Almost 30 years without success (4 Viewers)

ernieflag · Mar 16, 2015

Hi guys

Although the attached focuses on Oldham I thought you might find it quite interesting as it looks at the impact of long periods without success on a football club.

Coventry, Tranmere and Oldham stand out as 3 clubs who have not had success of any kind over the past 20 years. You win the award of the longest wait by 4 years but I think it leaves us all in a similar predicament (though I recognise that your stadium issues provide a whole new level from a Cov perspective).

I hope you find t of some interest

http://www.ernieflag.co.uk/site/index.php/bloggs/14-oldham-athletic/178-yearning-for-successi

Grendel · Mar 16, 2015

Yes it's of interest but definition of success really is not accurate.

If ccFC had remained a premier league club attendances would still have been high. We would have though not have been deemed as successful as Rochdale.

skybluesam66 · Mar 16, 2015

Grendel - even using that analogy the last 14 years have been dire

from around 1970 to 1990 the first division was such that any body could challenge and even win it - look at villa/forest/derby/Norwich/Ipswich/Southampton etc etc in those years

and not being in the top 6 post 1970 was an abysmal record
as is not being in the top 6 of either the championship or league 1 since

you go to matches to see your team be successful - FA cup apart - we have had 45 years of nothing but survival and the odd big result

speedie87 · Mar 16, 2015

for me every year we stayed in the top division is better than if we had won the 2nd division that season.

covcity4life · Mar 16, 2015

speedie87 said:
for me every year we stayed in the top division is better than if we had won the 2nd division that season.

if we ever got back to prem i would NEVER take it for granted again.

ernieflag · Mar 16, 2015

Interesting to hear your views. I understand the theory on being happy to stay in the Premier League without tasting any success but I am not convinced that it would work in practice. I remember Oldham's three seasons in the top flight in the early 90s but whilst objectively I clearly wish we were still there, I am well aware that if we had spent the last 20 years finishing between 10th and 17th every season there would be plenty of people who would have lost interest and drifted away.

The nature of fans is such that they are never happy with what they have got. Looking at the prospect of mid table mediocrity in the Premier League whilst sat in the bottom half of League one is very different from trying to view it objectively whilst living it. I imagine that the likes of Villa and Everton fans live for their occasional cup runs rather than for turning up to see their side draw at home to Stoke in mid April to guarantee another season at the top table.

Grendel · Mar 16, 2015

ernieflag said:
Interesting to hear your views. I understand the theory on being happy to stay in the Premier League without tasting any success but I am not convinced that it would work in practice. I remember Oldham's three seasons in the top flight in the early 90s but whilst objectively I clearly wish we were still there, I am well aware that if we had spent the last 20 years finishing between 10th and 17th every season there would be plenty of people who would have lost interest and drifted away.

The nature of fans is such that they are never happy with what they have got. Looking at the prospect of mid table mediocrity in the Premier League whilst sat in the bottom half of League one is very different from trying to view it objectively whilst living it. I imagine that the likes of Villa and Everton fans live for their occasional cup runs rather than for turning up to see their side draw at home to Stoke in mid April to guarantee another season at the top table.

On that basis teams that stay in the premier would largely be considered as failing.

Would I rather have seen Coventry win the F A Cup as a championship club or retain top flight status year after year?

The latter every time.

Astute · Mar 16, 2015

ernieflag said:
Interesting to hear your views. I understand the theory on being happy to stay in the Premier League without tasting any success but I am not convinced that it would work in practice. I remember Oldham's three seasons in the top flight in the early 90s but whilst objectively I clearly wish we were still there, I am well aware that if we had spent the last 20 years finishing between 10th and 17th every season there would be plenty of people who would have lost interest and drifted away.

The nature of fans is such that they are never happy with what they have got. Looking at the prospect of mid table mediocrity in the Premier League whilst sat in the bottom half of League one is very different from trying to view it objectively whilst living it. I imagine that the likes of Villa and Everton fans live for their occasional cup runs rather than for turning up to see their side draw at home to Stoke in mid April to guarantee another season at the top table.

I saw some great players whilst we were in the top flight. Not many for our club but I still saw them play. I occasionally saw us beat the clubs with the best players. We had pride. We had some good times without winning anything. But what did the clubs bouncing around the lower reaches see?

fernandopartridge · Mar 16, 2015

It's a difficult one. I don't really believe there are many really top players in the PL now.

CCFC88 · Mar 16, 2015

Its that sense of pride you have when you wear a football shirt abroad or go to work in a different part of a country, people know your team because you play against Liverpool/United/Arsenal twice a season and that was something to be proud of 20-25 years ago,

I reccently started work in Birmingham and when I told people who I supported I was greeted by some genuine reactions of "Do you also support a big team?"

Surviving every year in the top flight was a success in my eyes, Id take those agonsisng 6-8 weeks of the season every year compared to what we have now!

Nick · Mar 16, 2015

dalycov said:
Its that sense of pride you have when you wear a football shirt abroad or go to work in a different part of a country, people know your team because you play against Liverpool/United/Arsenal twice a season and that was something to be proud of 20-25 years ago,

I reccently started work in Birmingham and when I told people who I supported I was greeted by some genuine reactions of "Do you also support a big team?"

Surviving every year in the top flight was a success in my eyes, Id take those agonsisng 6-8 weeks of the season every year compared to what we have now!

I think if people think that because somebody doesn't support a top flight team they must also support a big team it says more about them!

Astute · Mar 16, 2015

Nick said:
I think if people think that because somebody doesn't support a top flight team they must also support a big team it says more about them!

It is worse for me where I live. I get asked why Coventry......and they support a non league club

stupot07 · Mar 16, 2015

Being in the top flight for 34 years was a success.

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Houchens Head · Mar 16, 2015

When I go to watch my local team, Newport (IW) play, I'm surrounded by either Pompey or Southampton fans. I've mentioned to a handful that I'm a City fan and have been met with sympathetic comments. I think people in general know whats happened to our club and only wish us success for the future.

M&B Stand · Mar 16, 2015

Grendel said:
On that basis teams that stay in the premier would largely be considered as failing.

Would I rather have seen Coventry win the F A Cup as a championship club or retain top flight status year after year?

The latter every time.

I'd take the cup win and all that brings than being in the premier league with no chance of success. Each to their own I suppose.

bigfatronssba · Mar 16, 2015

ernieflag said:
Hi guys

Although the attached focuses on Oldham I thought you might find it quite interesting as it looks at the impact of long periods without success on a football club.

Coventry, Tranmere and Oldham stand out as 3 clubs who have not had success of any kind over the past 20 years. You win the award of the longest wait by 4 years but I think it leaves us all in a similar predicament (though I recognise that your stadium issues provide a whole new level from a Cov perspective).

I hope you find t of some interest

http://www.ernieflag.co.uk/site/index.php/bloggs/14-oldham-athletic/178-yearning-for-successi

You made the league 1 play offs as recently as 2007, what you complaining about

Such a thing is just a pipe dream to us.

shmmeee · Mar 16, 2015

It was awesome at the time, but to be honest (and maybe this is sour grapes talking) I don't really want us to be back in the Prem. Massive ticket prices, gotta virtually bankrupt the club to survive, no chance of success in the league.

I think I could get used to being a yoyo team or a upper half Championship team, that'd do for me.

Sky Blue Harry H · Mar 16, 2015

I just want to be part of an adrenalin filled crowd expecting us to deliver. Possibly the Keane, Hadji era had that, and certainly the Steve Hunt, Gillespie era did. It was a buzz and you wanted to be part of it. Anybody who can get this club moving in the right direction will win back the fans, who must miss that feeling as much as me (only get it now when I have had a few at away games and we are winning !!)

Loughborough Sky Blue · Mar 16, 2015

I had this same argument at work the other day with my boss (villa fan) and he said he would rather stay up than win the fa cup. I said I would definitely rather win the cup. In 20 years time would anyone be talking about the time they managed to get 40 points and finish 17th in the Premier league? We still have fond memories about 87, but rarely does anyone mention that time we stayed up.

it's the perfect example of sky and their money ruining football!

Como · Mar 17, 2015

I do remember two promotions but I agree with the comment a I've that staying up even though I can think of many occasions when that seemed unlikely was a plus all in itself.

Gazolba · Mar 17, 2015

ernieflag said:
Interesting to hear your views. I understand the theory on being happy to stay in the Premier League without tasting any success but I am not convinced that it would work in practice. I remember Oldham's three seasons in the top flight in the early 90s but whilst objectively I clearly wish we were still there, I am well aware that if we had spent the last 20 years finishing between 10th and 17th every season there would be plenty of people who would have lost interest and drifted away.

The nature of fans is such that they are never happy with what they have got. Looking at the prospect of mid table mediocrity in the Premier League whilst sat in the bottom half of League one is very different from trying to view it objectively whilst living it. I imagine that the likes of Villa and Everton fans live for their occasional cup runs rather than for turning up to see their side draw at home to Stoke in mid April to guarantee another season at the top table.

Imagine how boring it must be to be an Everton fan. Little hope of ever winning anything. Just living for the Liverpool derby each season.

ccfcway · Mar 17, 2015

Gazolba said:
Imagine how boring it must be to be an Everton fan. Little hope of ever winning anything. Just living for the Liverpool derby each season.

agreed, those bloody trips abroad every other week in the Europa cup, no wembley appearance in 5 years etc etc

jimmyhillsfanclub · Mar 17, 2015

I know its down to personal preference, but I simply do not understand those that would prefer to make up the numbers in the top flight as opposed to actually WINNING something.......especially those of us who are old enough to have enjoyed both.....

...I would swap all 34 years of our top flight spell for another FA Cup victory in a heartbeat........

You don't get 200000+ people partying on the streets & an open top bus tour of the city just for finishing 17th in a money orientated over-hyped league .......

[video=youtube;Sdnh25SUbNQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sdnh25SUbNQ[/video]

EDIT: Whoops...same post on 2 threads.....but its on topic for both....sorry folks.

bezzer · Mar 17, 2015

skybluesam66 said:
Grendel - even using that analogy the last 14 years have been dire

from around 1970 to 1990 the first division was such that any body could challenge and even win it - look at villa/forest/derby/Norwich/Ipswich/Southampton etc etc in those years

and not being in the top 6 post 1970 was an abysmal record
as is not being in the top 6 of either the championship or league 1 since

you go to matches to see your team be successful - FA cup apart - we have had 45 years of nothing but survival and the odd big result

I don't recall Norwich, Ipswich or Southampton winning the old First Division between 1970 and 1990.

skybluesam66 · Mar 17, 2015

bezzer said:
I don't recall Norwich, Ipswich or Southampton winning the old First Division between 1970 and 1990.

didnt win it - but were a lot more competitive that we have been in this stint in the 3rd division or our long stint in the 2nd division

bigfatronssba · Mar 17, 2015

bezzer said:
I don't recall Norwich, Ipswich or Southampton winning the old First Division between 1970 and 1990.

Record for each club (whilst in the top division) between 1970 & 1990:

Coventry City

Seasons in Div One 21
Average final Position 14th
Top 6 finishes 1
Major Trophy Wins 1
Finalists 0
Seasons in Europe 1

Norwich

Seasons in Div One 15
Average final Position 14th
Top 6 finishes 2
Major Trophy Wins 1
Finalists 2
Seasons in Europe 0

Ipswich

Seasons in Div One 17
Average final Position 9th
Top 6 finishes 9
Major Trophy Wins 2
Finalists 0
Seasons in Europe 9

Southampton

Seasons in Div One 17
Average final Position 11th
Top 6 finishes 3
Major Trophy Wins 1
Finalists 1
Seasons in Europe 5

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