Another stupid idea, maybe. (1 Viewer)

skybluetony176 · Apr 28, 2014

I think it's fair to say that with the exception of RFC we would all like to see our club return to the Ricoh if only on a temporary basis while sisu do whatever it is they're doing.

So here's my idea.

All the supporter's and protest groups come together and release a joint statement, stating that we the fans want our club home and we Iinvite ACL to propose a fresh rental offer to include match day revenues through the FL, we invite SISU to also make a rental offer to include match day revenue through the FL and that we invite the FL assist in encouraging both parties to do this and then mediate.

I think the biggest problem is we have that many factions there has never been a coherent message. If all the groups come together for one statement on the one point everyone seems to agree on then that would overcome that hurdle.

Michael has 18000+ names on an epetition, the trust has thousands of members, Rob S is running a high profile election campaign and there is no denying that Rob is clearly connected in the media world and then there are all the other supporter groups.

I really believe that a joint statement will send a clear message that we want our club in its rightful place and their is no denying that playing in Northampton is decimating not only our finances but also our fan base. So we accept that the club can and should return to the Ricoh for the start of next season if only on a short term deal and this statement wouldn't be about what ACL or SISU want or what the FL won't do, it would be about what we want and what we expect all parties to do.

So please Rob, Michael, Jan, Steve and anyone else who fronts a fans and/or protest group please come together and do this for the fans you represent.

Godiva · Apr 28, 2014

Why a rental deal?
Sorry, but we need to own the revenue from the stadium.

lewys33 · Apr 28, 2014

Godiva said:
Why a rental deal?
Sorry, but we need to own the revenue from the stadium.

Can we not get that from a rental deal?

I agree with this idea but getting them all to work together would be just as difficult as getting Joy and Ann to have a lesbian affair.

Ian1779 · Apr 28, 2014

Apart from some clarification of the 'revenue streams' and what that means for the club, I think that's a perfectly plausible and sensible idea.

Ian1779 · Apr 28, 2014

lewys33 said:
I agree with this idea but getting them all to work together would be just as difficult as getting Joy and Ann to have a lesbian affair.

Please... some of us want to eat tonight... and not just those two.

RFC · Apr 28, 2014

What amazes me is that you still think the major players in all this would be prepared to give the club a short-term deal.

I still beleive that there may be a very slim chance of still returning to the Ricoh, maybe 1%!

The biggest draw back with a new ground is the time scale (ie. 3 to 5 years) but it may be the better for the long term future of our club, who knows but the Ricoh has never ever felt like home, unlike Highfield Road.

skybluetony176 · Apr 28, 2014

Godiva said:
Why a rental deal?
Sorry, but we need to own the revenue from the stadium.

Because as a short term arrangement it's a damn site better than the short term arrangement in Northampton.

This is diddly squat about purchasing the Ricoh or building a new ground so please don't bring it in to the conversation.

It's about a temporary deal at the Ricoh.

Unless you're happy with the sixfields arrangements.

lewys33 · Apr 28, 2014

It would be a clear attempt to build bridges

skybluetony176 · Apr 28, 2014

Ian1779 said:
Apart from some clarification of the 'revenue streams' and what that means for the club, I think that's a perfectly plausible and sensible idea.

Thank you Ian. Like you say clarification is needed on the revenue. That's why I think we need the FL to mediate. Either that or we get Kofi Anan involved ;-)

Grendel · Apr 28, 2014

People need to accept the obvious here.

Sisu will not deal with ACL or the council
ACL and the council will not deal with sisu
Sisu has lost the confidence of the public. It will take a big leap of faith to recover that.
ACL and the council have demonstrated they lack vision and belief of other councils' who have owned stadiums.
Higgs should never have been involved in the first place. They need to accept this and move forward.
The only way forward is for someone somehow to get a deal to all parties. Somehow establish what they all want to extract themselves and move on.
Its a forlorn hope.

skybluetony176 · Apr 28, 2014

RFC said:
What amazes me is that you still think the major players in all this would be prepared to give the club a short-term deal.

I still beleive that there may be a very slim chance of still returning to the Ricoh, maybe 1%!

The biggest draw back with a new ground is the time scale (ie. 3 to 5 years) but it may be the better for the long term future of our club, who knows but the Ricoh has never ever felt like home, unlike Highfield Road.

To be perfectly frank with you. You and your opinion can do one. There's nothing of interest for you here. Bye bye.

skybluericoh · Apr 28, 2014

RFC said:
What amazes me is that you still think the major players in all this would be prepared to give the club a short-term deal.

I still beleive that there may be a very slim chance of still returning to the Ricoh, maybe 1%!

The biggest draw back with a new ground is the time scale (ie. 3 to 5 years) but it may be the better for the long term future of our club, who knows but the Ricoh has never ever felt like home, unlike Highfield Road.

So a new ground that will still not be HR will feel like home because it's not the Ricoh??

I used to think that you were just a very sad misguided individual, very gullible and swallowed the SISU line. With this statement you have just confirmed that, as others have said, you are indeed a WUM and not a sky blue fan at all.

lewys33 · Apr 28, 2014

Grendel said:
People need to accept the obvious here.

Sisu will not deal with ACL or the council
ACL and the council will not deal with sisu
Sisu has lost the confidence of the public. It will take a big leap of faith to recover that.
ACL and the council have demonstrated they lack vision and belief of other councils' who have owned stadiums.
Higgs should never have been involved in the first place. They need to accept this and move forward.
The only way forward is for someone somehow to get a deal to all parties. Somehow establish what they all want to extract themselves and move on.
Its a forlorn hope.

I agree higgs should never have been involved. However I feel there is a chance that this could work. Slim chance but the candle is lit in the distance!

skybluetony176 · Apr 28, 2014

Grendel said:
People need to accept the obvious here.

Sisu will not deal with ACL or the council
ACL and the council will not deal with sisu
Sisu has lost the confidence of the public. It will take a big leap of faith to recover that.
ACL and the council have demonstrated they lack vision and belief of other councils' who have owned stadiums.
Higgs should never have been involved in the first place. They need to accept this and move forward.
The only way forward is for someone somehow to get a deal to all parties. Somehow establish what they all want to extract themselves and move on.
Its a forlorn hope.

Like I said it's not about what any of the parties want it's about what we expect.

Let's dare them all to defy what we want.

Deleted member 5849 · Apr 28, 2014

Don't involve the football league.

Just campaign for the interested parties to meet in a dark room, with an arbitrator who they agree to be bound by the result of. First things first would be a short term deal to play back there, then after that's agreed they can set up a process for a long term deal.

When this was suggested a long way back, the justification of not doing that was that the process would take too long and cost too much - well, we could either wait around or actually start the process.

martcov · Apr 28, 2014

RFC said:
What amazes me is that you still think the major players in all this would be prepared to give the club a short-term deal.

I still beleive that there may be a very slim chance of still returning to the Ricoh, maybe 1%!

The biggest draw back with a new ground is the time scale (ie. 3 to 5 years) but it may be the better for the long term future of our club, who knows but the Ricoh has never ever felt like home, unlike Highfield Road.

I thougt you believed that the door was 100% closed on the Ricoh and that the new stadium was a done deal with no disadvantages! What made you change your mind?

martcov · Apr 28, 2014

Grendel said:
People need to accept the obvious here.

Sisu will not deal with ACL or the council
ACL and the council will not deal with sisu
Sisu has lost the confidence of the public. It will take a big leap of faith to recover that.
ACL and the council have demonstrated they lack vision and belief of other councils' who have owned stadiums.
Higgs should never have been involved in the first place. They need to accept this and move forward.
The only way forward is for someone somehow to get a deal to all parties. Somehow establish what they all want to extract themselves and move on.
Its a forlorn hope.

Higgs have said they want out and were almost there not so long ago. The council are subject to public scrutiny and by nature have to be careful. I hope the JR at least confirms what is allowed and what not.

A temporary cease fire whilst playing at the Ricoh for a token rent would help SISU financially and allow at least talks about various scenarios to continue. All parties have to down weapons and agree to the principle of negotiations. Joy accuses the council of not having vision, but that cuts both ways. A leader with vision would offer a way forward. Joy has not done that - saying I want it and I want on my terms won't get her or anyone any further.

letsallsingtogether · Apr 28, 2014

Well after the the talks with fans last week labo said they would be happy to rent the stadium on a long lease so all this talk about owning it is irrelevant.
After all the ground only has a short life span compared to stadiums of old so the owners would have to spend a lot of money for the upkeep.

Therefore if the Council still own it they would have to pay for all the repairs that are needed.

We can't even agree on this one simple matter what chance have we of agreeing to everything else?.

We as fans are split to far apart that is the fault of this whole situation no matter who's fault it is.

So another year in Northampton and the divide will be even bigger so rent, buy, game by game no matter what the Ricoh is the only chance we have or we are truly fucked and our club will die.......

PUSB RIP

Steve.B50 · Apr 28, 2014

skybluetony176 said:
I think it's fair to say that with the exception of RFC we would all like to see our club return to the Ricoh if only on a temporary basis while sisu do whatever it is they're doing.

So here's my idea.

All the supporter's and protest groups come together and release a joint statement, stating that we the fans want our club home and we Iinvite ACL to propose a fresh rental offer to include match day revenues through the FL, we invite SISU to also make a rental offer to include match day revenue through the FL and that we invite the FL assist in encouraging both parties to do this and then mediate.

I think the biggest problem is we have that many factions there has never been a coherent message. If all the groups come together for one statement on the one point everyone seems to agree on then that would overcome that hurdle.

Michael has 18000+ names on an epetition, the trust has thousands of members, Rob S is running a high profile election campaign and there is no denying that Rob is clearly connected in the media world and then there are all the other supporter groups.

I really believe that a joint statement will send a clear message that we want our club in its rightful place and their is no denying that playing in Northampton is decimating not only our finances but also our fan base. So we accept that the club can and should return to the Ricoh for the start of next season if only on a short term deal and this statement wouldn't be about what ACL or SISU want or what the FL won't do, it would be about what we want and what we expect all parties to do.

So please Rob, Michael, Jan, Steve and anyone else who fronts a fans and/or protest group please come together and do this for the fans you represent.

We do communicate, we all have our own views and listen to those of others.
All these people are members of the Sky Blue a Trust.
The problem we all have is that talking to the decision maker has never been available to any of us. We all agree that the place to be is the Ricoh, personally I think we will be back one day but until JR I cannot see anything moving in any sort of positive way.

skybluetony176 · Apr 28, 2014

Steve.B50 said:
We do communicate, we all have our own views and listen to those of others.
All these people are members of the Sky Blue a Trust.
The problem we all have is that talking to the decision maker has never been available to any of us. We all agree that the place to be is the Ricoh, personally I think we will be back one day but until JR I cannot see anything moving in any sort of positive way.

To be honest Steve I wasn't thinking along the lines of talking directly to anyone. Just all the different factions of fan groups coming together on this one issue and making a joint public statement of what we expect, to throw the gauntlet down to all the parties that share the blame of the shit pile we find our club in. Rob seems to have the contacts in media. Michaels campaign has also received a lot of attention (most notably the arsenal game) but their campaigns are coming from completely different angles but ultimately have the same aim. If they could get together and endorse a joint statement along with the Trust and any other fan group that would like to get on board we would be truly talking with one voice on this.

I can't believe that any CCFC fan wouldn't want to see the club return to the Ricoh on a short term deal while the poker game side attraction gets sorted. We need a united voice on this and this can only happen if everybody puts their other opinions to one side so we can all deal with the one thing we all agree on.

I've come to the conclusion that no one group can win the war but I do believe that if we can all work together on this one thing we can win this battle.

Paxman II · Apr 28, 2014

It all makes me hark back to the Hoffman/Elliot approach that never was.
If they were so enamoured with getting hold of the club and being in the Ricoh so much perhaps after the JR we will see them return to the fore?
After all what is a club in the 3rd tier struggling and no stadium prepared to take for the club and golden share?

It's always been clear Hoffman and Elliott would find a more accommodating ACL/Council right?
Surely 30m and SISU would think it was Xmas? But Hoffman has a stadium with revenue streams agreed and low,low rent lease and a club all for a mere 30m and stacks of potential? Hmm

Ian1779 · Apr 28, 2014

Paxman II said:
It all makes me hark back to the Hoffman/Elliot approach that never was.
If they were so enamoured with getting hold of the club and being in the Ricoh so much perhaps after the JR we will see them return to the fore?
After all what is a club in the 3rd tier struggling and no stadium prepared to take for the club and golden share?

It's always been clear Hoffman and Elliott would find a more accommodating ACL/Council right?
Surely 30m and SISU would think it was Xmas? But Hoffman has a stadium with revenue streams agreed and low,low rent lease and a club all for a mere 30m and stacks of potential? Hmm

Can't see Elliott and Hoffman scraping together £30 - never mind £30m.

Hoffman - White Dhinsa

MichaelCCFC · Apr 29, 2014

skybluetony176 said:
I think it's fair to say that with the exception of RFC we would all like to see our club return to the Ricoh if only on a temporary basis while sisu do whatever it is they're doing.

So here's my idea.

All the supporter's and protest groups come together and release a joint statement, stating that we the fans want our club home and we Iinvite ACL to propose a fresh rental offer to include match day revenues through the FL, we invite SISU to also make a rental offer to include match day revenue through the FL and that we invite the FL assist in encouraging both parties to do this and then mediate.

I think the biggest problem is we have that many factions there has never been a coherent message. If all the groups come together for one statement on the one point everyone seems to agree on then that would overcome that hurdle.

Michael has 18000+ names on an epetition, the trust has thousands of members, Rob S is running a high profile election campaign and there is no denying that Rob is clearly connected in the media world and then there are all the other supporter groups.

I really believe that a joint statement will send a clear message that we want our club in its rightful place and their is no denying that playing in Northampton is decimating not only our finances but also our fan base. So we accept that the club can and should return to the Ricoh for the start of next season if only on a short term deal and this statement wouldn't be about what ACL or SISU want or what the FL won't do, it would be about what we want and what we expect all parties to do.

So please Rob, Michael, Jan, Steve and anyone else who fronts a fans and/or protest group please come together and do this for the fans you represent.

Tony, sorry to be slow replying. The thread seems to have gone off track from your OP. Your suggestion raises the really interesting question of what are the views and strategy of the different groups. Maybe you could put together a list of questions asking about things like each group's views, strategy, plans, contact with the different parties, position regarding Brian Patton, the ePetition; how they're funded etc etc etc. I'd be more than happy to answer for kcic

skybluetony176 · Jun 30, 2014

skybluetony176 said:
I think it's fair to say that with the exception of RFC we would all like to see our club return to the Ricoh if only on a temporary basis while sisu do whatever it is they're doing.

So here's my idea.

All the supporter's and protest groups come together and release a joint statement, stating that we the fans want our club home and we Iinvite ACL to propose a fresh rental offer to include match day revenues through the FL, we invite SISU to also make a rental offer to include match day revenue through the FL and that we invite the FL assist in encouraging both parties to do this and then mediate.

I think the biggest problem is we have that many factions there has never been a coherent message. If all the groups come together for one statement on the one point everyone seems to agree on then that would overcome that hurdle.

Michael has 18000+ names on an epetition, the trust has thousands of members, Rob S is running a high profile election campaign and there is no denying that Rob is clearly connected in the media world and then there are all the other supporter groups.

I really believe that a joint statement will send a clear message that we want our club in its rightful place and their is no denying that playing in Northampton is decimating not only our finances but also our fan base. So we accept that the club can and should return to the Ricoh for the start of next season if only on a short term deal and this statement wouldn't be about what ACL or SISU want or what the FL won't do, it would be about what we want and what we expect all parties to do.

So please Rob, Michael, Jan, Steve and anyone else who fronts a fans and/or protest group please come together and do this for the fans you represent.

I,m refloating this idea. Strike while the irons hot and all that.

play_in_skyblue_stripes · Jun 30, 2014

Grendel said:
People need to accept the obvious here.

Sisu will not deal with ACL or the council
ACL and the council will not deal with sisu
Sisu has lost the confidence of the public. It will take a big leap of faith to recover that.
ACL and the council have demonstrated they lack vision and belief of other councils' who have owned stadiums.
Higgs should never have been involved in the first place. They need to accept this and move forward.
The only way forward is for someone somehow to get a deal to all parties. Somehow establish what they all want to extract themselves and move on.
Its a forlorn hope.

For once on this subject, I agree on most of your points!

lewys33 · Jun 30, 2014

I think we should pursue this:

SBT, KCIC, GCBTR should all go to ACL and get a rental offer. 3 years with possible extensions. Affordable rent. (F&B may be an issue but if the rent offer is good enough I cant see why it couldnt be better than the deal at sixfields).

If ACL refuse, pressure on them and CCC.

If ACL agree, draw up a fair offer, and sisu refuse. Pressure (as if there hasn't been enough already) on SISU and FL.

jimmyhillsfanclub · Jun 30, 2014

I'm happy to host a "how to use a telephone" 101 training session prior to everyone starting this massive fuck-up in waiting.....

shmmeee · Jun 30, 2014

jimmyhillsfanclub said:
I'm happy to host a "how to use a telephone" 101 training session prior to everyone starting this massive fuck-up in waiting.....

I'd love to book a place, you accept email right?

shmmeee · Jun 30, 2014

Personally I'd back a low rent (just costs) and 100% access to matchday revenue in the bowl, plus first refusal on renting the Ricoh at cost for other events the club may want to put on.

I think you need to recognise that ACL can't really be out of pocket and CCFC need to increase revenue through more than just matchdays.

AndreasB · Jun 30, 2014

That would be far too sensible for our fan representitiives. They spend their life bemoaning SISU and occasionally" all parties" for not being able to get round a table and yet stab each other to get the most publicity. The 5k rent deal is absolutely a case in point. probably went into the SISU bin the day it was received as it had credibility or authority that it was anything more than a crackpot scheme designed to agitate rather than engage.

so come on Michael, Rob, Jan, Steve, get your shit together, put aside your petty disagreements and become the 3rd force in this dispute - the most important one - the supporters.

Deleted member 5849 · Jun 30, 2014

shmmeee said:
Personally I'd back a low rent (just costs) and 100% access to matchday revenue in the bowl, plus first refusal on renting the Ricoh at cost for other events the club may want to put on.

I think you need to recognise that ACL can't really be out of pocket and CCFC need to increase revenue through more than just matchdays.

I don't disagree with you. Long term though, we're always going to have this problem as long as the drivers are the profit motive.

Adam Smith had a lot to answer for. Where's Keynes when you need him!

TheOldFive · Jun 30, 2014

skybluetony176 said:
I think it's fair to say that with the exception of RFC we would all like to see our club return to the Ricoh if only on a temporary basis while sisu do whatever it is they're doing.

So here's my idea.

All the supporter's and protest groups come together and release a joint statement, stating that we the fans want our club home and we Iinvite ACL to propose a fresh rental offer to include match day revenues through the FL, we invite SISU to also make a rental offer to include match day revenue through the FL and that we invite the FL assist in encouraging both parties to do this and then mediate.

I think the biggest problem is we have that many factions there has never been a coherent message. If all the groups come together for one statement on the one point everyone seems to agree on then that would overcome that hurdle.

Michael has 18000+ names on an epetition, the trust has thousands of members, Rob S is running a high profile election campaign and there is no denying that Rob is clearly connected in the media world and then there are all the other supporter groups.

I really believe that a joint statement will send a clear message that we want our club in its rightful place and their is no denying that playing in Northampton is decimating not only our finances but also our fan base. So we accept that the club can and should return to the Ricoh for the start of next season if only on a short term deal and this statement wouldn't be about what ACL or SISU want or what the FL won't do, it would be about what we want and what we expect all parties to do.

So please Rob, Michael, Jan, Steve and anyone else who fronts a fans and/or protest group please come together and do this for the fans you represent.

No Maybes about it. I wish it were not the case with every fibre of my being but tragically this solution won't work whilst the rivalries between representatives - elected or self appointed - remain as bitter, rancorous and entrenched as we all know them to be - in some cases for quite disappointingly non footballing reasons. Quite mischievous to suggest really. Why don't we all just get behind someone clearly impartial that loves the club and is whiter than white and bleeds sky blue - like Mr Joe Elliott?

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