Another Les Reid pejorative opinion piece (1 Viewer)

Captain Dart · Jul 12, 2016

Fuelled from SBT minutes
http://coventryobserver.co.uk/news/save-city-answers-still-sought-coventry-city-academy-future/

I see the Observer no longer allow comments on his articles as they attract counter arguments which are far too well reasoned. :yawn:

Deleted member 5849 · Jul 12, 2016

Captain Dart said:
I see the Observer no longer allow comments on his articles as they attract counter arguments which are far too well reasoned

tbf the last time I looked they were the same mentalists as post on the Telegraph site.

You get a better class of thinking man's mentalist over here

Brylowes · Jul 12, 2016

Captain Dart said:
Fuelled from SBT minutes
http://coventryobserver.co.uk/news/save-city-answers-still-sought-coventry-city-academy-future/

I see the Observer no longer allow comments on his articles as they attract counter arguments which are far too well reasoned. :yawn:

Link don't work for me.

armybike · Jul 12, 2016

Brylowes said:
Link don't work for me.

"COVENTRY City say they are still seeking further information on whether they can retain their ‘lifeblood’ youth academy and its prized elite status if rugby club Wasps move in to its Coventry base.

Sky Blues managing director Chris Anderson said they are still awaiting clarity from parties including the Coventry Sports Foundation (CSF), which operates the purpose-built academy building at the Alan Higgs Centre in Allard Way, where Coventry City Council holds the freehold.

He also continued to call on the council to do more to support the 133-year-old club which bears its name, and its academy.

He told a recent Coventry City Supporters’ Consultative Group (SCG) meeting the club had been ‘served notice’ to move out by June 30 next year when its current lease expires, despite fans’ protests.

The Observer’s Save Our City campaign is calling on the council and the city’s sporting institutions including CSF to do more to ensure the club retains a viable presence in Coventry, amid the club’s and fans’ concerns it is being squeezed out in favour of rugby and Wasps, following a long running dispute with the club’s owners Sisu.

Wasps last month submitted to the council a planning application to move its training facilities into the centre, having obtained the Ricoh Arena in 2014 from the council and Higgs charity on a massively extended 250-year deal not offered to Sky Blues for which the stadium was built.

It also follows revelations from a leaked council email in January which proposed blocking any prospect of the club moving to an expanded Butts Park Arena home of Coventry Rugby Football Club, a proposal which aimed to enable both traditional Coventry sporting clubs to access more vital revenues from commercial stadium activities.

Coventry City fans’ organisations – including the SCG and Sky Blue Trust – are protesting against the potential loss of the youth academy. A Sky Blue Trust petition has now been signed by nearly 1,300 people.

Wasps publicly stated last month the Sky Blues could use its new ‘kicking barn’ at the Higgs centre, assuming it will be granted planning permission.

But Mr Anderson has outlined how quality outdoor and indoor pitches and other facilities are required if the Sky Blues are to retain their ‘Category 2’ academy excellence status. It provides crucial income streams to develop the city’s elite young footballing talent and stars such as Callum Wilson and James Maddison.

The council has also publicly supported plans for a new 50 metre swimming pool on the site of the indoor pitch at the Alan Higgs Centre.

In the SCG meeting minutes now published on the club’s website, Mr Anderson said the club have “shared their requirements for having a Category 2 Academy with CSF in order to determine if it is feasible to have a Category 2 academy at the Higgs Centre beyond 2017.

“So far, CSF have been unable to confirm whether those requirements can be met with Wasps moving in. We continue in our attempts to understand the potential of sharing the site. Further detailed exploration is needed and has been proposed to CSF.”

Mr Anderson added: “Our Plan A is to play in Coventry and for our academy to train in Coventry. We want to ensure Plan A is completely exhausted and deemed totally not feasible before publicly speaking about any alternatives.

“The council have the ultimate power in terms of their ability to influence various parties, so have the most influence on the club training and playing in Coventry.

“Any plan that is to occur in Coventry will stand a greater chance of success if supported by them. We need for the council to make it easier, not harder, for the football club to operate in Coventry.”

Asked whether he would sit down with CSF and Wasps to discuss future academy arrangements, he replied: “There is a strict set of technical requirements we have to fulfil to retain our Category 2 status, which are non-negotiable – not from our end, but as far as the Premier League are concerned in order to fulfill the upcoming audit by the football authorities.

“It’s not simply a matter of finding some pitches to play on and negotiating the use of pitches.

“.. There is no negotiation to be had with other parties around a table because the football club doesn’t have a choice to either comply or not comply with those technical requirements, which have been communicated to CSF.

“… The first step has to be to establish if they can offer what we need; they have yet to confirm if they can if the Wasps move in.”

He added: “Building an academy training ground somewhere else in Coventry seems unlikely as there are no obvious sites.”"

Brylowes · Jul 12, 2016

armybike said:
"COVENTRY City say they are still seeking further information on whether they can retain their ‘lifeblood’ youth academy and its prized elite status if rugby club Wasps move in to its Coventry base.

Sky Blues managing director Chris Anderson said they are still awaiting clarity from parties including the Coventry Sports Foundation (CSF), which operates the purpose-built academy building at the Alan Higgs Centre in Allard Way, where Coventry City Council holds the freehold.

He also continued to call on the council to do more to support the 133-year-old club which bears its name, and its academy.

He told a recent Coventry City Supporters’ Consultative Group (SCG) meeting the club had been ‘served notice’ to move out by June 30 next year when its current lease expires, despite fans’ protests.

The Observer’s Save Our City campaign is calling on the council and the city’s sporting institutions including CSF to do more to ensure the club retains a viable presence in Coventry, amid the club’s and fans’ concerns it is being squeezed out in favour of rugby and Wasps, following a long running dispute with the club’s owners Sisu.

Wasps last month submitted to the council a planning application to move its training facilities into the centre, having obtained the Ricoh Arena in 2014 from the council and Higgs charity on a massively extended 250-year deal not offered to Sky Blues for which the stadium was built.

It also follows revelations from a leaked council email in January which proposed blocking any prospect of the club moving to an expanded Butts Park Arena home of Coventry Rugby Football Club, a proposal which aimed to enable both traditional Coventry sporting clubs to access more vital revenues from commercial stadium activities.

Coventry City fans’ organisations – including the SCG and Sky Blue Trust – are protesting against the potential loss of the youth academy. A Sky Blue Trust petition has now been signed by nearly 1,300 people.

Wasps publicly stated last month the Sky Blues could use its new ‘kicking barn’ at the Higgs centre, assuming it will be granted planning permission.

But Mr Anderson has outlined how quality outdoor and indoor pitches and other facilities are required if the Sky Blues are to retain their ‘Category 2’ academy excellence status. It provides crucial income streams to develop the city’s elite young footballing talent and stars such as Callum Wilson and James Maddison.

The council has also publicly supported plans for a new 50 metre swimming pool on the site of the indoor pitch at the Alan Higgs Centre.

In the SCG meeting minutes now published on the club’s website, Mr Anderson said the club have “shared their requirements for having a Category 2 Academy with CSF in order to determine if it is feasible to have a Category 2 academy at the Higgs Centre beyond 2017.

“So far, CSF have been unable to confirm whether those requirements can be met with Wasps moving in. We continue in our attempts to understand the potential of sharing the site. Further detailed exploration is needed and has been proposed to CSF.”

Mr Anderson added: “Our Plan A is to play in Coventry and for our academy to train in Coventry. We want to ensure Plan A is completely exhausted and deemed totally not feasible before publicly speaking about any alternatives.

“The council have the ultimate power in terms of their ability to influence various parties, so have the most influence on the club training and playing in Coventry.

“Any plan that is to occur in Coventry will stand a greater chance of success if supported by them. We need for the council to make it easier, not harder, for the football club to operate in Coventry.”

Asked whether he would sit down with CSF and Wasps to discuss future academy arrangements, he replied: “There is a strict set of technical requirements we have to fulfil to retain our Category 2 status, which are non-negotiable – not from our end, but as far as the Premier League are concerned in order to fulfill the upcoming audit by the football authorities.

“It’s not simply a matter of finding some pitches to play on and negotiating the use of pitches.

“.. There is no negotiation to be had with other parties around a table because the football club doesn’t have a choice to either comply or not comply with those technical requirements, which have been communicated to CSF.

“… The first step has to be to establish if they can offer what we need; they have yet to confirm if they can if the Wasps move in.”

He added: “Building an academy training ground somewhere else in Coventry seems unlikely as there are no obvious sites.”"

Cheers.
I honestly don't think they want an academy, rolling over far to easy

ccfcway · Jul 12, 2016

armybike said:
Asked whether he would sit down with CSF and Wasps to discuss future academy arrangements, he replied: “There is a strict set of technical requirements we have to fulfil to retain our Category 2 status, which are non-negotiable – not from our end, but as far as the Premier League are concerned in order to fulfill the upcoming audit by the football authorities. There is no negotiation to be had with other parties around a table because the football club doesn’t have a choice to either comply or not comply with those technical requirements, which have been communicated to CSF. The first step has to be to establish if they can offer what we need; they have yet to confirm if they can if the Wasps move in"

So, that's a no then ?

Brylowes · Jul 12, 2016

ccfcway said:
So, that's a no then ?

Absolutely pathetic isn't it, we're going to lose the academy, but it's
going to be everyone else's fault. Pathetic

stupot07 · Jul 12, 2016

Brylowes said:
Cheers.
I honestly don't think they want an academy, rolling over far to easy

Yeah you're right only 1300 signatures on the petition, our fans are rolling over they obviously don't want an academy....

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stupot07 · Jul 12, 2016

Brylowes said:
Absolutely pathetic isn't it, we're going to lose the academy, but it's
going to be everyone else's fault. Pathetic

Its not what he's saying is it? We've shared the requirements for having a cat 2 academy and is waiting for CSF to come back and say whether what they can offer us will meet the requirements. If so then that's the time for negotiating.

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Kingokings204 · Jul 12, 2016

stupot07 said:
Yeah you're right only 1300 signatures on the petition, our fans are rolling over they obviously don't want an academy....

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Blaming the fans again? I would say 1300 is a decent turn up for a petition. No?

It seems like a bit of both. Wasps are forcing ccfc out and ccfc aren't doing enough. Do they even want this academy?

stupot07 · Jul 12, 2016

Kingokings204 said:
Blaming the fans again? I would say 1300 is a decent turn up for a petition. No?

It seems like a bit of both. Wasps are forcing ccfc out and ccfc aren't doing enough. Do they even want this academy?

No not really I think 1300 is poor return, just confirms to wasps that no one is really bothered.

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italiahorse · Jul 12, 2016

I bet that if CCFC actually had a plan we could quadruple those numbers ?

ccfcway · Jul 12, 2016

stupot07 said:
Its not what he's saying is it? We've shared the requirements for having a cat 2 academy and is waiting for CSF to come back and say whether what they can offer us will meet the requirements. If so then that's the time for negotiating.

If that is what he is saying that's just as bad. Shared the requirements and waiting for CSF who aren't that bothered about CCFC to come back and say if they can accommodate us ?

They should be pushing, lobbying, gaining fan support, talking about where plan B etc etc.

Its like saying my landlord is selling the house I am in, but I have dropped the new owners an email saying what I want to stay, even though they are moving in.

Otis · Jul 12, 2016

Certainly seems a lack of urgency.

Whatever the wrongs of other parties, Sisu don't appear to be chewing at the bit to try their utmost do they.

Seems a degree of apathy all round.

Brylowes · Jul 12, 2016

ccfcway said:
If that is what he is saying that's just as bad. Shared the requirements and waiting for CSF who aren't that bothered about CCFC to come back and say if they can accommodate us ?

They should be pushing, lobbying, gaining fan support, talking about where plan B etc etc.

Its like saying my landlord is selling the house I am in, but I have dropped the new owners an email saying what I want to stay, even though they are moving in.

Exactly this,

SkyBlueCharlie · Jul 12, 2016

Isn't a lot of this just a rewrite of the SBC minutes published earlier this week? Top class investigative journalism!

Brylowes · Jul 12, 2016

Otis said:
Certainly seems a lack of urgency.

Whatever the wrongs of other parties, Sisu don't appear to be chewing at the bit to try their utmost do they.

Seems a degree of apathy all round.

I know I've said it several times, but there all round manner tells me they no
longer want to fund the academy, it's like they are using a wet paper bag to
fend off a hurricane

chiefdave · Jul 12, 2016

ccfcway said:
If that is what he is saying that's just as bad. Shared the requirements and waiting for CSF who aren't that bothered about CCFC to come back and say if they can accommodate us ?

How can talks be held when CSF and Wasps aren't prepared to say what is available?

Broken Hearted Sky Blue · Jul 12, 2016

chiefdave said:
How can talks be held when CSF and Wasps aren't prepared to say what is availableant be he?

No talks can't be held if one party won't meet you draw your own conclusion of who that party is

Nick · Jul 12, 2016

Broken Hearted Sky Blue said:
No talks can't be held if one party won't meet you draw your own conclusion of who that party is

What's happening?

Broken Hearted Sky Blue · Jul 12, 2016

Nick said:
What's happening?

I suggest you ask Reid to ask Anderson

ccfcway · Jul 12, 2016

chiefdave said:
How can talks be held when CSF and Wasps aren't prepared to say what is available?

then you ask again, and again, and then tell everyone you have asked 10 times, then show everyone the evidence of that, then say what plan B is, ensuring you get the support of everyone on your side......

Its CCFC who have the most to lose, and as such, its them who should be battling the hardest and encouraging us to join in

ccfcway · Jul 12, 2016

Nick said:
What's happening?

nail on the head

Nick · Jul 12, 2016

Broken Hearted Sky Blue said:
I suggest you ask Reid to ask Anderson

Well you obviously know.... Who have you heard from, and what?

Broken Hearted Sky Blue · Jul 12, 2016

Nick said:
Well you obviously know.... Who have you heard from, and what?

Said before that it will soon come out. Also said that they don't really want the academy we will see

Brylowes · Jul 12, 2016

Broken Hearted Sky Blue said:
Said before that it will soon come out. Also said that they don't really want the academy we will see

I'm sure they don't, just another nail in our coffin, can't be that many more nails
needed to seal us up for good.

Broken Hearted Sky Blue · Jul 12, 2016

Brylowes said:
I'm sure they don't, just another nail in our coffin, can't be that many more nails
needed to seal us up for good.

At least won't have to worry about taking holidays during the season for the first time

Brylowes · Jul 12, 2016

Broken Hearted Sky Blue said:
At least won't have to worry about taking holidays during the season for the first time

That makes me feel no better, this really is shit isn't it .

Broken Hearted Sky Blue · Jul 12, 2016

Brylowes said:
That makes me feel no better, this really is shit isn't it .

Nor me you're right it is shit. It's the going out without a whimper that gets me

Nick · Jul 12, 2016

Broken Hearted Sky Blue said:
Said before that it will soon come out. Also said that they don't really want the academy we will see

Who has and when

Brylowes · Jul 12, 2016

Broken Hearted Sky Blue said:
Nor me you're right it is shit. It's the going out without a whimper that gets me

I've thought for the past couple of years (at least) our only real hope is if
SISU leave, you seem to be close to people in the know, tell me is there
another way.

Broken Hearted Sky Blue · Jul 12, 2016

Brylowes said:
I've thought for the past couple of years (at least) our only real hope is if
SISU leave, you seem to be close to people in the know, tell me is there
another way.

I know various people from the Trust and others what I am reluctant to reveal at the moment is not from my friends in the Trust. Your right if SISU leave we have a chance thing is can't see them leaving so the decline and apathy continues

Broken Hearted Sky Blue · Jul 12, 2016

Nick said:
Who has and when

I did when the academy came up

Brylowes · Jul 12, 2016

Broken Hearted Sky Blue said:
I know various people from the Trust and others what I am reluctant to reveal at the moment is not from my friends in the Trust. Your right if SISU leave we have a chance thing is can't see them leaving so the decline and apathy continues

FFS, would rather this was quick, this is just slow and painful,

Broken Hearted Sky Blue · Jul 12, 2016

Brylowes said:
FFS, would rather this was quick, this is just slow and painful,

Well soon there won't be anything else they can cut so unless we have a successful season or two ..........

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