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Evo1883

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  • Jan 1, 2025
  • #36
bigfatronssba said:
I’m getting angry that some don’t want him to have time or transfer money
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He will still get the time and the transfer money regardless..

But fans are right to judge what they see
 
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bigfatronssba

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  • Jan 1, 2025
  • #37
Evo1883 said:
He will still get the time and the transfer money regardless..

But fans are right to judge what they see
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He deserves the respect of the fans and their support in him trying to improve things.

Just like Robins was given that time.

There shouldn’t a group of fans that understands this better than us. I find it astonishing that people are judging already after what giving Robins time achieved for us
 

Evo1883

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  • Jan 1, 2025
  • #38
bigfatronssba said:
He deserves the respect of the fans and their support in him trying to improve things.

Just like Robins was given that time.

There shouldn’t a group of fans that understands this better than us. I find it astonishing that people are judging already after what giving Robins time achieved for us
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Doesn't mean that giving lampard time will lead us to any kind of success , otherwise no club would sack any manager
 
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bigfatronssba

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  • Jan 1, 2025
  • #39
Evo1883 said:
Doesn't mean that giving lampard time will lead us to any kind of success , otherwise no club would sack any manager
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Lucky we didn’t have that attitude with Robins. By his own admission there were quite a few times over the years that impatient chairman would’ve sacked him
 

Ring Of Steel

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  • Jan 1, 2025
  • #40
bigfatronssba said:
He deserves the respect of the fans and their support in him trying to improve things.

Just like Robins was given that time.

There shouldn’t a group of fans that understands this better than us. I find it astonishing that people are judging already after what giving Robins time achieved for us
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Robins inherited perhaps the worst squad we’ve ever had, all but already relegated to League Two, and then promptly got us promoted the next season.

I’m not sure your comparisons are going to pan out too well on this one.
 

Evo1883

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  • Jan 1, 2025
  • #41
bigfatronssba said:
Lucky we didn’t have that attitude with Robins. By his own admission there were quite a few times over the years that impatient chairman would’ve sacked him
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Sure but Robins took over a basket case of a club with dreadful owners 15 points adrift .. lampard has no such problem ,mostly down to Robins tbh
 
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Ring Of Steel

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  • Jan 1, 2025
  • #42
Evo1883 said:
Sure but Robins took over a basket case of a club with dreadful owners 15 points adrift .. lampard has no such problem ,mostly down to Robins tbh
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One of the main reasons people even talk about Robins now is because idiots keep trying to totally rewrite history.
 
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Sick Boy

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  • Jan 1, 2025
  • #43
Ring Of Steel said:
One of the main reasons people even talk about Robins now is because idiots keep trying to totally rewrite history.
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Who?
 

bigfatronssba

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  • Jan 1, 2025
  • #44
Ring Of Steel said:
Robins inherited perhaps the worst squad we’ve ever had, all but already relegated to League Two, and then promptly got us promoted the next season.

I’m not sure your comparisons are going to pan out too well on this one.
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Robins was able to get us promoted the following season because he was allowed to bring in his own team.
 
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Ring Of Steel

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  • Jan 1, 2025
  • #45
bigfatronssba said:
Robins was able to get us promoted the following season because he was allowed to bring in his own team.
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Look I have no idea what you’re actually arguing for here, you are just going round in circles coming out with increasingly far-fetched rationalisations for something but I don’t know exactly what, so I’ll leave it there I think.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Jan 1, 2025
  • #46
bigfatronssba said:
He deserves the respect of the fans and their support in him trying to improve things.

Just like Robins was given that time.

There shouldn’t a group of fans that understands this better than us. I find it astonishing that people are judging already after what giving Robins time achieved for us
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Robins literally won our first trophy for 30 years in his first 6 games TBF.
 
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clint van damme

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  • Jan 1, 2025
  • #47
fatso said:
The expectation of the fans is the problem.

There's no way in hell that this is a top 6 deck.
How many of today's team would get in Leeds team? Or Sheff utds, or Burnley's or even Sunderland's ffs?
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So why did King say it was?
 

Evo1883

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  • Jan 1, 2025
  • #48
clint van damme said:
So why did King say it was?
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King literally said all that was missing was an elite tactician
 

shmmeee

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  • Jan 1, 2025
  • #49
clint van damme said:
So why did King say it was?
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Because he’s been taken for a ride by Austin.
 
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bigfatronssba

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  • Jan 1, 2025
  • #50
Ring Of Steel said:
Look I have no idea what you’re actually arguing for here, you are just going round in circles coming out with increasingly far-fetched rationalisations for something but I don’t know exactly what, so I’ll leave it there I think.
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I really don’t know what else to say. I’ll make it really, really, really simple for you


Lampard, like Robins in 2017 needs, and deserves time to bring in his own team.

If Robins hadn’t been given time to bring in his own team, we wouldn’t have got promoted in 2018

We, as a group of fans should know better then anyone the value of giving the manager time

8 games for Lampard, like with Robins, is not enough time to judge a manager.


Do you understand now? Or do you need accompanying illustrations?
 

Evo1883

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  • Jan 1, 2025
  • #51
bigfatronssba said:
I really don’t know what else to say. I’ll make it really, really, really simple for you


Lampard, like Robins in 2017 needs, and deserves time to bring in his own team.

If Robins hadn’t been given time to bring in his own team, we wouldn’t have got promoted in 2018

We, as a group of fans should know better then anyone the value of giving the manager time

8 games for Lampard, like with Robins, is not enough time to judge a manager.


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Lampard won't be allowed to bring in an entire new team especially as the owner and Dean Austin thinks these players are good enough , lampard was made manager because doug thinks all that was missing was an elite tactician .
 

bigfatronssba

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  • Jan 1, 2025
  • #52
shmmeee said:
Robins literally won our first trophy for 30 years in his first 6 games TBF.
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He did, and he should be credited with it.

But it was 1 cup game. It’s no indication of what would happen after. The cup run was Mowbray and Slade
 
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covcity4life

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  • Jan 1, 2025
  • #53
clint van damme said:
Why do you think he said it?
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Cos he really believes it? The data driven approach perhaps suggest it should be?
 

fatso

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  • Jan 1, 2025
  • #54
clint van damme said:
So why did King say it was?
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Because he's a business man and wanted to sell season tickets, sponsorship and advertising.

Doug King knows fuck all about football.
 

Evo1883

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  • Jan 1, 2025
  • #55
bigfatronssba said:
He did, and he should be credited with it.

But it was 1 cup game. It’s no indication of what would happen after. The cup run was Mowbray and Slade
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Some fans on here wanted Mowbray out too and blamed our relegation on him , and Robins proved that over a longer period of time the team as poor as it was wouldn't have gone down , the problem was we appointed Slade
 

clint van damme

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  • Jan 1, 2025
  • #56
bigfatronssba said:
I really don’t know what else to say. I’ll make it really, really, really simple for you


Lampard, like Robins in 2017 needs, and deserves time to bring in his own team.

If Robins hadn’t been given time to bring in his own team, we wouldn’t have got promoted in 2018

We, as a group of fans should know better then anyone the value of giving the manager time

8 games for Lampard, like with Robins, is not enough time to judge a manager.


Do you understand now? Or do you need accompanying illustrations?
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I agree, and I see the point you're making, but I don't think comparing this season to 2017 is an accurate comparison.
 
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clint van damme

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  • Jan 1, 2025
  • #57
fatso said:
Because he's a business man and wanted to sell season tickets, sponsorship and advertising.

Doug King knows fuck all about football.
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He said it in November, ST sales were done.
 

clint van damme

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  • Jan 1, 2025
  • #58
covcity4life said:
Cos he really believes it? The data driven approach perhaps suggest it should be?
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Well it has played like one for a time before, fuck knows what's gone wrong?
 

bigfatronssba

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  • Jan 1, 2025
  • #59
clint van damme said:
I agree, and I see the point you're making, but I don't think comparing this season to 2017 is an accurate comparison.
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I’m comparing a manager’s first 8 games who went on to be successful.

I could’ve done it with Sillett or Hill just the same
 
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covcity4life

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  • Jan 1, 2025
  • #60
clint van damme said:
Well it has played like one for a time before, fuck knows what's gone wrong?
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I think 1-2 key positions need addressing. I think this exact same team but with hamer in there would be doing much better for example
 

fatso

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  • Jan 1, 2025
  • #61
clint van damme said:
He said it in November, ST sales were done.
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That's not the end of the business though, there's corporate, shirt sales match day tickets, on going sponsorship etc etc etc.
 
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