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Nick

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  • Sep 26, 2016
  • #1
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...ation-england-manager-sam-allardyce-for-sale/
 
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Hadji10

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 26, 2016
  • #2
Yep, that's him sacked tomorrow.
 
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Terry Gibson's perm

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  • Sep 26, 2016
  • #3
Oops

He is right about the stadium though
 
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Pipehitterz

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  • Sep 27, 2016
  • #4
Ffs. Who's next in line for the second worst job in Football

No guesses allowed to figure out the worst
 
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SkyblueBazza

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 27, 2016
  • #5
Patriotism rules again eh?
1 journalist sets up an ego massage for someone high ranking who dances the 'Billy Big Bollocks' for them & is castigated & forever tarnished...to the detriment of the nation. In this case - like that of Hoddle...& let's face it they turned Venables into a hot potato too...all to the detriment of the nation's already very poor chance of achieving anything.

...onwards & upwards PUSB
 
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We'll_live_and_die

Super Moderator
  • Sep 27, 2016
  • #6
I thought the Papers were supposed to report news. This seems to be the Papers creating news.

It's taken CET many years to actually get involved with CCFC because they aren't supposed to be creating the news.
 

Johnnythespider

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  • Sep 27, 2016
  • #7
Does he not state throughout this meeting that he would have to run any deal past the F.A. Also when they mention paying players, managers and agents he tells them to shut up and not have that conversation while he is there. From what I have seen there is not enough here to sack him, and he doesn't come out of it too bad.

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olderskyblue

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  • Sep 27, 2016
  • #8
Haven't watched it, but wasn't his son caught in the same type of trap some time ago?
 
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martcov

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  • Sep 27, 2016
  • #9
Terry Gibson's perm said:
Oops

He is right about the stadium though
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Should have built it in Cov. Would have saved at least 500 million....
 
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duffer

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  • Sep 27, 2016
  • #10
martcov said:
Should have built it in Cov. Would have saved at least 500 million....
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Then we could have flogged it to Wasps when the FA wasn't looking.
 
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oucho

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  • Sep 27, 2016
  • #11
He won't get sacked. The FA are spineless and will find some pretext for backing him.
 
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SkyblueBazza

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  • Sep 27, 2016
  • #12
oucho said:
He won't get sacked. The FA are spineless and will find some pretext for backing him.
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Good. He fell for a deliberate set-up & attempt to discredit him & the FA. That appears to be his only 'crime'. This was done with scant regard for damage that may be caused to the national team.

...onwards & upwards PUSB
 

ccfcway

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  • Sep 27, 2016
  • #13
his comments on Roy and the team were fair

his comments on 3rd party ownership will be the bit that gets him in hot water
 

Terry Gibson's perm

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  • Sep 27, 2016
  • #14
He will be alright unless there is something severe to come
 

jimmyhillsfanclub

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  • Sep 27, 2016
  • #15
Still shows him up to be a dodgy greedy idiot though doesn't it......

...although I suppose we all knew that much already....
 
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SkyblueBazza

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  • Sep 27, 2016
  • #16
jimmyhillsfanclub said:
Still shows him up to be a dodgy greedy idiot though doesn't it......

...although I suppose we all knew that much already....
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Show us one that isn't - Wenger might be an exception but by & large they are just people - spot a mug with easy money on offer & most of us would jump in

...onwards & upwards PUSB
 

SkyBlue_Bear83

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  • Sep 27, 2016
  • #17
British media out to get the national team as usual, this was a 10 month con so I'm assuming they sat on the video and waited till now to do max damage.
 

CJ_covblaze

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  • Sep 27, 2016
  • #18
martcov said:
Should have built it in Cov. Would have saved at least 500 million....
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Or Star City. Anywhere in the Midlands would be better than where it is atm.
 

CJ_covblaze

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  • Sep 27, 2016
  • #19
SkyblueBazza said:
Show us one that isn't - Wenger might be an exception but by & large they are just people - spot a mug with easy money on offer & most of us would jump in

...onwards & upwards PUSB
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Why Wenger?
 
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SkyblueBazza

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  • Sep 27, 2016
  • #20
Singled him out as he has been in the game with a top club for so many years & I dont recall seeing anything relating to dodgy stuff with him directly involved beyond allegation

...onwards & upwards PUSB
 

CJ_covblaze

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  • Sep 27, 2016
  • #21
SkyblueBazza said:
Singled him out as he has been in the game with a top club for so many years & I dont recall seeing anything relating to dodgy stuff with him directly involved beyond allegation

...onwards & upwards PUSB
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Ah ok fair enough thought you were referring to him not going anywhere for money. He's one of, if not the highest paid manager in the world. Can't disagree. Biggest scandal he's been involved in is the inability to do up the zip on his jacket.
 

eastwoodsdustman

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  • Sep 27, 2016
  • #22
Johnnythespider said:
Does he not state throughout this meeting that he would have to run any deal past the F.A. Also when they mention paying players, managers and agents he tells them to shut up and not have that conversation while he is there. From what I have seen there is not enough here to sack him, and he doesn't come out of it too bad.

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Exactly how I saw it. . A Non story from what I've seen so far.
 
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oucho

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  • Sep 27, 2016
  • #23
Sky reporting that the Telegraph may have more revelations to come tomorrow. FA have met him and sent him away, apparently they are in talks now to decide whether to sack him off or not. They might wait until they see tomorrow's headlines first. Don't want to back him tonight only for more stuff to come out overnight then feel forced into sacking him.
 

Nick

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  • Sep 27, 2016
  • #24
You would think the FA would ask the Telegraph, rather than sit and wait for the paper to come out surely?
 
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SkyBlue_Bear83

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  • Sep 27, 2016
  • #25
The more I read, the more it looks like a mountain out of a molehill. Media are loving it, talksport coming down hard on Allardyce and pushing for his sacking.

I'll be massively disappointed if he is sacked, not because I think he is a great manager but its starting to feel like a media witch hunt.
 

SkyBlue_Bear83

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  • Sep 27, 2016
  • #26
Looks to me as if reporters went fishing for a story/scandal. Allardyce didn't really give them much to go in and so they are sensationalising a couple of quotes.
 

Johnnythespider

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  • Sep 27, 2016
  • #27
What is it about the media these days, they seem to blow everything up into a shitstorm and wait for the world and his wife to start wetting their pants over it. There is no balanced reporting these days only sensationalism created by the media themselves in order to claim some "exclusive", I blame the move to digital copy and the need for clicks, is there anyone out there providing balance, if so can somebody steer me in the right direction.

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chiefdave

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  • Sep 27, 2016
  • #28
What has he actually done that's broken any rules / laws? Obviously it makes him look an idiot and its not the way you'd want your national manager acting but if you're taking about sacking someone it would need to be fair otherwise there will be a nice big compo claim.
 

Captain Dart

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  • Sep 27, 2016
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SkyBlue_Bear83

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  • Sep 27, 2016
  • #30
Basically all he's said with regards to to third party ownership, is that you can't do third party ownership anymore. He's saying you employ the agent, and then you get a cut of the agents fee every time the agents client is transferred or signs a new contract. It's not even a loophole as such, its just another way for people to make money.

I'm not clued up on agents in football but is this not normal practice anyway? Not all football agents are self employed are they? A lot of agents would work on behalf of a company wouldn't they?
 

chiefdave

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  • Sep 27, 2016
  • #31
SkyBlue_Bear83 said:
I'm not clued up on agents in football but is this not normal practice anyway? Not all football agents are self employed are they? A lot of agents would work on behalf of a company wouldn't they?
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Interesting point. If you run an agency employing 10 agents how is that different from employing one agent?

That's not what I would have thought third party ownership was anyway. I thought that was more along the lines of someone funding a transfer, so say someone giving us the money to buy Jones, but they get the profit when he is sold on.
 

SkyBlue_Bear83

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  • Sep 27, 2016
  • #32
chiefdave said:
Interesting point. If you run an agency employing 10 agents how is that different from employing one agent?

That's not what I would have thought third party ownership was anyway. I thought that was more along the lines of someone funding a transfer, so say someone giving us the money to buy Jones, but they get the profit when he is sold on.
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That is what third party ownership is, its banned now in the UK. Allardyce even says in the video you can't do that now.

He says the way around it is to employ the agent, and then every time the agents client is transferred or signs a new deal you get a cut of the agents fee instead of a cut of the transfer fee which you would in a third party ownership arrangement. He says with the value of player contracts now its still big money. Its not a way around third party ownership as such, its a way around making money and profiting from player transfers.

Like I say, the more I look at it. It doesn't even seem dodgy, all legit and above board but just greedy. The press just constantly report that allardyce advises on how to get around third party ownership and it gets repeated and headlined until it becomes fact.
 

SkyBlue_Bear83

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  • Sep 27, 2016
  • #33
Apparently Allardyce gone now, very sad.
 

Johnnythespider

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  • Sep 27, 2016
  • #34
Offered his resignation apparently

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SkyBlue_Bear83

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  • Sep 27, 2016
  • #35
I hope we lose to Malta and fail to qualify for Russia.
 
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