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wingy

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Won his constructive dismissal case.did offload like we heard about to Waggot.
 

WestEndAgro

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No budget

Sacked by Text

"Disgraceful sacking" according to Richard Keyes

Steve Fisher was told were to go

Legal battle won by Thorn regarding constructive dismissal

Keyes suggest Robins could go the same way

RR big loss because he was a Football person and had no one since at the club

SISU hated by Keys
 

Otis

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Never knew that last one. That is a real shock.
 

SkyBlue_Bear83

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Sacked by text, real classy :jerkit:
 

covcity4life

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"dnt cum in 2mrw" "LoL"
 

Senior Vick from Alicante

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Sacked by text, what class we have in and around our boardroom. You think SISU and Joy couldnt get any lower but they always manage to some how. Obviously Fisher is Joys poisen dwarf and does exactly what he is told. I know we dont have any insight into what goes on inside the corridors at the club but you can see why people are scared to voice an opinion. Any team is only as strong as its weakest part, unfortunately our weakest part owns the club so GOD HELP US!
 
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wingy

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not quite sacked by text.
He reckoned there is a problem with mobile signal down the Ricoh ,so they texted him to boardroom for meet.
He went up there ,every one gone .
Starts to drive home gets a call,followed by another call or something like that.
 

WestEndAgro

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wingy said:
not quite sacked by text.
He reckoned there is a problem with mobile signal down the Ricoh ,so they texted him to boardroom for meet.
He went up there ,every one gone .
Starts to drive home gets a call,followed by another call or something like that.
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Correct Wingy, but sacked by text sounds better.
 

oldskyblue58

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didnt he actually say that he got a text as he was leaving Ricoh to go to the Board room and no one was there when he got there, then got a phone call later ? Either text or phone call is wrong - face to face it should be. Were we not told by TF that the directors discussed it on the Sunday then made a decision ? He was sacked, how could it be constructive dismissal ? He had a legal battle to agree his severance - not unusual. We have the one of biggest wage budgets in the division £4.2m - thats not no budget. He told SW a few home truths from his side of things - hooray someone ought to but dont be surprised if the reaction isnt positive.

Not actually having a go at AT - always thought him to be a good honest man, he can only tell it as he sees it - but anything to do with CCFC never seems to come out ringing of the truth. Kind of fed up with that

There is no one truth I guess
 
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wingy

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Does smack of kneejerk to be honest ,I'm coming to the conclusion they really had no intention of doing this so early and so unprepared for a replacement IMO !!
 

Mary_Mungo_Midge

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oldskyblue58 said:
We have the one of biggest wage budgets in the division £4.2m - thats not no budget.
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Didn't hear the interview, but did he clearly state the context for his 'no budget' assertion?

If it related to last season, then he's correct - we were funded within the bottom three teams in the league - which is where we finished.

Always amazes me that people will point at our comparative large budget this year, and claim that there should be a table-topping correlation to this. Yet dismiss the same equation for when a team is funded within the very poorest in the league as we were last term...
 

oldskyblue58

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was responding to the quote from another poster MMM on that particular point but it maybe i have misunderstood the context. But there is always a budget, no budget is a misconception. I agree it needs to be clear which season referred to.

Spending millions doesnt guarantee success and a small budget doesnt have to mean failure...... although both indicate a likely outcome. Think we should also distinguish between wage budget and transfer budget. It is also easy to blame it on the "budget" without looking behind it at things like the ability to move players on to create cash to bring players in.

Do we actually know what was spent on wages to 31/05/12 ? or the figure for other teams ? Anyone know of anywhere we can get the net transfer trade for each team to 31/05/12 (not estimates)?
 
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Perryccfc

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Said he wanted James Collins And David McGoldrick to be his strike force in the summer. Last season in the champ he told the board we were a couple of Bosmans away from challenging. He went away for summer and came back 12 players down. Knew within a month we were in trouble. Contacted Harry Redknapp?!

Was pleased with how we started this season. Unplayable first half v Bury.
 

Nick

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What did he speak to Harry about?
 

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Perryccfc said:
Said he wanted James Collins And David McGoldrick to be his strike force in the summer. Last season in the champ he told the board we were a couple of Bosmans away from challenging. He went away for summer and came back 12 players down. Knew within a month we were in trouble. Contacted Harry Redknapp?!

Was pleased with how we started this season. Unplayable first half v Bury.
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Unfortunately a football match doesn't last 45 mins.


Nor indeed as a matter of fact, 75 mins, or 81 mins, or 86 mins, or 88 mins etc. etc. etc.
 
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wingy

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Obviously not scientific but did'nt we come to an Estimate on here of around £8-9M. on here OSB.
Transfer Income Turner ,Gunnarson ,Juke Circa £1.8-£2m.
Further income was it for Best and Dann sell ons ,international call ups??
Outward---- Dunn £80k.... mcdonald £400k.
 

oldskyblue58

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Clingan, Crainie, Eastwood, Hriedarson, Platt, Ireland out of contract

Nimely, Norwood loans returned to club

McPake, Deagan out of favour and moved on halfway through transfer window by AT

Keogh, Bigirimana (not a regular under AT) sold when doubt AT wanted them to be

surely AT knew about most of the 12 missing at the end of last season?
 

oldskyblue58

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wingy said:
Obviously not scientific but did'nt we come to an Estimate on here of around £8-9M. on here OSB.
Transfer Income Turner ,Gunnarson ,Juke Circa £1.8-£2m.
Further income was it for Best and Dann sell ons ,international call ups??
Outward---- Dunn £80k.... mcdonald £400k.
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wont know for sure wingy till 2012 accounts come out but i wonder how that net amount compares to other clubs ?

this makes an interesting read
http://www.thescratchingshed.com/2012/04/championship-clubs-financial-results-2010-11/

our turnover 2011 10.3m and 2010 9.3m
our wage bill 2011 10.4m and 2010 10.3m

doesnt leave much turnover to pay overheads etc ......... infact nothing
 
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Mary_Mungo_Midge

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Nick said:
What did he speak to Harry about?
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Tax advice?
 
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wingy

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oldskyblue58 said:
Clingan, Crainie, Eastwood, Hriedarson, Platt, Ireland out of contract

Nimely, Norwood loans returned to club

McPake, Deagan out of favour and moved on halfway through transfer window by AT

Keogh, Bigirimana (not a regular under AT) sold when doubt AT wanted them to be

surely AT knew about most of the 12 missing at the end of last season?
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Again with these I think he was referring to the previous summer.
Two summers of huge upheaval ,cannot possibly be good for moral .
 
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oldskyblue58

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largely the way of football these days though ........ there is a significant change in staff at most clubs each summer..... the key is getting the right ones in isnt it ?
 
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georgehudson

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it's on the talk sport listen again feature,
& in listening to it, it really shows what a bunch sisu are,
it'll be interesting to see whether,
a) F & W give their response to the stated facts in the interview, &
b) whether C & W grasp the opportunity to make an effective debate on the matter,
PUSB
 

LJC_CCFC

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Here is the link - http://www.talksport.co.uk/radio/ri.../thorn-i-was-sacked-coventry-boss-text-185380
 
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From what I've seen we played better football under Thorn than Robins
 

Houchens Head

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When I saw the title to this thread, I expected to see this............

A Thorn-Back Ray!

 
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sky blue zam

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wheres the rest of his interview?
 
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wingy

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Thought it was a Pompey fan for a minute HH,with a Skate ,you don't need me to tell you the rest .
 

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oldskyblue58 said:
wont know for sure wingy till 2012 accounts come out but i wonder how that net amount compares to other clubs ?

this makes an interesting read
http://www.thescratchingshed.com/2012/04/championship-clubs-financial-results-2010-11/

our turnover 2011 10.3m and 2010 9.3m
our wage bill 2011 10.4m and 2010 10.3m

doesnt leave much turnover to pay overheads etc ......... infact nothing
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It proves that amount spent on wages or not no guarantee of success or failure, the right manager important no matter the resources.
 

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Perryccfc said:
Said he wanted James Collins And David McGoldrick to be his strike force in the summer. Last season in the champ he told the board we were a couple of Bosmans away from challenging. He went away for summer and came back 12 players down. Knew within a month we were in trouble. Contacted Harry Redknapp?!

Was pleased with how we started this season. Unplayable first half v Bury.
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Cetainly can believe Collins was his first choice - he is his type of stiker - one that rarely scores.
 
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Never heard such a load of bilge in my life. Thorn STILL takes absolutely no blame for what happens! Was SISU at fault for making changes in the 85th minute? Was it the SISU's fault he turned up drunk to training and would cancal at a whim? Was it SISU who played Clarke on the left when he clearly isn't any use there (something MR is STILL doing!).

SISU have an awful lot of blame, but for him to imply it was ALL them. That is just utter bollocks!

Also if he was that concerned why didn't he resign? If he wanted "to act with class" he would have had the backbone to resign - but he didn't did he!

The people in football know about all the behind the scene stuff. Sadly Richard Keys just wanted to use Thorn as a weapon against SISU. The truth is yes he wasn't given a lot to work with, but just look at the bilge he brought in when he WAS given the chance!

GOOD RIDDANCE
 
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psgm1 said:
Never heard such a load of bilge in my life. Thorn STILL takes absolutely no blame for what happens! Was SISU at fault for making changes in the 85th minute? Was it the SISU's fault he turned up drunk to training and would cancal at a whim? Was it SISU who played Clarke on the left when he clearly isn't any use there (something MR is STILL doing!).

SISU have an awful lot of blame, but for him to imply it was ALL them. That is just utter bollocks!

Also if he was that concerned why didn't he resign? If he wanted "to act with class" he would have had the backbone to resign - but he didn't did he!

The people in football know about all the behind the scene stuff. Sadly Richard Keys just wanted to use Thorn as a weapon against SISU. The truth is yes he wasn't given a lot to work with, but just look at the bilge he brought in when he WAS given the chance!

GOOD RIDDANCE
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if he turned up drunk at training do you really think he would have won his dismissal case.

Do you also think TF would have kept that quite.

Do you also think he would now attack them, effectively goading them into releasing that fact.

Where do you get this from?
 
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Grendel said:
Cetainly can believe Collins was his first choice - he is his type of stiker - one that rarely scores.
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Glad we have cleared up the DMC, matter. Were you not making similar comments about DMC when AT identified him
 

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dongonzalos said:
Glad we have cleared up the DMC, matter. Were you not making similar comments about DMC when AT identified him
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I fully expect McGoldrick to be a one (or half) season wonder actually.

No one has cleared up any matter - I don't care what he says and he always has had selective memory.

For once psgm1 ir right - he never once has owned up to admitting any blame for the clubs state during his tenure - and he must go down in history as the worst manager for signing good players. Of all his signings I would say one (Murphy) was worth anything.
 
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Grendel said:
I fully expect McGoldrick to be a one (or half) season wonder actually.

No one has cleared up any matter - I don't care what he says and he always has had selective memory.

For once psgm1 ir right - he never once has owned up to admitting any blame for the clubs state during his tenure - and he must go down in history as the worst manager for signing good players. Of all his signings I would say one (Murphy) was worth anything.
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Keogh, Mcpake, Gunnar, Juke, DMC (i assume loans are included), Norwood, Westwood.
 
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Grendel said:
I fully expect McGoldrick to be a one (or half) season wonder actually.

No one has cleared up any matter - I don't care what he says and he always has had selective memory.

For once psgm1 ir right - he never once has owned up to admitting any blame for the clubs state during his tenure - and he must go down in history as the worst manager for signing good players. Of all his signings I would say one (Murphy) was worth anything.
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selective memory?

So we were linked with DMC when we were in the championship, he signed days after AT leaves, but it nothing to do with AT
 
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