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  • Start date Aug 17, 2020
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mrtrench

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  • Aug 17, 2020
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I saw that someone mentioned anarchy in the footy forum. As luck would have it, I've only just finished reading a book about Spanish anarchy in the 1930s.

Just my understanding, but anarchy always refers to left wing politics. The right wing equivalent (small government and little interference) is called libertarianism.
There may be more types of anarchy - all I know about is the Spanish experiment. It started in agricultural areas with groups of peasants expropriating land but became quite widespread via the CNT union. They organised themselves with collectives which all had voted governing bodies. Industry and factories joined in and collectives were set up by trade: arms manufacture; hairdressing; food distribution etc. People think that anarchy means no governing but they had lots of elected forums in a pyramid; the key was that they took assets and then tried (unsuccessfully) to get rid of all money by trading between communes using barter. No private ownership was permitted and they kicked people out who, for example, didn't spend all their coupons each week - as a way to ensure that nobody could save and hence acquire capital.

They were strongly opposed by both the Socialist and the Communist parties - which I thought was odd, as my understanding of communism as per Marx is that it is effectively anarchy: Socialism is stage 1 when the government owns everything and later government is no longer needed and it becomes communism. They were eventually defeated when Franco won the civil war.

I have a book on the Paris Commune which I will read soon. I'm also going to read writings from anarchist theoreticians such as Kropotkin.
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Aug 17, 2020
  • #2
mrtrench said:
I saw that someone mentioned anarchy in the footy forum. As luck would have it, I've only just finished reading a book about Spanish anarchy in the 1930s.

Just my understanding, by anarchy always refers to left wing politics. The right wing equivalent (small government and little interference) is called libertarianism.
There may be more types of anarchy - all I know about is the Spanish experiment. It started in agricultural areas with groups of peasants expropriating land but became quite widespread via the CNT union. They organised themselves with collectives which all had voted governing bodies. Industry and factories joined in and collectives were set up by trade: arms manufacture; hairdressing; food distribution etc. People think that anarchy means no governing but they had lots of elected forums in a pyramid; the key was that they took assets and then tried (unsuccessfully) to get rid of all money by trading between communes using barter. No private ownership was permitted and they kicked people out who, for example, didn't spend all their coupons each week - as a way to ensure that nobody could save and hence acquire capital.

They were strongly opposed by both the Socialist and the Communist parties - which I thought was odd, as my understanding of communism as per Marx is that it is effectively anarchy: Socialism is stage 1 when the government owns everything and later government is no longer needed and it becomes communism. They were eventually defeated when Franco won the civil war.

I have a book on the Paris Commune which I will read soon. I'm also going to read writings from anarchist theoreticians such as Kropotkin.
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Yeah what you explain to me sounds like my broad understanding of communism. Effectively it seems like the difference is that communism plans what is produced whereas anarchy does not?
 

skybluetony176

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  • Aug 17, 2020
  • #3
Was the banking crisis not anarchy in the truest sense of the word?
 

mrtrench

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  • Aug 17, 2020
  • #4
fernandopartridge said:
Yeah what you explain to me sounds like my broad understanding of communism. Effectively it seems like the difference is that communism plans what is produced whereas anarchy does not?
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I couldn't tell you if all attempts at anarchy plans, but in Spain each commune planned their own production. I doubt the Paris commune did much planning as they weren't around for long. There was an attempt at anarchy in the Ukraine at some point too, so I'll find a book on that.

I don't know what the difference is between communism and anarchy - not in the Marxian definition of communism anyway. I'll need to do some more research.
 
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  • Aug 18, 2020
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mrtrench said:
The right wing equivalent (small government and little interference) is called libertarianism.
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Small government and little interference, when combined with socialism, can equal anarchism.

Try this chap.

http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.361.7683&rep=rep1&type=pdf
 

shmmeee

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  • Aug 18, 2020
  • #6
mrtrench said:
I couldn't tell you if all attempts at anarchy plans, but in Spain each commune planned their own production. I doubt the Paris commune did much planning as they weren't around for long. There was an attempt at anarchy in the Ukraine at some point too, so I'll find a book on that.

I don't know what the difference is between communism and anarchy - not in the Marxian definition of communism anyway. I'll need to do some more research.
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I see a lot of student politics types identifying as anarcho-communists if that helps.

The far left is ridiculous with their factions.
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Aug 18, 2020
  • #7
shmmeee said:
I see a lot of student politics types identifying as anarcho-communists if that helps.

The far left is ridiculous with their factions.
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Fuck off are we anarcho-communists, we're commu-anarchists!
 
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