Yeah. Too long out of the game. He would have to start at a much lower level.hasn't been a manager for about 10 years.
completely deluded if he thinks he'll get back in at Championship level.
we were a large club.............. never massive............. and by what definition are we even a medium sized club now? Seems the only definition is "potential" to attract a significant number of fans sometimes
Not this old line again! Lets be honest as football clubs go the bigger the support base the bigger the club, no matter what league you are in or the hard times befallen you.
Leeds are a truly massive club and Villa = both in the second tier. Sheff.Utd and Coventry are big clubs both in the 3rd tier. Crystal Palace and Burnley are smaller clubs both in the top tier. Then there's little old Bournemouth - what the hell are they doing in the top tier?
It's just perspective and has nothing to do with performances in the long term. Blackpool for example, small club but are now probably where they would be expected to reside. The hurt for Coventry is we are not expected to reside where we are now.
We all know that try telling our owners who have destroyed this club, have no ambition and do not value whatsoever the massive potential this club could have in the hands of the right ownersDont know if anyone heard the Danny Baker show yesterday on BBC 5 live?
He had Alan Curbishley on as his guest and at one point Danny asked why he wasnt still in management and would he want back in.
"Oh yes definitely but I think people in charge have probably forgotten me" says Alan
"Why dont you get involved with a club like Coventry - a massive club - you could go in and turn it around and bring them up riding on a Golden Chariot - like a Phoenix from the ashes" says Danny
"Yes they are a Massive club - Massive - but Ive managed over 800 games in the Premier League & Championship and thats the level I would be interested in" says Alan
He was a fantastic guest and it just proved to me that we are not alone in thinking that Coventry could still be and are a potentially "Massive Club"
Awful lot of our "fan base" are saying they are walking away from regular attendance next season so what exactly is the size of our "fan base". The fan base fluctuates with the fortunes of the team it is not a fixed thing. Currently it is, and has been for some time, in steep decline. There is no guarantee it will recover.
As far as I can see our average attendance is currently 8th in League One and better than only Burton in the divisions above. That currently puts us 52nd out of 92 teams in the four divisions. Closely followed by Oxford Plymouth Luton and Bristol Rovers!
Little old Bournemouth are looking to have a bigger ground to accommodate the fan base they have because they cant get everyone in. Crystal Palace and Burnley average over 20,000 per game. Currently all three are bigger than CCFC by any measure that can be proven. All have more ground security, stability and a bigger pot to piss in
Sorry but what you put forward is expectation based on a CCFC fans view of history.
Heard this on the radio. Thought he was very dismissive when asked about the challenge that managing CCFC presents and moved very quickly onto his hopes for managing in the Premier League or Championship. Though after 8 years out of management, doesn't look like the offers at that level have been flooding in.So he will continue to be out of work then as nobody wants him at that level he is now a forgotten man.
Heard this on the radio. Thought he was very dismissive when asked about the challenge that managing CCFC presents and moved very quickly onto his hopes for managing in the Premier League or Championship. Though after 8 years out of management, doesn't look like the offers at that level have been flooding in.
Awful lot of our "fan base" are saying they are walking away from regular attendance next season so what exactly is the size of our "fan base". The fan base fluctuates with the fortunes of the team it is not a fixed thing. Currently it is, and has been for some time, in steep decline. There is no guarantee it will recover.
As far as I can see our average attendance is currently 8th in League One and better than only Burton in the divisions above. That currently puts us 52nd out of 92 teams in the four divisions. Closely followed by Oxford Plymouth Luton and Bristol Rovers!
Little old Bournemouth are looking to have a bigger ground to accommodate the fan base they have because they cant get everyone in. Crystal Palace and Burnley average over 20,000 per game. Currently all three are bigger than CCFC by any measure that can be proven. All have more ground security, stability and a bigger pot to piss in
Sorry but what you put forward is expectation based on a CCFC fans view of history.
For sure TGP, currently not a CV enhancer for any Manager with this rabble in charge.He knows that he couldn't make a success of it with this lot in charge.
But I'm not focusing on attendance based on league position as the measuring stick.
Bournemouth want to move to accommodate 20k. Crystal Palace would be drawing fewer than us if we swapped places.
No its about the growth of towns and cities in our country and the working class support at the grass roots of the game, particularly in the industrial regions.
The measure of a clubs size is the potential or expectation of support, given success on the pitch bearing in mind the factors I just mentioned.
If CCFC were in the premiership we would be pushing hard on 30k regular crowds, something the likes of Bournemouth will never do.
I guess its all down to opinion to how you wish to measure a football clubs size by. In these more recent modern times why else would we and the country as a whole remain so horrified at what has happened to CCFC? Because on measure we are a bigger club than many that are enjoying better times than us, and it only goes to prove what an absolute shambles we have become. I feel sorry for anyone born in the last 15 years as they have not had the opportunity to discover anything but second rate at CCFC. There are others with sad stories, Leeds, Sheff.Wed and others still fighting to get back to the promise land but that does not diminish the size of their football clubs.
But I'm not focusing on attendance based on league position as the measuring stick.
Bournemouth want to move to accommodate 20k. Crystal Palace would be drawing fewer than us if we swapped places.
No its about the growth of towns and cities in our country and the working class support at the grass roots of the game, particularly in the industrial regions.
The measure of a clubs size is the potential or expectation of support, given success on the pitch bearing in mind the factors I just mentioned.
If CCFC were in the premiership we would be pushing hard on 30k regular crowds, something the likes of Bournemouth will never do.
I guess its all down to opinion to how you wish to measure a football clubs size by. In these more recent modern times why else would we and the country as a whole remain so horrified at what has happened to CCFC? Because on measure we are a bigger club than many that are enjoying better times than us, and it only goes to prove what an absolute shambles we have become. I feel sorry for anyone born in the last 15 years as they have not had the opportunity to discover anything but second rate at CCFC. There are others with sad stories, Leeds, Sheff.Wed and others still fighting to get back to the promise land but that does not diminish the size of their football clubs.
Just to be contrary if the argument to get to premiership holds then so too the reverse in achieving league 2. Doesn't matter if we are a big club in league 2 we will have lost fans, got smaller, damaged potential and increased the cost of recovery to fulfilling this big club potential, making it less likely we can.
As results, league position are hit then so too are the crowds, interest and potential especially when there is nowhere to call home and no structure. ...... The direction of travel of this club is downward and smaller, the ambition of premiership is a distant memory...... The potential as it stands under the current owners is for the foreseeable future to get smaller...... there is nothing to say new owners or the present ones can change that and the further we fall the harder the task.... that's the more likely reality isn't it and not the grandeur of exchanging places with supposedly inferior but achieving clubs.
Potential is useless unless it is harnessed and this club hasn't done that in nigh on 50 years. Even winning the FA cup and being in the top division saw no great potential harnessed. League position and averages of attendance are important because they are the building blocks or the wrecking ball of potential .... they can not be dismissed as an indication as to size. But then neither can earning potential, history, tradition and statistical facts
If we went out of business in league 2 there will be a few interested articles for a week or two but reality will be a fallen league 2 team going out of business. There will not be a great outcry across the nation. The reason I push these points is because I feel that some Ccfc fans need a reality check as to what and where we are. Saying we are big club actually doesn't help or address what we need to do... It hinders
So basically there is no measure of club size other than a person's opinion and bias. It's a pointless argument. I don't care how big we are, I care that we are still here
If we played Bournmouth in the premier league and it was on a Monday night sky special we'd get nowhere near 30,000 - sub Bournmouth for Palace, Burnley, Watford etc.
Not this old line again! Lets be honest as football clubs go the bigger the support base the bigger the club, no matter what league you are in or the hard times befallen you.
Leeds are a truly massive club and Villa = both in the second tier. Sheff.Utd and Coventry are big clubs both in the 3rd tier. Crystal Palace and Burnley are smaller clubs both in the top tier. Then there's little old Bournemouth - what the hell are they doing in the top tier?
It's just perspectiveBlackpool for example, small club but are now probably where they would be expected to reside. The hurt for Coventry is we are not expected to reside where we are now.
I suppose massive could mean that there is the potential for massive growth in the current average gate but it's only because we'd be starting from an increasingly lower base. To fill the Ricoh we're looking at a 250-300% increase in average numbers through the gate!Are we a potentially massive club? It would be nice to think we were . We could be potentially small club just as likely, but I would say on balance we have a greater potential for the foreseeable future to be a club that stagnated and simply struggles to achieve a low level existence. I simply do not see us as massive potentially or otherwise - massive in this instance, it's a typical football misuse of queens english
Blackpool - yes tiny club. Have spent 6 years less than us in the top flight. Oh but have been runners up and had 4 top 6 finishes. Had 4 players in the England team at the same time as well.
When you mention Burnley is that the same Burnley that have been champions twice and European cup quarter finalists.
Palace? Third in the top flight in the 90's - all smaller than us of course.
Are we a potentially massive club? It would be nice to think we were . We could be potentially small club just as likely, but I would say on balance we have a greater potential for the foreseeable future to be a club that stagnated and simply struggles to achieve a low level existence. I simply do not see us as massive potentially or otherwise - massive in this instance, it's a typical football misuse of queens english
Historic comparisons Grendel. I'm looking at the modern era which is far more relatable.
Using your analogy Britain would still be the most powerful nation on earth.
Most will understand where I'm coming from and not just want to pick holes in every comment.
That really depends on whether we've been hanging around the bottom for 10 years , which was generally the norm for us in the premier league. All three of those clubs have not been in the prem for that long. Their supporters are still feeding off the novelty of top flight football. Bournemouth is hard to gauge particularly. Palace have been comfortable until this season, so their season tickets are based on last season's form. As for Watford, are they really a bigger club than us ? I think if you put us in the premier league with different owners and a similar run of form over 5 years as these clubs then Palace are the only club that might run us close.If we played Bournmouth in the premier league and it was on a Monday night sky special we'd get nowhere near 30,000 - sub Bournmouth for Palace, Burnley, Watford etc.
That's right. We have the "potential" (as always) to attract a lot of supporters given the right investment in the club/team from an owner. When I think of "massive" we are not Sheffield United, punching below their weight for a long time now but attracting large crowds around 20,000 and more since being in this division.We've never been a massive club.
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And Billy Wright is still England captain,...........yawn yawn yawn .you have spoken againBlackpool - yes tiny club. Have spent 6 years less than us in the top flight. Oh but have been runners up and had 4 top 6 finishes. Had 4 players in the England team at the same time as well.
When you mention Burnley is that the same Burnley that have been champions twice and European cup quarter finalists.
Palace? Third in the top flight in the 90's - all smaller than us of course.
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