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skybluegod

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 26, 2012
  • #36
cmoncity said:
I dont hate thorn fair play to him for putting his hand up saying give me a go but facts are facts he isnt the most intelligent of people and good managers are very intelligent and as for signing players forget it look at the players we have signed on his recommendation in the past mostly been not good enough.also for me when you call your players by nicknames i.e codes,deegs,sheffs,murph,belly,etc that dosnt command respect from your players surley
wud you be scared of a bollukin off this man ??i wudnt.he has no excuses hes bought his own players in now proof will be in the eating i guess(thorny does alot of that).please andy prove me wrong we all want you to do well but wake up and make some good tactical decisions on the pitch i.e subs. pusb
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how can you call him an unintelligent manager he can only do shit tactics with shit players eg last season. this season he's got in new players and which he can use his tactics with. and I've seen lots of managers eg fergie,dalglish,pardew all managers do it why would they not give him respect.
 

Ccfc1979

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 26, 2012
  • #37
Diehard Si said:
Well he's here and he's staying so this can go one of 2 ways..

City fans draw a line in the sand, get behind the team and the manager and help the team push for promotion.

City fans bicker and argue over Thorn and don't get behind him or the team.


We've had a rough patch, lessons at least appear to have been learnt... but this is new season and can be clean slate for everyone... SISU, Thorn, Cody, Bell, Baker
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I agree to an extent, however I am no Thorn fan at all. Yet at matches last year most fans seemed to back him all the way...or at least stayed quiet about it. It seems to be only on message boards that there is bickering about him. Having said that, if we are not doing 'well' by Dec I think that may change. Especially with some new players in.
 

sky blue john

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 26, 2012
  • #38
OMG i don't believe it another thorn haters post. Yawn yawn yawn yawn.
I really am starting to believe we have more incestor WUMS on here than true CCFC supporters ?
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Jul 26, 2012
  • #39
The LCFC fans I know are delighted we have him in charge.
 

sky blue john

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 26, 2012
  • #40
Sick Boy said:
The LCFC fans I know are delighted we have him in charge.
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Exactly what i mean people on here showing their true colours now !!!
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Jul 26, 2012
  • #41
sky blue john said:
Exactly what i mean people on here showing their true colours now !!!
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I agree, I have often wondered it for some time.
 

Nonleagueherewecome

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 26, 2012
  • #42
Astute said:
I see the blame game is still going on.

Can anyone remember when we owned our own ground? They were the days before we had to pay 1.2m rent and got all the money raised inside the ground. Also before we put a lot of money into the Ricoh and then ended up not owning it.

If you have a shorter memory you can blame other things though.
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I'm pretty sure SISU were aware of the ground situation when they bought us/got us for free. And they actually claimed that they intended to buy the ground! You can blame Ranson if you like for selling them his flawed vision, but just because they swallowed it, doesn't excuse them for suddenly being poor ickle innocents.

I remember you used to be one of SISU's staunchest defenders. Then last season, one of their greatest critics. Why the flip-back, Astute? A few free transfer signings does not re-write historical errors, you know..forgive by all means if you must, but don't justify previous cock-ups that you once were as angry with as I am.
 
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Godiva

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 26, 2012
  • #43
Nonleagueherewecome said:
I'm pretty sure SISU were aware of the ground situation when they bought us/got us for free. And they actually claimed that they intended to buy the ground! You can blame Ranson if you like for selling them his flawed vision, but just because they swallowed it, doesn't excuse them for suddenly being poor ickle innocents.

I remember you used to be one of SISU's staunchest defenders. Then last season, one of their greatest critics. Why the flip-back, Astute? A few free transfer signings does not re-write historical errors, you know..forgive by all means if you must, but don't justify previous cock-ups that you once were as angry with as I am.
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Taking over a debt of £8m is not exactly getting the club for free - not in my book. And taking over a company losing upwards of £10m a year is not getting something for nothing.

And for sisu suddenly becoming 'poor ickles innocents' ... well, it was never sisu's own money they invested, and after the worldwide financial meltdown it has become incredible hard to find investors ready to put in extra cash in a failing business.
 

Nonleagueherewecome

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 26, 2012
  • #44
Ah, but your book and my book are as different as The Satanic Verses and The Koran, Godiva! Agreement between us two is as likely as me voting Tory, never gonna happen.

Global Crash? Tough titties. If you play with fire and get burnt..
 

Nonleagueherewecome

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 26, 2012
  • #45
Indeed if so, according to your logic Godiva, the £1 Hoffman offer was a great deal for SISU!
 
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Godiva

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 26, 2012
  • #46
Nonleagueherewecome said:
Indeed if so, according to your logic Godiva, the £1 Hoffman offer was a great deal for SISU!
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It could be good offer indeed - providing he also paid out the debts (or a vast amount) and sisu didn't think they could turn around the business and make more money down the road.
I think the offer failed on both accounts.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 26, 2012
  • #47
sky blue john said:
OMG i don't believe it another thorn haters post. Yawn yawn yawn yawn.
I really am starting to believe we have more incestor WUMS on here than true CCFC supporters ?
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I believe we have some people on here who are more interested in the continued employment of one individual than the club they profess to support.
 

lordsummerisle

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 26, 2012
  • #48
Nonleagueherewecome said:
Ah, but your book and my book are as different as The Satanic Verses and The Koran, Godiva! Agreement between us two is as likely as me voting Tory, never gonna happen.

Global Crash? Tough titties. If you play with fire and get burnt..
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Agreee with you for once, but Ranson and Hoffman were playing whilst wearing asbestos gloves, and seem to have gained a Teflon coating ever since.
 
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DiveDiveWhereverYouMayBe

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  • Jul 26, 2012
  • #49
I wouldn't be so sure that Thorn is immune from flak. It is the response of someone who has got the jist of the opposite viewpoint, dug their heels in and reacted to this supposed viewpoint rather than employing reading comprehension. Many of the 'pro Thorn lot' (what a load of bollocks that we still have to paint it like that because some miss the point continually) are saying that Thorn is having the opportunity to make some signings (free or otherwise) and that a side that is relegated from one division will have had a disappointing season if not challenging in and around the Play Offs the next. That opinions on him will be modified on the basis of what is witnessed on the pitch. That there is pressure on him and the playing staff to succeed, to challenge and to perform better than we are used to. If he did have this immunity last season that people keep referring to (battle against that and you will win, congratulations for playing to the lowest common denominator), it is gone for almost everyone. Anyone who disagrees, state as much now and you can take on the argument 'Thorn is blameless / Thorn is to blame' in all future threads and leave the rest of us with some degree of balance to talk about any one topic without reverting to type and espousing the same old bobbins. Returning to topic, I disagree with Macca. I think SISU are falling into line with fans on this one; that the jury is out on Thorn and we expect to be making a challenge on promotion this season. If we are not, I can see him being replaced (although I would have roundly agreed with you last season, until I was told just how close they came to sacking him on at least one occasion during the year).
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 26, 2012
  • #50
Get a grip. The argument about cashless payments was more emotive and polarised than this one.
 

lordsummerisle

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 26, 2012
  • #51
Grendel said:
Get a grip. The argument about cashless payments was more emotive and polarised than this one.
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Had more paragraphs though.
 

Sky Blues

Active Member
  • Jul 26, 2012
  • #52
Godiva said:
Thing is the club was out of money to pay the bills. So something had to be done - among that cashing in on Juke. I have a feeling that many believe sisu as a hedge fund grows money trees in their backyard and always have fresh cash supply ready if needed. Not many realise how difficult it is to raise capital to failing businesses like our club. So with nowhere to turn and an empty coffers it was either the deep cut or the fast track to liquidation.

Oh and don't blame relegation entirely on not being able to raise the wage costs by drafting in freebies or selling Juke to raise capital ... blame it on ALL the turmoil at the club, including the destructive sisu-out-campaign.
Just my oppinion (to quote OSB).
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Sorry, I cut out some prior history in making my basic point that Thorn has been given the chance to fashion his own team now so let's see what we can do with it. You've made a bit of a straw man to batter here I think Godiva. I agree money doesn't grow on trees, bringing in freebies to replace higher earning departees doesn't have to increase the wage bill overall (I'm not aware it has this summer) and if the club had been better managed from the get go after the takeover we might never have been in a position where we needed to urgently sell Juke (or another player) to raise capital. There are ways of restructuring a squad to bring down costs. One was the approach last summer which left Thorn with his hands tied. Another is the approach they appear to have taken so far this summer, which will hopefully allow him to make a fight of League 1 this season.
 

lordsummerisle

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 26, 2012
  • #53
Thorn does appear to have had his hands tied behind his back more than the bird in the Fifty Shades of Grey books.
 
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DiveDiveWhereverYouMayBe

New Member
  • Jul 26, 2012
  • #54
Grendel said:
Get a grip. The argument about cashless payments was more emotive and polarised than this one.
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As wonderfully to the point as ever. And way to burn me, lordsummerisle, my lack of paragraphs on a single post. With cutting satire like that, I might just return to work (where I am obliged to write in paragraphs because it is a job and not a football forum).
 
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Ryan Parfrey

New Member
  • Jul 26, 2012
  • #55
In my opinion i think we should just forget about last season. Thorn had his hands tied, however he should of installed mentality into that squad to get more than one away win last season. If he fails this year in not even reaching the playoffs at the very least then we should look for an experienced manager than can get us out of it. I actually believe Thorn is getting better as a manager and the fact he is a good scout shows that he is very capable of getting a squad together that can get out of this league so give him a chance this season. If its not going well come November then we need a change for sure as he has had the chance to get a squad together.
 

lordsummerisle

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  • Jul 26, 2012
  • #56
DiveDiveWhereverYouMayBe said:
As wonderfully to the point as ever. And way to burn me, lordsummerisle, my lack of paragraphs on a single post. With cutting satire like that, I might just return to work (where I am obliged to write in paragraphs because it is a job and not a football forum).
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Writing in paragraphs is a job? Now I know that it's work i'll desist immediately from doing them unless I'm getting paid for it.
 
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DiveDiveWhereverYouMayBe

New Member
  • Jul 26, 2012
  • #57
No, employing paragraphs may be part of a job which involves the written word. As would punctuation - such as commas - and capital letters, but I won't be picking people up on that because it is a childish thing to say on a football forum.
 

lordsummerisle

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 26, 2012
  • #58
DiveDiveWhereverYouMayBe said:
No, employing paragraphs may be part of a job which involves the written word. As would punctuation - such as commas - and capital letters, but I won't be picking people up on that because it is a childish thing to say on a football forum.
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Paragraphs would help you to make your point better and more easily comprehended, rather than just a huge mass of text. People skim, or miss out completely whatever point you may be making.

That would apply on a football forum or anywhere else really.
 
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DiveDiveWhereverYouMayBe

New Member
  • Jul 26, 2012
  • #59
If it was difficult for everyone else, I will edit it. If it is just you who has struggled, I will let you take it on a couple more times and see if you can talk about any of the points raised, rather than bringing up grammatical issues on a football forum.
 

lordsummerisle

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 26, 2012
  • #60
DiveDiveWhereverYouMayBe said:
If it was difficult for everyone else, I will edit it. If it is just you who has struggled, I will let you take it on a couple more times and see if you can talk about any of the points raised, rather than bringing up grammatical issues on a football forum.
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No it's okay, it wouldn't be any better with paragraphs to be honest.
 
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DiveDiveWhereverYouMayBe

New Member
  • Jul 26, 2012
  • #61
And yet the only counter response you could come up with was about the fact it was written in one paragraph. Good job that similar deflections were not at all what I was referring to initially and you have pissed all over my metaphorical chips. I concede to your wisdom, humility and, most of all, your grammatical prowess. Now, crack on with that letter to the Daily Mail about the issue of the 'greengrocer's apostrophe' and leave me to read up on how to do.

Paragraphs.
 

hitmanhearns

Active Member
  • Jul 26, 2012
  • #62
I do hope AT succeed but I think ppl have to prepare especially some fans, that AT will not succeed, that perhaps we will be 10th or 13th for most of the season. I hope SISU are prepared and have someone lined up (prob carsley), because the odds are we will not get promotion anything above midtable with that away record must be seen as very surprising.
 

stupot07

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 26, 2012
  • #63
cmoncity said:
I dont hate thorn fair play to him for putting his hand up saying give me a go but facts are facts he isnt the most intelligent of people and good managers are very intelligent
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Hang on.

1) we have no idea how 'intelligent' is,
2) being medi savvy and articulate is different to being 'intelligent'
3) Harry Redknapp claims he can't read or use a computer. My 5 year old can do both of those things. Does that make Redknapp less intelligent than my 5 year old? If so perhaps my 5 year old should be consider for the next PL managerial vacancy.
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 26, 2012
  • #64
NLHWC, you will get a reply from me when I finish work. Not going to attempt what I need to say on my phone.
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Jul 26, 2012
  • #65
stupot07 said:
3) Harry Redknapp claims he can't read or use a computer.
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When did he claim that? I thought he just said he couldn't spell or use a computer.
 

stupot07

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 26, 2012
  • #66
Sick Boy said:
When did he claim that? I thought he just said he couldn't spell or use a computer.
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Apologies, your correct - he can hardly write quote "I write like a two-year old" and can't spell.

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/news-and-comment/harry-redknapp-i-write-like-a-twoyearold-and-i-cant-spell-6295077.html
 

lordsummerisle

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 26, 2012
  • #67
stupot07 said:
Hang on.

1) we have no idea how 'intelligent' is,
2) being medi savvy and articulate is different to being 'intelligent'
3) Harry Redknapp claims he can't read or use a computer. My 5 year old can do both of those things. Does that make Redknapp less intelligent than my 5 year old? If so perhaps my 5 year old should be consider for the next PL managerial vacancy.
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In answer to number 3) Most Probably!
 

DazzleTommyDazzle

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 26, 2012
  • #68
Godiva said:
Ok, I stand corrected on the contract length, but that doesn't change the fact that the club was out of money and bills had to be paid.
Betting on avoiding relegation with Juke in the team could mean no money to pay the players wages. And it that scenario the prospect of losing £4m in turnover next season doesn't come into consideration. Neither does the players potential future value.
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I must confess, I am impressed by your dedication to trying to present SISU's actions over the last couple of years as competent!

We don't know what the exact financial situation was. Were SISU unable to get any money or did SISU choose to slash (I think "cut" doesn't do their actions justice) costs?

In the summer their newly appointed Board was talking about (what was Brodie's phrase - franchise signings?) serious investment in the team, so the money must have been there then - this was several months post RR remember.

In my view, it was their choice - presumably led by the brilliant CEO they installed - Deluded Ken.

And if there was no money in January, where has the money suddenly come from to fund these new players? Please don't tell me it's funded by the savings on Eastwood, Clingan etc as (due to the SISU inspired relegation) we've lost £3 - £4m of revenue which has got to be funded from somewhere.
 

Nonleagueherewecome

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 26, 2012
  • #69
I reckon Godiva knows exactly what the finances show :thinking about:

Brody and Franchise Players, oh yes, that was a classic! What did he say again? "Grow our own"? Yeah, then sell 'em cheap.
 

stupot07

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 26, 2012
  • #70
Nonleagueherewecome said:
I reckon Godiva knows exactly what the finances show :thinking about:

Brody and Franchise Players, oh yes, that was a classic! What did he say again? "Grow our own"? Yeah, then sell 'em cheap.
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But we did sign a franchise player - Cody 'Ronald' McDonald(s)
 
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