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Another rant on defending corners (1 Viewer)

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  • Start date Nov 30, 2024
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SBT

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  • Dec 3, 2024
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Brighton Sky Blue said:
Why does everyone else play out from the back and get caught out every game?
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They don’t?

I know there are tactical trends you do and don’t like, but there has to be a reason behind them beyond collective delusions of grandeur.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Dec 3, 2024
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SBT said:
They don’t?

I know there are tactical trends you do and don’t like, but there has to be a reason behind them beyond collective delusions of grandeur.
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Chess is a good analogy for this. Why do amateur players tend to copy the openings of the elite players? Because that’s the trend. But what works for the elite doesn’t necessarily work for people without the skills or understanding to make it work.
 
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SBT

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  • Dec 3, 2024
  • #38
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Chess is a good analogy for this. Why do amateur players tend to copy the openings of the elite players? Because that’s the trend. But what works for the elite doesn’t necessarily work for people without the skills or understanding to make it work.
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We’re not talking about amateurs though - these are professional teams all gravitating to a particular tactic. They’re all heavily incentivised to play whatever style they can to win, they get no benefit from imitating the top teams. And clearly it’s not as straightforward as “every team who’s not Liverpool/a grand master gets hammered if they play this way”.

I’m just curious what the actual rationale is for leaving everyone back - I doubt it’s some kind of Emperor’s New Clothes thing.
 

Bad Boy

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  • Dec 3, 2024
  • #39
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Chess is a good analogy for this. Why do amateur players tend to copy the openings of the elite players? Because that’s the trend. But what works for the elite doesn’t necessarily work for people without the skills or understanding to make it work.
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Spot on BSB
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Dec 3, 2024
  • #40
SBT said:
They don’t?

I know there are tactical trends you do and don’t like, but there has to be a reason behind them beyond collective delusions of grandeur.
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Teams tend to mark zonally and use the extra players to block attacker movements. We had Da Silva and Saka on the edge of the box ready to pick up any second ball.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Dec 3, 2024
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SBT said:
We’re not talking about amateurs though - these are professional teams all gravitating to a particular tactic. They’re all heavily incentivised to play whatever style they can to win, they get no benefit from imitating the top teams. And clearly it’s not as straightforward as “every team who’s not Liverpool/a grand master gets hammered if they play this way”.

I’m just curious what the actual rationale is for leaving everyone back - I doubt it’s some kind of Emperor’s New Clothes thing.
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I thought I answered that-in theory it helps you on the counter.
 
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Pezza

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  • Dec 5, 2024
  • #42
Not a rant on defending them but did anyone see Arsenal last night? They just keep scoring corners.

It reminds me of the time McAllister used to hang it up at the near post for Willow or Dublin, they'd just flick it on or in the back of the net!
 

Captain Dart

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  • Dec 5, 2024
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Pezza said:
Not a rant on defending them but did anyone see Arsenal last night? They just keep scoring corners.

It reminds me of the time McAllister used to hang it up at the near post for Willow or Dublin, they'd just flick it on or in the back of the net!
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I keep wishing would try Simms or even Haji out as a near post target man like that.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Dec 5, 2024
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Captain Dart said:
I keep wishing would try Simms or even Haji out as a near post target man like that.
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Simms has scored at least two this season in that fashion
 
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thekidfromstrettoncamp

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  • Dec 5, 2024
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Captain Dart said:
I keep wishing would try Simms or even Haji out as a near post target man like that.
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Anybody at the near post would be an improvement.Don't get me wrong IMO Rudoni takes a good corner but a bit of variation wouldn't go a miss.
 
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Captain Dart

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  • Dec 5, 2024
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Brighton Sky Blue said:
Simms has scored at least two this season in that fashion
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I think in open play, at least the one I remember was. For corners he has not been near post.
 

MalcSB

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  • Dec 5, 2024
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We went through a phase a while back of having everyone back for corners, and then changed to leaving one or two up. We seem to have reverted this season. Personally I think it means that if we do manage to clear the ball from an opponents corner, it ends up coming straight back because there is no one in sky blue to collect that clearance and try to counter. An opposition corner becomes a relatively prolonged period of pressure on our defence.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Dec 5, 2024
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Captain Dart said:
I think in open play, at least the one I remember was. For corners he has not been near post.
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Seemed like he was against Watford and Luton?
 
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MalcSB

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  • Dec 5, 2024
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Brighton Sky Blue said:
Seemed like he was against Watford and Luton?
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That’s how I remember it,
 
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thekidfromstrettoncamp

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  • Dec 5, 2024
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MalcSB said:
We went through a phase a while back of having everyone back for corners, and then changed to leaving one or two up. We seem to have reverted this season. Personally I think it means that if we do manage to clear the ball from an opponents corner, it ends up coming straight back because there is no one in sky blue to collect that clearance and try to counter. An opposition corner becomes a relatively prolonged period of pressure on our defence.
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Totally agree plus the more players you have back the more deflections you get very often to our disadvantage.Two players with pace inside our own half have both straight down the middle if need be will require 3 back.
 

MalcSB

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  • Dec 5, 2024
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SBT said:
We’re not talking about amateurs though - these are professional teams all gravitating to a particular tactic. They’re all heavily incentivised to play whatever style they can to win, they get no benefit from imitating the top teams. And clearly it’s not as straightforward as “every team who’s not Liverpool/a grand master gets hammered if they play this way”.

I’m just curious what the actual rationale is for leaving everyone back - I doubt it’s some kind of Emperor’s New Clothes thing.
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In the Boothroyd days, the stats showed that the quicker teams got the ball into the opposition area, the more qoals they would score and hence the more games they would win. So many teams played a variant of hoof ball.

Most teams nowadays play AAATB football. The trouble is, we don’t have the players who can see and then successfully play the killer pass. At times I almost wish the pitch was still shit so we wouldn’t try what often seem like suicide passes in our own penalty area,
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Dec 7, 2024
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Check out Forest's first goal tonight. Man Utd pack the box with 11 players, Forest contest it with 6 and still score a free header.

End the madness and leave some players up.
 

SBAndy

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  • Dec 13, 2024
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Dec 13, 2024
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SBAndy said:
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It isn’t a new tactic, they’ve ripped it off here. Guess the dinosaurs among us actually knew what we were talking about!
 
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fatso

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  • Dec 14, 2024
  • #55
I think there were 18 corners in our match against WBA, nearly all of them were poor, with some even hitting the first man.
So it seems we arnt the only team struggling to make them count.

I can't see why we don't leave Bassette and EMC up on the half way line, it woould give us a quick "out" and neither are any good at defending anyway.

Or just leave Sakamoto up there as he's never going to win a header anyway.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Dec 14, 2024
  • #56
This team is in huge huge trouble. Another farcical goal
 

Covcraig@bury

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  • Dec 14, 2024
  • #57
Going down
Staying up
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Dec 21, 2024
  • #58
And again today. One free header with ten players in our 6 yard box and another resulting from Collins flapping it from the cross.

We have got to stop persisting with this nonsense idea.
 
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