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Auditors raise concernc over CCFC Finances (1 Viewer)

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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jun 28, 2012
  • #36
You need turnover to make profit. At least properly read through what I say prior to dismissing it. The figures don't lie-we are worse off without ProZone than with it.
 
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Godiva

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  • Jun 28, 2012
  • #37
Godiva said:
You miss the fact that the accounts shows the status per May 2011. More than a year ago.
Everything that has happened since are not reflected in the freshly printed accounts.

But maybe now more fans will understand why Ranson, Hoffman and Elliott had to go?
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Nonleagueherewecome said:
Yeah we really turned the corner under the magnificunt board of Clouting, Dulieu, Igwe and Brody, didn't we? DIDN'T WE? Erm, hello? Godiva, where've you gone...?
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My point is simple: The accounts published shows the results of having Ranson, Hoffman and Elliott running the show.
All they have done since the takeover is there in the reports: The increasing losses, the increasing liabillities, the decreasing assets ... everything they have done is reflected there in the accounts. There are no better evidence, no better hard core facts ... just look at the numbers.

The accounts published are the status of May 2011 - the time when the trinity were kicked out (or left because they could not continue to milk the sisu funds).

After that came the new regime. And all the names you list have easily added to the frustration and sense of amateurism surrounding the boardroom.

But one thing really has changed after sisu took control - somebody is now trying to steadying the ship. Trying to make the club self sustainable.
And THAT you will be able to read in a years time in the next set of accounts - which will be a reflection of the past season.
 
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Godiva

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  • Jun 28, 2012
  • #38
Brighton Sky Blue said:
You need turnover to make profit. At least properly read through what I say prior to dismissing it. The figures don't lie-we are worse off without ProZone than with it.
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What is worse?
A loss of £100 or a loss of £101?
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jun 28, 2012
  • #39
The loss made on ProZone is a) A fraction of the millions and millions lost and b) Purely down to what Ranson's payout cost. Had he opted for £200k less, there would have been £100k profit. At the end of the day, it's essentially a break-even business operating within a huge loss making company, and as such its contribution to club finances was significant. Still, if you're happy with us giving up £4 million then I don't hold it against you.
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Jun 28, 2012
  • #40
Godiva said:
My point is simple: The accounts published shows the results of having Ranson, Hoffman and Elliott running the show.
All they have done since the takeover is there in the reports: The increasing losses, the increasing liabillities, the decreasing assets ... everything they have done is reflected there in the accounts. There are no better evidence, no better hard core facts ... just look at the numbers.
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You are likely to get lynched on here with that sort of talk.
 
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Godiva

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  • Jun 28, 2012
  • #41
Brighton Sky Blue said:
The loss made on ProZone is a) A fraction of the millions and millions lost and b) Purely down to what Ranson's payout cost. Had he opted for £200k less, there would have been £100k profit. At the end of the day, it's essentially a break-even business operating within a huge loss making company, and as such its contribution to club finances was significant. Still, if you're happy with us giving up £4 million then I don't hold it against you.
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Thank you, I aprreciate that. We got £7m for a £4m asset - I am content with that.
 
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Godiva

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  • Jun 28, 2012
  • #42
Sick Boy said:
You are likely to get lynched on here with that sort of talk.
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I've been talking like that since I joined, but so far I have managed to hide behind the keyboard.
 

oldskyblue58

CCFC Finance Director
  • Jun 28, 2012
  • #43
see the CT have put up an article ........... they really do not understand it do they

http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/co...oventry-city-as-losses-spiral-92746-31280028/

Interview TF and dont really ask anything.

take this bit of the article

They say directors of the club anticipate raising the necessary cash flow to allow manager Andy Thorn to compete in the transfer market, but “the realisation of such cash flows is not yet certain”

isnt what the accounts say ..... what it says is

"In common with other clubs, the Football club anticipates continuing to be active in the transfer market with its squad the directors anticipate generating positive cash flows from such player transfer activity" ....... now does that sound like buying or selling players to you ?

same with this bit of the article

"He pointed out that he auditor only signed off the accounts of Sky Blues Sports & Leisure after a guarantee from ultimate owners Sisu that it would continue covering losses and fund the club for the next 12 months."

The auditors report refers to intention not guarantee and ends that paragraph with

No withstanding this intention, there is no contractual certainty that such funding will be made available

but as the CT says they know what is going on :facepalm:
 
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Godiva

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  • Jun 28, 2012
  • #44
oldskyblue58 said:
see the CT have put up an article ........... they really do not understand it do they

http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/co...oventry-city-as-losses-spiral-92746-31280028/

Interview TF and dont really ask anything.

take this bit of the article

They say directors of the club anticipate raising the necessary cash flow to allow manager Andy Thorn to compete in the transfer market, but “the realisation of such cash flows is not yet certain”

isnt what the accounts say ..... what it says is

"In common with other clubs, the Football club anticipates continuing to be active in the transfer market with its squad the directors anticipate generating positive cash flows from such player transfer activity" ....... now does that sound like buying or selling players to you ?

same with this bit of the article

"He pointed out that he auditor only signed off the accounts of Sky Blues Sports & Leisure after a guarantee from ultimate owners Sisu that it would continue covering losses and fund the club for the next 12 months."

The auditors report refers to intention not guarantee and ends that paragraph with

No withstanding this intention, there is no contractual certainty that such funding will be made available

but as the CT says they know what is going on :facepalm:
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Sure they know what's going on ... it's the 'how', 'why', 'when' and 'who' they struggle with.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 28, 2012
  • #45
Godiva said:
Thank you, I aprreciate that. We got £7m for a £4m asset - I am content with that.
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Yes, let's just sell things for a quick buck. That got us into this ACL fiasco in the first place.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 28, 2012
  • #46
oldskyblue58 said:
see the CT have put up an article ........... they really do not understand it do they

http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/co...oventry-city-as-losses-spiral-92746-31280028/

Interview TF and dont really ask anything.

take this bit of the article

They say directors of the club anticipate raising the necessary cash flow to allow manager Andy Thorn to compete in the transfer market, but “the realisation of such cash flows is not yet certain”

isnt what the accounts say ..... what it says is

"In common with other clubs, the Football club anticipates continuing to be active in the transfer market with its squad the directors anticipate generating positive cash flows from such player transfer activity" ....... now does that sound like buying or selling players to you ?

same with this bit of the article

"He pointed out that he auditor only signed off the accounts of Sky Blues Sports & Leisure after a guarantee from ultimate owners Sisu that it would continue covering losses and fund the club for the next 12 months."

The auditors report refers to intention not guarantee and ends that paragraph with

No withstanding this intention, there is no contractual certainty that such funding will be made available

but as the CT says they know what is going on :facepalm:
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Don't know why you bothered so much as reading it OSB. Constantly afraid of upsetting SISU so they can't get their exclusive bits of propaganda to report on.
 

ccfcway

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 28, 2012
  • #47
even if they knew them beforehand, there is no way ACL will be handing over 50% of the ground to these guys now
 
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thegameaintstraight

New Member
  • Jun 28, 2012
  • #48
Am I right in thinking that the statements in the accounts about future funding and transfer activiity relate to year 2011/12, which has now passed?
What do they say about 2012/13?
Apologies in advance if this is a silly question
 

oldskyblue58

CCFC Finance Director
  • Jun 28, 2012
  • #49
not a silly question......... the statements relate to at least a 12 month period from the signing of the accounts. Accounts were signed off 19/06/12......... so the budgets, plan etc covers to at least 19/06/13 and the auditors emphasis of matter cover that period forward
 

skyblueman

New Member
  • Jun 28, 2012
  • #50
doesn't mean they WILL finance club only that at the time of signing they CAN.... a lot can change going forward
 
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thegameaintstraight

New Member
  • Jun 28, 2012
  • #51
osb thanks for that.
 
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