The timing is poor, if they had little/not confidence in him they shouldn't have renewed his contract. I doubt a replacement will be in before the end of the week, the transfer window will be shut and any new manager will be lucky to bring in 1 maybe 2 loan players.
Was it ever confirmed that he'd been given a new contract?
I wouldn't be surprised if he was on a rolling contract and cost nothing to sack him.
I agree it is odd. It's almost as of they felt he wasn't up to it but decided to let him have the summer to see it could work.
The big question is where does that leave Carsley and shaw? I believe we will get someone new and they normally want their own staff.
We made AB and AT work with the existing staff so I presume that will be the case again
I was under the impression that it was Shaw and Carsley as joint managers in muh the same way as Sillitt and Curtis. Come to think of it that didn't pan out too badly.Agreed I think he will receive nothing like a years salary and I wouldn't be surprised if shaw is on a probation period as well.
To some extent, I agree with you BUT a new and "proper" Manager will get the best out of those players whereas AT would have been unable to do that.I personally think he has been proper bummed by SISU , he has used his scouting ability to bring in some exciting players like Barton ,Fleck ,Elliott ,Jennings, Malaga and others and they havent given him any time to work with them properly .
Cheers Andy , thanks for scouting these players ,now a new manager will get the credit........
Maybe but i still think they have shafted Thorn ,if SISU get rid at the end of last season would we have signed some or any of the new players ? A "proper" manager might have played it too safeTo some extent, I agree with you BUT a new and "proper" Manager will get the best out of those players whereas AT would have been unable to do that.
Maybe but i still think they have shafted Thorn ,if SISU get rid at the end of last season would we have signed some or any of the new players ? A "proper" manager might have played it too safe
Maybe but i still think they have shafted Thorn ,if SISU get rid at the end of last season would we have signed some or any of the new players ? A "proper" manager might have played it too safe
What i am saying is i think SISU have utilised Thorns Scouting ability over the summer ,and as such we have a very useful looking squad of playersAre you having a laugh? Name any football club that would ever have given such a limited individual a chance at management? He's on the ladder now and may even get another chance. Heaven help the club that takes him though. Perhaps he'll at least sign bell one he definately scouted.
He should be very very grateful to sisu.
What i am saying is i think SISU have utilised Thorns Scouting ability over the summer ,and as such we have a very useful looking squad of players
I dont think i suggested he was a particularily good manager
Thats what i meant earlier when i said i think Thorn has been bummed .SISU have utilised his skills and then have thought maybe a "better" manager will get the best out of them .Thorn's scouting ability is unquestionable IMO - and that is a useful strength as a Manager. Unfortunately it isn't enough to be a good Manager.
He's a quality Scout - and i'm sure a team in a higher league than us will pick him up.
Hence my very much tongue in cheek thread -Shaw and Carsley outSome people just won't let go will they?
We have had a succession of so called managers. 11 in 11 years. In that time not one has set the world alight.
Yet to many Thorn is to blame for everything that is wrong with City.
Well he's gone now so you've got your wish. I hope all your other wishes come true. Life is like that.
We have had a succession of so called managers. 11 in 11 years. In that time not one has set the world alight.
Thats what i meant earlier when i said i think Thorn has been bummed .SISU have utilised his skills and then have thought maybe a "better" manager will get the best out of them .
Maybe shrewd business sense but a tad harsh imo
Just not true.
Please elaborate...
11 managers in 11 years. Go back 11 years and you'll find the first change was Roland Nilsson. In his tenure, before Jim Smith was foisted upon him, his CCFC team averaged 1.77 points per game for an 81 point pace. That is comfortably in the playoffs and possibly challenging for automatic promotion. He took the club from 19th place to 8th place in a few months.
Go to the next year and you'll find Eric Black. In his tenure the team averaged 1.56 points per game at a 72 point pace, which would have been challenging for the playoffs with a very average squad.
Both these managers were sacked by Mike McGinnity.
I cannot stress this enough times - if you chop and change every year without discrimination, sure, it is a losing policy. That's what CCFC has done at times. But if it recognised the strong-performing managers that have dropped in its lap, we wouldn't have had anywhere near 11 changes in this time period.
I can't argue with the Eric Black to be fair. Roland Nilsson - as much as I love the guy and he's since done well as a Manager, was a novice at the time with lots of Premier League players. Not making the playoffs wasn't good enough IMO.
Thing is, he was well on course to make the playoffs before Jim Smith was installed in the dugout. Nilsson had completely revolutionised the City squad.
It's tricky when back room staff get the blame for things. Nobody really knows how they are contributing. Could be a coincidence - but might not by the same token
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