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Ainsworth Explains: Land Around The Ricoh (9 Viewers)

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  • Start date Nov 19, 2013
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fernandopartridge

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  • Nov 19, 2013
  • #36
What does everyone think would be feasible to build on the piece of land designated as leisure? Taking into account what's already available in Coventry and the space available.
 

hill83

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  • Nov 19, 2013
  • #37
fernandopartridge said:
What does everyone think would be feasible to build on the piece of land designated as leisure? Taking into account what's already available in Coventry and the space available.
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An integrated go-kart/paintball/laserquest/80's bar.
 

bigfatronssba

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  • Nov 19, 2013
  • #38
Ashdown1 said:
Where does the river run then, I take it that it must go underground?
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It runs behind the leeks estate and then behind the scrap yards. It goes underground under the train line and canal but that's it. Goes off towards longford park then.
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Nov 19, 2013
  • #39
hill83 said:
An integrated go-kart/paintball/laserquest/80's bar.
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Sounds alright that.
 

sky blue john

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  • Nov 19, 2013
  • #40
If we are doing requests....
How about a Hooters bar ?
 

olderskyblue

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  • Nov 19, 2013
  • #41
hill83 said:
An integrated go-kart/paintball/laserquest/80's bar.
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A new training ground and academy, with a nando's and a pub?
 

Senior Vick from Alicante

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  • Nov 19, 2013
  • #42
Surely the price for this ground will be determined by what you can do with it. In Bobs photo the ground is defined as leisure land, if you search on line this title limits what can be built on the land to Cinemas, bowling alleys, theatres and the kind of stuff the city already has. Too bring urban regeneration to that part of the city, which was one of the things being touted around previously, you would have to get a change of use so you could build a shopping village for instance. Trouble with this saga is people only release snippets of information to the general public that they deem appropriate to further their own argument, until all facts are freely available everything is pure conjecture. Any potential purchaser of the Ricoh has a wonderful facility at their disposal that needs to be maximised before you even think of doing potential deals for surrounding land, SISU in this instance probably had the right idea in doing a licence agreement with a company that already runs arenas profitably.
The real urgency is to get the football club based back in Coventry at the Ricoh and not in Northampton. Developing that piece of land on the side is not going to be the thing that gets SISU their 40 million back, a thriving concert venue with other facilities and a business with a book full of concerts and other events would go a long way too. NOPM
 

bigfatronssba

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  • Nov 19, 2013
  • #43
Artificial ski slope was one of the better ideas going round I thought.
 
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Ashdown1

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  • Nov 19, 2013
  • #44
The main users of the 'development' would obviously be shoppers and Arena Park for its popularity is lacking a pub/restaurant. A 'Hooters' or a 'Harvester' type place would more likely be the type of place that could benefit from the location. It would also make a bomb on match days if we ever get back to that as long as they built in a sizable bar area. The ones at both Doncaster and Stoke City do a roaring trade.
 
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dadgad

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  • Nov 19, 2013
  • #45
How about a pie factory?
 

bigfatronssba

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  • Nov 19, 2013
  • #46
Ashdown1 said:
The main users of the 'development' would obviously be shoppers and Arena Park for its popularity is lacking a pub/restaurant. A 'Hooters' or a 'Harvester' type place would more likely be the type of place that could benefit from the location. It would also make a bomb on match days if we ever get back to that as long as they built in a sizable bar area. The ones at both Doncaster and Stoke City do a roaring trade.
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There is a Frankie and Bennys opening soon up there, just on the left as you come in. Also a Chiquito (whatever that is) restaurant.
 

ccfcway

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  • Nov 19, 2013
  • #47
bigfatronssba said:
Artificial ski slope was one of the better ideas going round I thought.
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bloody hell, can our problems go downhill any more ?
 

James Smith

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  • Nov 19, 2013
  • #48
Whilst looking at Google maps and the land surrounding the Ricoh I noticed you can walk around inside using the streetview stuff. I've seen vast bits of the Ricoh I never knew existed (until recently)!

https://maps.google.com/maps?q=rico...=gFOLUrTWD8irhAeYhoH4Dg&sqi=2&ved=0CAgQ_AUoAg and click the picture on the left which says look inside.
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Nov 19, 2013
  • #49
Ashdown1 said:
The main users of the 'development' would obviously be shoppers and Arena Park for its popularity is lacking a pub/restaurant. A 'Hooters' or a 'Harvester' type place would more likely be the type of place that could benefit from the location. It would also make a bomb on match days if we ever get back to that as long as they built in a sizable bar area. The ones at both Doncaster and Stoke City do a roaring trade.
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Hooters would be good, especially for the council that vowed to shut down the city's only gentlemans' club.
 

James Smith

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  • Nov 19, 2013
  • #50
Sadly you can't see the dressing rooms or anything like that but I've never seen anything on the lower ground floor apart from the casino.
 
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The Gentleman

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  • Nov 19, 2013
  • #51
fernandopartridge said:
Au contraire. It's worth as much as the market will pay. Can't see a long list of bidders, can you?
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Recently when I have been out on sites, when talking to the project managers or gaffers, at least three builders have said they would try and get the land should it become available. Especially due to the recent upturn in the economic climate and the need to get in quick should things get even better which may push the price up further. Despite some of the surrounding area being a shithole, some of what is there makes it an investment opportunity so if it did become available, expect a bit more interest than what we all see now. Too much interest now would just push the price right up.
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Nov 19, 2013
  • #52
edgy said:
Plenty of room for SISU's prison, toxic waste storage facility and chemical weapon plant once they get their hands on the Ricoh.
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hahaha!!
 

ajsccfc

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 19, 2013
  • #53
I got lost on the way to the pitch and found the bar instead. I'm Gary McSheffrey and I claim my gift voucher.
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Nov 19, 2013
  • #54
The Gentleman said:
Recently when I have been out on sites, when talking to the project managers or gaffers, at least three builders have said they would try and get the land should it become available. Especially due to the recent upturn in the economic climate and the need to get in quick should things get even better which may push the price up further. Despite some of the surrounding area being a shithole, some of what is there makes it an investment opportunity so if it did become available, expect a bit more interest than what we all see now. Too much interest now would just push the price right up.
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It is not available at the minute? What's stopping them apart from a council who was wedded the land to the Arena?
 
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No future with SISU

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  • Nov 19, 2013
  • #55
fernandopartridge said:
Au contraire. It's worth as much as the market will pay. Can't see a long list of bidders, can you?
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Tescos have been trying to buy that leisure land of the council for the last few years, i do not think they will be outbid by SISU for it and as they have Billions the market value will be high for that piece of land.
 
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No future with SISU

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  • Nov 19, 2013
  • #56
Grendel said:
The market value has nothing to do with how desparate the current owner is to sell unless there are a queue of buyers banging on the door - which there isn't.
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Tesco want to buy it, do you think sisu can out bid them( the leisure land)
 

lordsummerisle

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  • Nov 19, 2013
  • #57
No future with SISU said:
Tesco want to buy it, do you think sisu can out bid them( the leisure land)
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Tesco Value Bingo Hall?
 
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No future with SISU

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  • Nov 19, 2013
  • #58
shy_tall_knight said:
I'm no expert on this but a piece of land with a canal to one side and a railway track to the other with restricted road access may not have as much value as Big Bob thinks.
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Who is sitting next to it, that land is worth a lot of money to tesco and is the reason the council is hanging on to it as it is going up in value.
 
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The Gentleman

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  • Nov 19, 2013
  • #59
fernandopartridge said:
It is not available at the minute? What's stopping them apart from a council who was wedded the land to the Arena?
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It's all about money at the end of the day. They will probably sell when the time is right and the offer is what they are looking for. There are people out there who will pay more than Sisu will offer and still make money.
 
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No future with SISU

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  • Nov 19, 2013
  • #60
fernandopartridge said:
Bridge from where? Think about its access points
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Their is all ready access in to that land look at the map and use street view
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Nov 19, 2013
  • #61
No future with SISU said:
Tescos have been trying to buy that leisure land of the council for the last few years, i do not think they will be outbid by SISU for it and as they have Billions the market value will be high for that piece of land.
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What did Tesco want it for?
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Nov 19, 2013
  • #62
The Gentleman said:
There are people out there who will pay more than Sisu will offer and still make money.
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That's a given, but who are they? What would they build there?
 
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No future with SISU

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  • Nov 19, 2013
  • #63
lordsummerisle said:
Tesco Value Bingo Hall?
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A bigger shopping center, would you go if it was a tesco finest bingo hall?
 
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No future with SISU

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  • Nov 19, 2013
  • #64
fernandopartridge said:
That's a given, but who are they? What would they build there?
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Fast food outlets, bigger shopping center
 
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No future with SISU

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  • Nov 19, 2013
  • #65
fernandopartridge said:
What did Tesco want it for?
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More car parking and a bigger shopping center or their land bank.(they own land all over the country)
 
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SonOfSnoz

New Member
  • Nov 19, 2013
  • #66
No doubt Ann & Joy are discussing this!
Why should CCFC do what the council is meant to do though?
CCFC Is a football club not local government!
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Nov 19, 2013
  • #67
No future with SISU said:
More car parking and a bigger shopping center or their land bank.(they own land all over the country)
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How would they extend their existing shopping centre to this new piece of land?
 

duffer

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  • Nov 19, 2013
  • #68
shy_tall_knight said:
I'm no expert on this but a piece of land with a canal to one side and a railway track to the other with restricted road access may not have as much value as Big Bob thinks.
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In what way is the road access restricted? There's a bit of road there that links directly to the A444 - the same bit of road that seems to adequately serve the Arena shopping complex.

I think Ainsworth's point is well made, personally. There's a lot of well-connected land there, and a fair amount of value to it. The council have a duty to maximise the return to the taxpayer. That might be by selling to SISU, it might be by selling to someone else, it might be by delaying selling until conditions are better, or it might be by not selling at all.

The council didn't move the club away from the Ricoh - the owners made that choice. It's not, imho, for the council to give the site away on the cheap to get the club back. I'd guess that's the point that Ainsworth is trying to make.
 
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SonOfSnoz

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  • Nov 19, 2013
  • #69
Love the idea of Joy building new Sisu stadium right next to Ricoh can't get any closer!
#chuckle
 
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No future with SISU

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  • Nov 19, 2013
  • #70
fernandopartridge said:
How would they extend their existing shopping centre to this new piece of land?
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Have you looked at the map it is next to the shopping center
 
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