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Alternative Ground (9 Viewers)

  • Thread starter oldskyblue58
  • Start date Apr 24, 2013
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Will you go to an alternative "home" ground outside of the City next season?

  • Yes

    Votes: 32 13.3%
  • No

    Votes: 182 75.8%
  • Unsure

    Votes: 26 10.8%

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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Apr 25, 2013
  • #176
torchomatic said:
Can't argue with that. We don't need a hedge fund or a joint venture company bleeding our club dry.
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Buying the Higgs share will be a doddle for any owner of the club who isn't SISU. Buying the council's share will be a lot harder I think given the ridiculous comments of certain councillors-recall one of them phoning in on CWR recently to state that they don't want to sell it regardless of who owns the club. Ludicrous thing to say.
 

torchomatic

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 25, 2013
  • #177
Yeah agree. That was Kevin Maton.

Brighton Sky Blue said:
Buying the Higgs share will be a doddle for any owner of the club who isn't SISU. Buying the council's share will be a lot harder I think given the ridiculous comments of certain councillors-recall one of them phoning in on CWR recently to state that they don't want to sell it regardless of who owns the club. Ludicrous thing to say.
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theferret

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 25, 2013
  • #178
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Buying the Higgs share will be a doddle for any owner of the club who isn't SISU. Buying the council's share will be a lot harder I think given the ridiculous comments of certain councillors-recall one of them phoning in on CWR recently to state that they don't want to sell it regardless of who owns the club. Ludicrous thing to say.
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Agree, the Higgs share will be handed over on a plate pretty much. I don't know why the council wouldn't be keen to sell, as long as they were confident the buyers were competent and had good intentions why wouldn't they? You'd have thought they'd want rid of the headache, and they'd still own the freehold.
 
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Ashdown1

New Member
  • Apr 25, 2013
  • #179
I wouldn't be so sure they wouldn't do a deal, one councillor's opinion doesn't mean a dictatorship. The fans will hopefully help SISU finally get their coats and the same fans could heavily pressure the council the same to do what's right for the long term survival of the club. I would also expect any new owners to run the club in an economically responsible fashion with supporter involvement wherever possible.
 

Nonleagueherewecome

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 25, 2013
  • #180
torchomatic said:
That's ACL. What about SISU?
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ACL are a Hedge Fund?
 

torchomatic

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 25, 2013
  • #181
Nah, obviously not. A multi-layered joint venture company. Not much difference really.

Nonleagueherewecome said:
ACL are a Hedge Fund?
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duffer

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 25, 2013
  • #182
torchomatic said:
Nah, obviously not. A multi-layered joint venture company. Not much difference really.
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C'mon mate - always enjoy your banter, but there's a world of difference between ACL (who have a public structure and clear records regarding who owns what), and SISU, Arvo, Otium EG etc. who have multiple layered companies, some based offshore, and manage funds for which there is no clear beneficial owner.

Would have to disagree here, sorry.
 

Nonleagueherewecome

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 25, 2013
  • #183
torchomatic said:
Nah, obviously not. A multi-layered joint venture company. Not much difference really.
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The big difference is that SISU are vultures who specialise in buying up struggling companies to try and squeeze money out of them. As far as I am aware, ACL's business is restricted to The Ricoh Arena. World of difference if you ask me!
 

torchomatic

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 25, 2013
  • #184
I guess. They're just squeezing money out of Coventry City rather than a host of companies. Obviously, ACL aren't as ruthless but they are still doing City no favours.

My point is, neither are any good for us.

Nonleagueherewecome said:
The big difference is that SISU are vultures who specialise in buying up struggling companies to try and squeeze money out of them. As far as I am aware, ACL's business is restricted to The Ricoh Arena. World of difference if you ask me!
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duffer said:
C'mon mate - always enjoy your banter, but there's a world of difference between ACL (who have a public structure and clear records regarding who owns what), and SISU, Arvo, Otium EG etc. who have multiple layered companies, some based offshore, and manage funds for which there is no clear beneficial owner.

Would have to disagree here, sorry.
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duffer

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 25, 2013
  • #185
torchomatic said:
I guess. They're just squeezing money out of Coventry City rather than a host of companies.
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I thought Coventry City was a host of companies!
 

torchomatic

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 25, 2013
  • #186
Ha! You got me there! Even more similar then, aren't they?!

duffer said:
I thought Coventry City was a host of companies!
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duffer

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 25, 2013
  • #187
torchomatic said:
Ha! You got me there! Even more similar then, aren't they?!
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Ah, one day we'll look back on all this and laugh.

Let's just hope we're not stood next to each other in the away end at Bedworth when that day comes, or it may all have gone horribly wrong.
 
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_brian_

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 25, 2013
  • #188
I will go wherever we play next season, but if it's outside of the city of Coventry then I will take a banner with me to all 'home' games, with words on it highlighting to Sisu how disgruntled I am at the stadium situation!
 

Jim

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 25, 2013
  • #189
torchomatic said:
I guess. They're just squeezing money out of Coventry City rather than a host of companies. Obviously, ACL aren't as ruthless but they are still doing City no favours.

My point is, neither are any good for us.
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Rubbish. CCFC and ACL both agreed the rent figure with no clause for revaluation. This CCFC's fault for declining flexible rental that was offered.

When CCFC asked for negotiation after relegation (albeit in an arse backwards / unscrupulous way) ACL did not take long in offering a vastly improved rate and payment plan for debt.
 
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Broken Hearted Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 25, 2013
  • #190
WillieStanley said:
I haven't got that impression from anyone. Even those who have leaned more in the clubs bias in recent months have conceded that it's time for them to go.
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Sorry must have been in a coma what exactly has anybody learned in the clubs bias in recent months? Oh and I presume when you say the club you mean Sisu?
 

mark82

Super Moderator
  • Apr 25, 2013
  • #191
Broken Hearted Sky Blue said:
Sorry must have been in a coma what exactly has anybody learned in the clubs bias in recent months? Oh and I presume when you say the club you mean Sisu?
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Leaned not learned. And no-one has supported SISU, they supported the club in the stance over the stadium. You really need to learn to read properly.
 

torchomatic

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 25, 2013
  • #192
Exactly. I will support the club ten times out of ten. I won't and never will support ACL.

mark82 said:
Leaned not learned. And no-one has supported SISU, they supported the club in the stance over the stadium. You really need to learn to read properly.
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torchomatic

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 25, 2013
  • #193
Of course it is. Apologies.

Jim said:
Rubbish. CCFC and ACL both agreed the rent figure with no clause for revaluation. This CCFC's fault for declining flexible rental that was offered.

When CCFC asked for negotiation after relegation (albeit in an arse backwards / unscrupulous way) ACL did not take long in offering a vastly improved rate and payment plan for debt.
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CCFCDan87

New Member
  • Apr 25, 2013
  • #194
mark82 said:
Leaned not learned. And no-one has supported SISU, they supported the club in the stance over the stadium. You really need to learn to read properly.
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SISU are using CCFC as there tool. If you loved the club so much you would be doing everything and anything to get them out! If that means stopping putting money in the club then so be it
 

torchomatic

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 25, 2013
  • #195
Now, I don't subscribe to that notion. The whole "money starvation" thing is a little skewed in my view. You're just adding to the club's woes.

Got a headache? Then slit your throat. Bingo! No headache.

CCFCDan87 said:
SISU are using CCFC as there tool. If you loved the club so much you would be doing everything and anything to get them out! If that means stopping putting money in the club then so be it
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RoboCCFC90

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 25, 2013
  • #196
torchomatic said:
Now, I don't subscribe to that notion. The whole "money starvation" thing is a little skewed in my view. You're just adding to the club's woes.

Got a headache? Then slit your throat. Bingo! No headache.
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Although you might have a sore throat!!
 

Mucca Mad Boys

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 25, 2013
  • #197
RoboCCFC90 said:
Although you might have a sore throat!!
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Might go a bit pale also.
 
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CCFCDan87

New Member
  • Apr 25, 2013
  • #198
torchomatic said:
Now, I don't subscribe to that notion. The whole "money starvation" thing is a little skewed in my view. You're just adding to the club's woes.

Got a headache? Then slit your throat. Bingo! No headache.
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If they keep losing money then they'll give in eventually. Not a hard way to grasp things. If a company doesn't generate income then it becomes insolvent.
 

torchomatic

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 25, 2013
  • #199
True. But no SISU.

RoboCCFC90 said:
Although you might have a sore throat!!
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torchomatic

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 25, 2013
  • #200
No, it's not a hard thing to grasp. However, I won't add to the financial woes of the club. Fine if you want to do it. Each to their own.

CCFCDan87 said:
If they keep losing money then they'll give in eventually. Not a hard way to grasp things. If a company doesn't generate income then it becomes insolvent.
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Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 25, 2013
  • #201
CCFCDan87 said:
If they keep losing money then they'll give in eventually. Not a hard way to grasp things. If a company doesn't generate income then it becomes insolvent.
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No thanks I'll carry on supporting the club

I know that makes me a really bad person but I just can't help myself.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 25, 2013
  • #202
theferret said:
Agree, the Higgs share will be handed over on a plate pretty much. I don't know why the council wouldn't be keen to sell, as long as they were confident the buyers were competent and had good intentions why wouldn't they? You'd have thought they'd want rid of the headache, and they'd still own the freehold.
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I don't think their resolve to not sell has been properly tested. Were say Haskell to offer something like £10-20m, which is in my mind too high, they'd be idiots to reject it.
 
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RoboCCFC90

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 25, 2013
  • #203
There is an old saying that goes "A dog is not just for christmas, its for life"

This can also be implicated in Football Club terms "Coventry City is not just for the good times, bad times, slightly horrific times, SISU times, but for life"

I swear it could catch on..
 

stupot07

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 25, 2013
  • #204
CCFCDan87 said:
If they keep losing money then they'll give in eventually. Not a hard way to grasp things. If a company doesn't generate income then it becomes insolvent.
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If they keep losing money? That's exactly what fans except new owners to do - use their own money to fund losses of ccfc so that we can have a better squad
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 25, 2013
  • #205
stupot07 said:
If they keep losing money? That's exactly what fans except new owners to do - use their own money to fund losses of ccfc so that we can have a better squad
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Applies to virtually any fan up and down the country.
 
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CCFCDan87

New Member
  • Apr 25, 2013
  • #206
stupot07 said:
If they keep losing money? That's exactly what fans except new owners to do - use their own money to fund losses of ccfc so that we can have a better squad
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Next season our squad will be full of kids under SISU. Anyone who thinks different doesn't live in the real world. The club is crippling and is dying day by day whilst SISU are still here
 
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Broken Hearted Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 25, 2013
  • #207
mark82 said:
Leaned not learned. And no-one has supported SISU, they supported the club in the stance over the stadium. You really need to learn to read properly.
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You presume i didnt read your post correctly I did. If people lean towards something they must have information that they didn't have before so what crucial bit of information have they been given in the last few months?
 
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Broken Hearted Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 25, 2013
  • #208
Another thing can somebody explain to me what they think the club is
 

stupot07

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 25, 2013
  • #209
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Applies to virtually any fan up and down the country.
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So what? Just because other clubs do it doesn't mean we should. This is one of the main reasons we're in this shit. We (and all clubs) shouldn't be reliant on people funding our losses. At the end of the day the investor/owner doesn't gift the club the money, it is an investment/loan which just racks up debt.

This is one of the reasons FFP is being introduced.
 
Last edited: Apr 25, 2013

stupot07

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 25, 2013
  • #210
CCFCDan87 said:
Next season our squad will be full of kids under SISU. Anyone who thinks different doesn't live in the real world. The club is crippling and is dying day by day whilst SISU are still here
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It is also crippling because the people of Coventry don't support the club.
 
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