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  • Thread starter Nonleagueherewecome
  • Start date Mar 29, 2011
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Nonleagueherewecome

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  • Mar 29, 2011
  • #1
In the Coventry Mad piece about Swedish investment, they say:

"Coventry City FC, which it is understood can be bought for a pound as long as the debts to its creditors which include SISU who according to the accounts of Sky Blue Sport and Leisure are owed money are paid off."

If true, surely this is a bigger story than the Telegraphs front page piece? It seems to hint at my long-running conspiracy theory that they have not paid off all the debts. As far as SISU are concerned, the club now just owes that 32m to them instead!

This is that shadowy business of establishing Coventry City Holdings as a seperate limited company, which will in due course be revealed as oweing money to the parent group. Their idea of "investment" will probably be treated as more money to be paid back at a later stage, and added to the cost of buying the club for any future buyer.

Now maybe I'm being stupid here, but can you really owe your owner money? Surely the owner is liable for the debts of a business they own? If I own a shop that is doing well, I benefit from the profits. If I invest in it and it does badly, I lose that money. I can't then turn round and claim that it owes me the money I invested! They can't have it both ways..But this implies that SISU don't own CCFC, they're just owed a heap of cash by it.

Given that Southampton tried to claim that the parent company was seperate from the football club shortly before they went into admin, I expect the new chairman is entirely on message with SISU's view of financial banditry. As the Pompey fan said yesterday, the biggest puppett in the world of football.
 

DazzleTommyDazzle

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  • Mar 29, 2011
  • #2
Nonleagueherewecome said:
This is that shadowy business of establishing Coventry City Holdings as a seperate limited company, which will in due course be revealed as oweing money to the parent group. Their idea of "investment" will probably be treated as more money to be paid back at a later stage, and added to the cost of buying the club for any future buyer.

Now maybe I'm being stupid here, but can you really owe your owner money? Surely the owner is liable for the debts of a business they own? If I own a shop that is doing well, I benefit from the profits. If I invest in it and it does badly, I lose that money. I can't then turn round and claim that it owes me the money I invested! They can't have it both ways..But this implies that SISU don't own CCFC, they're just owed a heap of cash by it.
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Lots of questions in there - to pick out a couple:

The whole purpose of incorporating a limited company is that the owner (shareholder) is not liable for its debts (except in certain specific circumstances - trading insolvent etc....).

In groups of companies it is perfectly standard for the parent to loan money to the subsidiary (and often, vice versa). From SISU's point of view their issue is that the only way they can get this money back is for City to make a profit, or for them to sell the company to someone who accepts the liability to pay off the loans.
 

rob9872

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  • Mar 29, 2011
  • #3
Ok then buy it for a quid, accept responsibility for their loans, go into admin and offer tehm 10p in the £. We lose 10 points and get relegated but debt is only £3.2m. Invest £5m in the team (I reckon I could get us out of League one with that) and we we're back here but a year further on and £20m better off ... which we could buy the stadium with. Everyone's a winner ... well apart from SISU
 

DazzleTommyDazzle

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  • Mar 29, 2011
  • #4
Great plan - except I'd expect them to ask for guarantees on the money due to them.
 

Nonleagueherewecome

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  • Mar 30, 2011
  • #5
Y'see, I don't think they are due any money. I think they've invested zilch, and they got us for free. Hoffman says that they keot paying the wages through players sales, and they are all very rich induviduals anyway. Give them 32m FOR WHAT exactly? They only own Ryton, which aint worth £3.20, never mind 32m!
 
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skyblu3sk

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  • Mar 30, 2011
  • #6
Nonleagueherewecome said:
Y'see, I don't think they are due any money. I think they've invested zilch, and they got us for free. Hoffman says that they keot paying the wages through players sales, and they are all very rich induviduals anyway. Give them 32m FOR WHAT exactly? They only own Ryton, which aint worth £3.20, never mind 32m!
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We dont own Ryton...
 

ajsccfc

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  • Mar 30, 2011
  • #7
Nonleagueherewecome said:
Y'see, I don't think they are due any money. I think they've invested zilch, and they got us for free. Hoffman says that they keot paying the wages through players sales, and they are all very rich induviduals anyway. Give them 32m FOR WHAT exactly? They only own Ryton, which aint worth £3.20, never mind 32m!
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They've assumed the debts, so they're owed that at the very least. It's akin to transferring a credit card balance.
 
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