a clear increase in those who would be happy to move elsewhere.
Also if something lands on your desk promoting the Ricoh, home of CCFC you instantly know where it is, can the same be said for JLR Arena (or whatever it is to be called), home of Wasps?
If it was my business I would give both clubs equal billing, show of the Ricoh as a multi use facility.
In the highly unlikely event that this happens shouldn't we all support them? After all there's no problem with Wasps moving 90 miles so why would there be a problem with us moving?
Then stay bitter and twisted. I'll just get on with the situation and enjoy my sport.
As long as Joy comes out and says it is to survive, I guess the council / telegraph / trust etc will all come out and say it needed to be done and back it. Hopefully the Northampton paper will embrace us too.
Of course you will and I'm sure you will keep your head held high that you have never supported a club that has moved from a community.
Yes I'm sure you will.
Not Coventry or the midlands that's for sure.
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Why do you try to make it sound like they were constantly moving around the country?
They haven't played in North London since moving to Sudbury in 1923 (a move of around 5 miles, hardly huge). Stayed at Sudbury until 1996 when they moved to Loftus Road (2 miles away) then Wycombe in 2002. The move to Wycombe was only supposed to be for 2 years but for some reason they elected not to return to Loftus Road. Even moving to Wycombe was only 20 miles and was only ever touted as a temporary move.
I think if you have to continually move you don't really have a home.
I guess we need to give it a couple of years before they can call Coventry home
By that logic, they don't really have a home now.
Or...their home is London.
Well they were at Wycombe for 12 years, so we should probably give them that long before they can call it home.....with any luck by then they will have struggled to pay back the bonds and the interest and fuck off back to London.
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