What do these people want? Do they 100% not enjoy any of the benefits of capitalism and do you need dirty dreadlocks, bright knitwear, a drum and a spliff to be one? Just wondering like.
Yes I have previously mastered google search. Not sure it answers my question though. What do they want? And if you want some kind of change there are more creative ways of doing it than getting stoned, dancing around and smashing places up. All sound like middle upper class drop outs to me
Of course capitalism helps most people but unrestricted capitalism is abhorrent.
It's the sort of capitalism that leads to hundreds of deaths in a Bangladesh factory so I can buy a cheap t shirt, it's the sort of capitalism that means those in power get to 'earn' money through lobbying and where those with money can make more money through manipulating those without(loan sharks etc).
Smashing stuff up doesn't help. Winning hearts and minds does
Usually they just went to Intro To Political Theory class at Uni, especially the week on Marx which is towards the beginning of the year, liked what they heard and felt all empowered but didn't bother to listen to the extensive list of criticisms. They think they've been enlightened to the whole socialist, sharing way of thinking and ignore that reality is not like that and never will be. Unfortunately, my Uni is famous for those types.
Best bit was that they were protesting G8 in London, despite the meeting being in Northern Ireland.
Usually they just went to Intro To Political Theory class at Uni, especially the week on Marx which is towards the beginning of the year, liked what they heard and felt all empowered but didn't bother to listen to the extensive list of criticisms. They think they've been enlightened to the whole socialist, sharing way of thinking and ignore that reality is not like that and never will be. Unfortunately, my Uni is famous for those types.
Best bit was that they were protesting G8 in London, despite the meeting being in Northern Ireland.
https://network23.org/stopg8/j11-carnival-against-capitalism/
"Traditionally, carnival is the time where the people take over the streets, the bosses run and hide, and the world gets turned upside down. It is a time to celebrate our resistance and our dreams, to bring music and colour to the streets. And also to show our strength and our anger.
The powerful feel safe in London so long as they go unchallenged. But the people looting our planet have names and addresses. On #J11 we will party in the streets, point out the hiding places of power, and take back the heart of our city for a day. Our streets. Our world."
This may help substantiate that viewpoint: https://network23.org/stopg8/ideas/anarchism/
I'd recommend reading Paul Mason's 'Why It's Kicking Off Everywhere', especially if you feel that such demonstrations are ineffective.
Unless you are a Traveler, a banker or an MP.
Or Simon Cowell.
So is it just people who acquire wealth without doing anything that they dislike? I mean I ve done pretty well through blood, sweat and tears. Would they set fire to my car?
So is it just people who acquire wealth without doing anything that they dislike? I mean I ve done pretty well through blood, sweat and tears. Would they set fire to my car?
You're not anti-capitalist for disliking people who are given things on a plate for doing diddly squat-indeed that goes against what capitalism is all about. In this day and age for people to be given millions of pounds, luxury and fame for being some distant descendant of aristocrats is completely wrong.
So is it just people who acquire wealth without doing anything that they dislike? I mean I ve done pretty well through blood, sweat and tears. Would they set fire to my car?
So is it just people who acquire wealth without doing anything that they dislike? I mean I ve done pretty well through blood, sweat and tears. Would they set fire to my car?
Good summaryThese groups form quickly and haphazardly. They usually have no leadership, choosing simple majority vote instead. To try to pin one hard set of principles and demands on such spontaneous and diverse gatherings is impossible.
However, it is fair to say that modern youth have grown up in a world that seems wholly lopsided in favour of an elite establishment and an older generation that has pulled up the ladder. Whether it's massive student fees, the inability to afford mortgages, high youth unemployment, bankers decking the global economy without legal repercussion, MPs exploiting expenses and profiting from private companies, tax avoidance resulting in trillions stashed away in offshort accounts, the richest companies paying zero tax, blatant war profiteering from colossal corporations, big money buying both ignorance and elections, 'pirates' getting extradited while those who trouser illegal millions walk away scot-free ... it's fair to say they ain't as enamoured with the system as you are.
They see the game as being rigged, they are pissed about it, and who can blame them?
+ All the ones who had Free Tution/Courses ,did see an Article last week where they were talking of Speeding up the payback period.Was'nt it only 10 yrs ago they told us that everything was set in Stone,more like sand .I've told my daughter to head for OZ/NZ ,do they not realise they will drive away graduates.As a young person, I fully agree and I applaud that you have an understanding of young people's problems, my generation will be one of, if not the first generation (since capitalism has been the economic system) to have a lower standard of living than the generation before. Is this a system in decay and crisis? We'll wait and see.
Quick note on tuition fees, it is very expensive and will put off many intelligent people from humble backgrounds because of price, 27k to get a degree? It makes you think long and hard about it! It is especially angering when the people who made this decision were Etonian Old Boys (where 9k means nothing) and Liberals who promised to vote against the proposals, we are a pissed of generation and I guarantee support for the 3 main parties will lessen further.
I forgot to mention that, I might go to Scotland because I'm eligible for an Irish passport so I might be able to get free tuition... But it's Scotland
As a young person, I fully agree and I applaud that you have an understanding of young people's problems, my generation will be one of, if not the first generation (since capitalism has been the economic system) to have a lower standard of living than the generation before. Is this a system in decay and crisis? We'll wait and see.
Quick note on tuition fees, it is very expensive and will put off many intelligent people from humble backgrounds because of price, 27k to get a degree? It makes you think long and hard about it! It is especially angering when the people who made this decision were Etonian Old Boys (where 9k means nothing) and Liberals who promised to vote against the proposals, we are a pissed of generation and I guarantee support for the 3 main parties will lessen further.
I was joking about the 'it's Scotland part', I have put thought into it and I probably will go to Scotland, it isn't like they shit unis anyway, they are v good, and for free, it makes it almost a no-brainer. But I'll get my grades in August then sort out uni stuff.
The education system unfortunately favours the rich and middle-classes, it's pretty much abandoned the needy.
I should think not-my university has been in the top 5 of most UK guides for the last few years
I also wouldn't be so sure about favouring the middle class-I come from that background and have barely been able to get by at times without substantial extra support from the university. Emerging from university debt free is a pipe dream for most of us.
Can you clear your in box please old boy?
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